[quote]pumped340 wrote:
None of those videos were L-laterals
Celtics it sounds like your video is saying “venusaur” lol [/quote]
The skip laterals were pretty much the L-laterals I was talking about. There’s variation of course, some people start the movement straight-armed, like Skip, and some start it in the L position. Personally I don’t think it makes that much of a difference.
Here’s another way:
Don’t really know what the guy is saying, it was muted since I’m listening to Motorhead, haha. Movement is right though.
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
None of those videos were L-laterals
Celtics it sounds like your video is saying “venusaur” lol [/quote]
The skip laterals were pretty much the L-laterals I was talking about. There’s variation of course, some people start the movement straight-armed, like Skip, and some start it in the L position. Personally I don’t think it makes that much of a difference.
Here’s another way:
Don’t really know what the guy is saying, it was muted since I’m listening to Motorhead, haha. Movement is right though.[/quote]
Oh. I have done them that way for years and never called them any different name than side laterals. I will also say that the heavier you go, the more that bend in the arm can help control the weight used.
I thought you all were referring to doing them laying on your side like in that vid someone posted.
This is a great thread. I got some good ideas to try out from Stu and Akuma. I really can feel what Bonez and others have said about the rotation of the arm and leading properly with the elbows. \
I never knew laterals had so many names either.
Professor X, nice hat. First time I’ve seen the new avatar. I’ll be sure to eat a hamburger on shoulder day.
Let me clarify that I never bend my arms that much (never some strict 90 degrees like that guy in the vid) nor would I perform my reps like that. If you ever see Ronnie do laterals, that is more like the way I’ve done them before. I don’t do dumbbell laterals much anymore because doing them means I have to scale back my biceps training. The heavier you go, the more stress is placed on the lower arm and elbow…which does nothing to aid in the growth of your shoulders. That is WHY your arms are bent a little the heavier you go, to take them further out of the equation.
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
None of those videos were L-laterals
Celtics it sounds like your video is saying “venusaur” lol [/quote]
The skip laterals were pretty much the L-laterals I was talking about. There’s variation of course, some people start the movement straight-armed, like Skip, and some start it in the L position. Personally I don’t think it makes that much of a difference.
Here’s another way:
Don’t really know what the guy is saying, it was muted since I’m listening to Motorhead, haha. Movement is right though.[/quote]
Oh. I have done them that way for years and never called them any different name than side laterals. I will also say that the heavier you go, the more that bend in the arm can help control the weight used.
I thought you all were referring to doing them laying on your side like in that vid someone posted.[/quote]
I agree on the laying side raise. It seems that a lot of the movement is not even done against gravity.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Let me clarify that I never hamburger my arms that much (never some strict 90 hamburgers like that guy in the vid) nor would I perform my hamburger like that. If you ever see hamburger do laterals, that is more like the way I’ve done them before. I don’t do hamburger laterals much anymore because doing them means I have to scale back my hamburger training. The heavier you go, the more hamburger is placed on the lower arm and elbow…which does nothing to aid in the growth of your hamburger. That is WHY your arms are bent a little the heavier you go, to take them further out of the hamburger.[/quote]
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Let me clarify that I never bend my arms that much (never some strict 90 degrees like that guy in the vid) nor would I perform my reps like that. If you ever see Ronnie do laterals, that is more like the way I’ve done them before. I don’t do dumbbell laterals much anymore because doing them means I have to scale back my biceps training. The heavier you go, the more stress is placed on the lower arm and elbow…which does nothing to aid in the growth of your shoulders. That is WHY your arms are bent a little the heavier you go, to take them further out of the equation.[/quote]
I agree which is why I don’t really do them anymore. I’ve heard a lot of good things about lateral raise machines, with the pads on the sides, but I don’t have access to one.
[quote]forbes wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Let me clarify that I never hamburger my arms that much (never some strict 90 hamburgers like that guy in the vid) nor would I perform my hamburger like that. If you ever see hamburger do laterals, that is more like the way I’ve done them before. I don’t do hamburger laterals much anymore because doing them means I have to scale back my hamburger training. The heavier you go, the more hamburger is placed on the lower arm and elbow…which does nothing to aid in the growth of your hamburger. That is WHY your arms are bent a little the heavier you go, to take them further out of the hamburger.[/quote]
Fixed that for ya.[/quote]
Lmao, I was thinking it was going to be try hard but I lol’d
[quote]Mikeee wrote:
I think a few ppl (bonez) mentioned “leading with the elbows”, what exactly do you guys mean? You mean how jay does it in the vid posted?[/quote]
Basically it means that when you raise up the dumbbell, your hands should never be higher than your elbows. When you get to the finish position of the lateral raise where the humerus is perpendicular to your torso, the weight should be on the same horizontal plane as your elbow to ensure that you’re properly targeting the medial deltoid. If you let your arm externally rotate as you’re coming up with the dumbbells (cable, whatever) then you’re bringing in the anterior deltoid more than you have to.
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Im surprised to hear how lateral raises dont work for so many people, leaning db lateral raises hit my delts more than any other movement. [/quote]
most do what I call angry eagle jerk laterals.
Take too heavy of a weight.
bend knees slightly
extend knees hard getting momentum to move the weight laterally
quickly dip knees faster than the deceleration of the upward weight momentum so it appears you lifted the weight with your shoulders
thrust head angrily forward.
Let weight drop hard and uncontrolled
There you go. That’s the way to use impressive weights without much deltoid involvement.
one thing i used to do yrs ago and restarted recently is doing front raises with my nose buried in an incline bench. this helps me keep my arms from crossing my body and helps me to control the weight vs swinging it up with body movement
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
I would also incorporate Leaning Lat Raises, which seem to hitem really good, also as a finisher a Javeline Press with a barbell, really hits my anterior delts.[/quote]
Tried laterals differently last shoulder workout, lifting the bells up, then dropping them rapidly10-20 cm, then back up, for about 12 reps. Still sore lateral delts. Followed up with lying laterals and machine laterals.
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Im surprised to hear how lateral raises dont work for so many people, leaning db lateral raises hit my delts more than any other movement. [/quote]
…and I would conclude that most simply do not know what they are doing. Nothing hits the lateral head like dumbbell lateral raises unless you are very advanced with the weight used. Seeing how few actually have impressive shoulders tells me that the problem is NOT always the movement itself.[/quote]
I think with a lot of guys its ego. I see it all the time. they either jerk the weight, or use momentum. trying to lift weight they can’t handle.
[quote]DickBag wrote:
so whats the proper way to lateral raise? any videos?
whats a prontated humerus?[/quote]
Pronate basically means palm down. I just try to keep my pinky higher than my thumb throughout the movement.[/quote]
correct, personally I like to use cable behind back. it allows me to perform the movement with strictest form possible. I will switch on occasion to dumbbells for overall development.
