I can’t disagree that he is not getting very high on most of the dunks but he’s 5’ 9" so he has to be getting over 30" off the ground. He got way up on the second to last where he 360’s over a guy in a chair. His elbow is rim level at his highest point. I don’t think it would be out of the question that he had a legit 40" 10+ years ago if he can get that high now.
Have you noticed how Kadour Ziani is always jumping off one foot, its incredible. Power hoppers like Nate Robinson and Demetrius Mitchell jump off two feet. They are both impressive, but the amount of height and speed someone like Ziani gets when they jump off on foot is nuts. Like a gazelle.
Ziani is getting way up there. Massive elevation.
What can you say?
“sciencewolverine” -
If someone was to come from averagejoe, or couch potatoe status and train himself to a 35" or higher vertical, is he still an average joe? HELL NO!
That took alot of time and perseverence.
Its going to be easier for someone to pull it off if they are “around” people already getting up there.
And its going to require alot more time than one summer!
You think a 500LB raw bencher did it sitting on his ass, eating chips and watching life go by?
It took TIME and he head to go thru 450LB first, and before that 400LB and befor that 350LB and before that 300LB.
I think with perseverence and hard work, alot of people who convince themself they are an average joe can tune themself into a well built machine.
An over 30" vertical is going to be possible but going to require alot of time and hard work, and by that time you will have acquired improved coordination and timing of application of power. At this point, you are not a sitting on the couch, eating a bag of chips average joe!
[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
rackrecker wrote:
You might want to check out draftexpress.com. Among other things they catalog all the measurements that are taken at predraft camps for the NBA, including vert. I don’t think you find anything close to 50".
Yeah, I actually looked at the one for this past year. I believe Afflalo was the highest at like 37" or so?
One thing that was interesting to see was that the NFL combine had a lot of higher vert numbers, but the NBA guys are going super high off the run up. They measure vert off the run at the NBA combines and it isn’t uncommon to see an 8" difference between standing vert and running vert.
Guess that’s the demands of the sport though, NFL is more stop-and-start explosive strength while the NBA is more of that reflexive 1-leg jumping. Also if you just look at the builds you can see how it would be true; a NFL player is way heavier on average than an NBA player and way stronger, so most of them are probably 2-leg strength-dominant jumpers while the skinnier NBA guys rely more on plyometric ability and are predominantly 1-foot jumpers, especially the younger guys who haven’t had a lot of time in a strength program.
Michael Jordan is a perfect example of this; he was mainly a 1-leg jumper in college and his early pro years, but as he got stronger and heavier, he started shifting more to a 2-leg style.
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NBA combine VJ numbers are measured with a step, so the real standing VJ is even lower…at least 2 inches depending on the person though
Nate Robinson probbaly has the highest standing VJ in the NBA now, his combine measured one step jump was around 43 inches. He used to be a football player and track athlete though… 
this guy isn’t even all that great of a leaper in my opinion, theres guys at my highschool who can do that.
[quote]CoolColJ wrote:
NBA combine VJ numbers are measured with a step, so the real standing VJ is even lower…at least 2 inches depending on the person though
Nate Robinson probbaly has the highest standing VJ in the NBA now, his combine measured one step jump was around 43 inches. He used to be a football player and track athlete though… :)[/quote]
Haha, should have known a vert discussion would bring CoolColJ out of lurking Where is it you’re posting regularly now? I know you mentioned it here WAY back, but I’ve lost my bookmarks since then :S
-Dan
[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
rackrecker wrote:
I really don’t think I’ve seen anything over 35-40 inches.
That’s another big thing. Most people don’t realize how ridiuclously high a 40" vert is. I can do some nice dunks (2-leg 2-hand from outside the key, fairly weak 360s and windmills), and my standing vert is a legit (measuring 1-handed reach as high as I can) 31" or so. A true, standing 40" vert is extremely rare- olympic level athleticism.[/quote]
Jtrinsey is right. I’m 5’10 180-ish. I put up a 35" from a standstill and a 41.5 off of 3 steps and people think I can FLY. A true 40 from a standstill is about as rare as a green eyed chinese girl.
[quote]titopuente wrote:
Have you noticed how Kadour Ziani is always jumping off one foot, its incredible. Power hoppers like Nate Robinson and Demetrius Mitchell jump off two feet. They are both impressive, but the amount of height and speed someone like Ziani gets when they jump off on foot is nuts. Like a gazelle.[/quote]
Nate robinson is 5’9 if hes lucky and hes generally dunking on people twice his size and weight…Ziani is 5’11 or 6? and has a running start at least in the videos shown…id have to say that as tight as zianis dunks are I find it a little more amazing when someone whos 5’9 goes up and does the same things.
Dunno if the guy from oakland has a 50 inch vert but he does have an amazing ability to pull his legs up like he did ove the car.
Kadour Ziani is 179 cm, which is 5 feet 8 inches. His hops seem like they are so much more natural than Nate Robinson, mostly because he is jumping off of one foot.
When I was just playing basketball and not lifting, I would jump off one foot from the run, but as I developed more power squatting and olympic lifting, two feet jumps became easier. For 5 foot 8 to kick the rim is phenomenal.
[quote]titopuente wrote:
Kadour Ziani is 179 cm, which is 5 feet 8 inches. His hops seem like they are so much more natural than Nate Robinson, mostly because he is jumping off of one foot.
When I was just playing basketball and not lifting, I would jump off one foot from the run, but as I developed more power squatting and olympic lifting, two feet jumps became easier. For 5 foot 8 to kick the rim is phenomenal.[/quote]
Minor correction, 179 cm is between 5’10" and 5’11".
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Haha, should have known a vert discussion would bring CoolColJ out of lurking Where is it you’re posting regularly now? I know you mentioned it here WAY back, but I’ve lost my bookmarks since then :S
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mostly at the DBhammer forum, I lurk everywhere else
as far as genetic freaks go, Hook Mitchell is ok, but for me
Giovanno “The Alleyvator” Soenotaroeno is the man. A 5’7" Dutch guy who can touch 11 feet with some forward lean has some serious hops!
He says he first dunked at 5’3" at 15 y.o! Has won many dunk comps. Peak running VJ, was 46-50, now at 26 years old more like 41-47 inches according to him.
I doubt many can train to get to this level, but some have like our SquatDR
Your gonna have to gain some serious strength levels like he has (600lb fullsquat, 380lb powerclean at 200lbs), while keeping your bodyweight down. So you pretty much need top level Olylifter, thrower type genetic makeup as far as the CNS firing speeds go, and the right structure.
I’m plugging away at it myself…
If your calves are bigger than your forearms you’ll never be a good dunker.
wtf calves thicker than forearms thats crap. the hook never had a 40 much less 50 inch vertical. look… the older stuff in the clip shows his head is nowhere near the rim. he is a good dunker though, but ruined his life over bullshit. ballers running around bragging about their jumps but they don’t know what it means to have a 40 inch vj.