[quote]jkgoblue wrote:
If someone could post a video oh how lateral raises SHOULD be done it would be appreciated. So much contradictory information out there, I trust the big and strong guys here.[/quote]
This is pretty good. I dont see anything wrong.
His elbows stay high and lead the movement. Thats really the main thing. The angle and ROM are up to the individual
What weights are you guys using for laterals? The weight I use pretty much doubles switching from seated strict laterals to standing laterals with momentum. It’s definitely a harder exercise to progress on.
Hands are generally supposed to be kept in a position where pinky’s are higher than thumbs. This does make it harder but I can’t say how much of a difference it makes.
Also what do some of you think of moderate/wide grip upright rows for medial delts?
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
Hands are generally supposed to be kept in a position where pinky’s are higher than thumbs. This does make it harder but I can’t say how much of a difference it makes.
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What do you mean you dont know how much of a difference? Turning the hands in and thus pronating the humerus is THE MAIN difference when doing raises to hit the medial delts compared to the anterior delts. Do you feel your medial delts working when you do this stuff?
Delts are my bane. My traps take over on every shoulder exercise, kinda frustrating. I will definitely take some advice from this thread. Thanks.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
I’m also a big fan of L-lateral raise, where your arms are at a 90 degree angle.[/quote]
With a dumbell? How do you stress for medial delts if the center of the resistance is out in front of your body and not in line with the muscle youre trying to hit?[/quote]
Agreed. I am not even understanding laying on your side for lateral raises. That defeats the purpose of doing them. You lay on your side to train you rotator cuff, not your medial delt head.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
I’m also a big fan of L-lateral raise, where your arms are at a 90 degree angle.[/quote]
With a dumbell? How do you stress for medial delts if the center of the resistance is out in front of your body and not in line with the muscle youre trying to hit?[/quote]
Don’t have an answer for you, other than it works for me. I certainly don’t feel it in my front delts.
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
What weights are you guys using for laterals? The weight I use pretty much doubles switching from seated strict laterals to standing laterals with momentum. It’s definitely a harder exercise to progress on.
Hands are generally supposed to be kept in a position where pinky’s are higher than thumbs. This does make it harder but I can’t say how much of a difference it makes.
Also what do some of you think of moderate/wide grip upright rows for medial delts? [/quote]
I like Upright Rows better with dumbbells. This is because I can internally rotate my humerus on the movement up. I’ve been using lower rep ranges since I,BB gave me that idea… i.e. sets of 3, 4, and 5. Works well if your shoulders can handle it and your traps don’t take over.
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
What weights are you guys using for laterals? The weight I use pretty much doubles switching from seated strict laterals to standing laterals with momentum. It’s definitely a harder exercise to progress on.
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Pussy weights, if I go to heavy I won’t even feel it in my medial delts. That’s why I like L-lateral raises, it allows me to use more weight, but I can still feel my medial delts getting killed.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
Hands are generally supposed to be kept in a position where pinky’s are higher than thumbs. This does make it harder but I can’t say how much of a difference it makes.
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What do you mean you dont know how much of a difference? Turning the hands in and thus pronating the humerus is THE MAIN difference when doing raises to hit the medial delts compared to the anterior delts. Do you feel your medial delts working when you do this stuff?[/quote]
I know there’s obviously a difference, I said I don’t know how much, as in it’s not like I can put a quantitative difference out there. And it’s not like not turning it completely takes out all of the medial delts, it’s just different degrees.
Regarding L laterals, I do like these for medial delts because you can use more weight but the problem is that as the weights increase it’s difficult to keep the arms at a right angle. This is the same problem with DB upright rows for me. As it begins to feel heavier there’s a tendency to bring to weight closer to your body to make it easy and it’s difficult to decide at what point you need to stop the set.
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Im surprised to hear how lateral raises dont work for so many people, leaning db lateral raises hit my delts more than any other movement. [/quote]
Can anyone provide a link to a vid of this exercise?
oops nevermind found it
Bonez217, thanks. Turns out my form is on par. I’ve had inflammation in my supraspinatus and biceps tendons and my shoulders are lagging. Stopped the PT as it was a half assed version of a Diesel Crew shoulder routine.
Started 5/3/1 again on Monday, this will definitely help with my “assistance” work.
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
I’m also a big fan of L-lateral raise, where your arms are at a 90 degree angle.[/quote]
With a dumbell? How do you stress for medial delts if the center of the resistance is out in front of your body and not in line with the muscle youre trying to hit?[/quote]
Don’t have an answer for you, other than it works for me. I certainly don’t feel it in my front delts.[/quote]
I think L-lateral stress the medial Delt because the angle of the humerus to the body remains the same as it is in standard lateral raises. As long as one continues to lead with the the elbows and keeps the pinkie higher than the thumb, it works well. Obviously the range of motion should not be like the assholes trying to take off from the ground at the gym, from the elbows up it should be identical a standard lateral raise.
I have tried many lateral variations and have gotten the most out of L-laterals with straps to help mitigate the problem x referred to regarding grip/elbow flexor involvement. Delts have become a strength of mine.
[quote]MiJuggernaut wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
I’m also a big fan of L-lateral raise, where your arms are at a 90 degree angle.[/quote]
With a dumbell? How do you stress for medial delts if the center of the resistance is out in front of your body and not in line with the muscle youre trying to hit?[/quote]
Don’t have an answer for you, other than it works for me. I certainly don’t feel it in my front delts.[/quote]
I think L-lateral stress the medial Delt because the angle of the humerus to the body remains the same as it is in standard lateral raises. As long as one continues to lead with the the elbows and keeps the pinkie higher than the thumb, it works well. Obviously the range of motion should not be like the assholes trying to take off from the ground at the gym, from the elbows up it should be identical a standard lateral raise.
I have tried many lateral variations and have gotten the most out of L-laterals with straps to help mitigate the problem x referred to regarding grip/elbow flexor involvement. Delts have become a strength of mine.[/quote]
With L-laterals it’s not really about keeping the pinkys above the thumb, but more about your forearms not being angled up in the top position (to get the same position for your upper arm as you would with pinkys up on a traditional lateral raise)
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
I’m also a big fan of L-lateral raise, where your arms are at a 90 degree angle.[/quote]
With a dumbell? How do you stress for medial delts if the center of the resistance is out in front of your body and not in line with the muscle youre trying to hit?[/quote]
Yeah, it obviously doesn’t work. This gentleman is wasting his time, and all of the people who use his technique are complete idiots…it’s not like he knows anything about bodybuilding.
This character has the center of resistance in front of his body during laterals, too, but what the hell does he know about mass building?
2:25 mark on second vid
[quote]Ty Carlson wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
I’m also a big fan of L-lateral raise, where your arms are at a 90 degree angle.[/quote]
With a dumbell? How do you stress for medial delts if the center of the resistance is out in front of your body and not in line with the muscle youre trying to hit?[/quote]
Yeah, it obviously doesn’t work. This gentleman is wasting his time, and all of the people who use his technique are complete idiots…it’s not like he knows anything about bodybuilding.
Who the fuck are you talking to?
I asked a damned question and you start beating your chest looking for an argument. Pathetic. Grow the fuck up.
And what’s being done in that video is nothing like the image I had in my head. or what the people in my gym do that I’ve criticized.
Go jerk off and relax, you’ll save yourself the embarrassment.
[quote]Ty Carlson wrote:
This character has the center of resistance in front of his body during laterals, too, but what the hell does he know about mass building?
2:25 mark on second vid
What Jay’s doing in the second vid is what I’d call a “standard side lateral raise”
Do you have a point hidden in your post or are you just having one of those days?
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]Ty Carlson wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
I’m also a big fan of L-lateral raise, where your arms are at a 90 degree angle.[/quote]
With a dumbell? How do you stress for medial delts if the center of the resistance is out in front of your body and not in line with the muscle youre trying to hit?[/quote]
Yeah, it obviously doesn’t work. This gentleman is wasting his time, and all of the people who use his technique are complete idiots…it’s not like he knows anything about bodybuilding.
Who the fuck are you talking to?
I asked a damned question and you start beating your chest looking for an argument. Pathetic. Grow the fuck up.
And what’s being done in that video is nothing like the image I had in my head. or what the people in my gym do that I’ve criticized.
Go jerk off and relax, you’ll save yourself the embarrassment. [/quote]
Well, it was a miss-communication on my end. It seemed to me as though you were in here telling everyone off for not doing lateral raises with the perfect textbook form and blasting Andy for the thought of using an “L” type raise to hit his medial delts.
Obviously things can be misinterpreted when trying to figure out internet tone.
This is how i do db lat raises.
Seated, one side at a time a false grip and my pinky up and thumb down like i’m pouring water out of a jug.
Jumping up 5 lbs on a lat raise is very difficult. Since I always want to do 12 reps at my 12 or 13 rep max I use microweights and chains to move up.
Here, I’m doing 22.5 lbs. I used a very lightweight chain to hold up a 2.5 lb plate.
I can also use that chain to hold up a larger chain that weighs exactly 1.25 lbs.
Thus, i have the possibility of doing 20 lbs, 21.25, 22.5 or 23.75 before i make the jump to 25
None of those videos were L-laterals
Celtics it sounds like your video is saying “venusaur” lol