Defeating the System With Democracy

[thunderbolt23]

[quote]Dustin wrote:

Who says the contract I signed with company X is a part of public record. Companies/corporations don’t usually advertise their business ventures. I know Blackwater (or whatever they call themselves now) and Aegis don’t. It doesn’t really matter anyway because I could go down the street and hire a different company.[/quote]

No, they would simply offer them more money when they showed up. Ever see in any movie when someone offers to pay the agent “double” what they are getting paid to switch sides?

The Gnag doesn’t need to examine any “public record”. You have a really naive view of how this works, aye?

Organized crime only exists within a government structure. Tony Soprano loves living in the US, he just doesn’t like the government telling him he can’t sell drugs or cheat on his taxes. The Bloods and Crips may not even exist if drugs were legalized, which they would be in a voluntary society. It would take away their source of revenue. In fact, these groups would probably not want to live in a voluntary society because they can’t make money as they typically would within the state.

Good grief - you think gangs wouldn’t organize and try to exploit people in the absence of government?

Unreal, Dustin. Absolutely unreal if you actually believe that to be the case. This has become surreal.

[pookie]

[quote]orion wrote:
Shunning.

Remove them from the polis.[/quote]

How? Who gets to decide who is to be shunned or removed? What prevents someone or some small group from calling for someone to be shunned simply because they don’t like him?

How do you ensure fairness in the process?

[anon31651765]

[quote]pookie wrote:
orion wrote:
Shunning.

Remove them from the polis.

How? Who gets to decide who is to be shunned or removed? What prevents someone or some small group from calling for someone to be shunned simply because they don’t like him?

How do you ensure fairness in the process?
[/quote]

Don’t worry, Austrians have a strong, storied history about being fair to other members of humanity

[orion]

[quote]pookie wrote:
orion wrote:
Shunning.

Remove them from the polis.

How? Who gets to decide who is to be shunned or removed? What prevents someone or some small group from calling for someone to be shunned simply because they don’t like him?

How do you ensure fairness in the process?
[/quote]

There is no fairness-

There is just the knowledge that your reputation suddenly becomes important.

Because, if enough people simply turn their backs on you, i.e. refuse to cooperate with you you either understand or you don´t and most people will understand.

[orion]

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
pookie wrote:
orion wrote:
Shunning.

Remove them from the polis.

How? Who gets to decide who is to be shunned or removed? What prevents someone or some small group from calling for someone to be shunned simply because they don’t like him?

How do you ensure fairness in the process?

Don’t worry, Austrians have a strong, storied history about being fair to other members of humanity
[/quote]

They dooo, thank you!

Most people concentrate on 7 years out of 2000 and whatever, but you are different.

Therefore:

Bella gerant alii, tu felix Austria nube.
Nam quae Mars aliis, dat tibi diva Venus.

Who said that and when and what did he mean by it?

And you promise not to go the DrSceptix route and not even google it before commenting on it?

[DrSkeptix]

[quote]orion wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
pookie wrote:
orion wrote:
Shunning.

Remove them from the polis.

How? Who gets to decide who is to be shunned or removed? What prevents someone or some small group from calling for someone to be shunned simply because they don’t like him?

How do you ensure fairness in the process?

Don’t worry, Austrians have a strong, storied history about being fair to other members of humanity

They dooo, thank you!

Most people concentrate on 7 years out of 2000 and whatever, but you are different.

Therefore:

Bella gerant alii, tu felix Austria nube.
Nam quae Mars aliis, dat tibi diva Venus.

Who said that and when and what did he mean by it?

And you promise not to go the DrSceptix route and not even google it before commenting on it?

[/quote]

Adolf Eichmann?

Ah, yes, Austria…whose cardinal achievement is to have convinced the world that Beethoven was an Austrian, and Hitler was a German.
…

So here’s a brief one for you, Dolt: Aquila non capatat muscas.

[orion]

[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
orion wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
pookie wrote:
orion wrote:
Shunning.

Remove them from the polis.

How? Who gets to decide who is to be shunned or removed? What prevents someone or some small group from calling for someone to be shunned simply because they don’t like him?

How do you ensure fairness in the process?

Don’t worry, Austrians have a strong, storied history about being fair to other members of humanity

They dooo, thank you!

Most people concentrate on 7 years out of 2000 and whatever, but you are different.

Therefore:

Bella gerant alii, tu felix Austria nube.
Nam quae Mars aliis, dat tibi diva Venus.

Who said that and when and what did he mean by it?

And you promise not to go the DrSceptix route and not even google it before commenting on it?

Adolf Eichmann?

Ah, yes, Austria…whose cardinal achievement is to have convinced the world that Beethoven was an Austrian, and Hitler was a German.
…

So here’s a brief one for you, Dolt: Aquila non capatat muscas.[/quote]

Funny, you failed to mention that as long as he stayed with us all he ever amounted to was a bum who made a few bucks painting post cards, just like yourself.

And its aquila non captat muscas.

However:

The higher we soar the smaller we appear to those who cannot fly.

[Dustin]

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Dustin wrote:

Who says the contract I signed with company X is a part of public record. Companies/corporations don’t usually advertise their business ventures. I know Blackwater (or whatever they call themselves now) and Aegis don’t. It doesn’t really matter anyway because I could go down the street and hire a different company.

No, they would simply offer them more money when they showed up. Ever see in any movie when someone offers to pay the agent “double” what they are getting paid to switch sides?
[/quote]

I can still hire another company.

The Gnag doesn’t need to examine any “public record”. You have a really naive view of how this works, aye?

What company do you know of in the business community that maintains a good reputation after failing to do the job it was hired for?

Organized crime only exists within a government structure. Tony Soprano loves living in the US, he just doesn’t like the government telling him he can’t sell drugs or cheat on his taxes. The Bloods and Crips may not even exist if drugs were legalized, which they would be in a voluntary society. It would take away their source of revenue. In fact, these groups would probably not want to live in a voluntary society because they can’t make money as they typically would within the state.

Good grief - you think gangs wouldn’t organize and try to exploit people in the absence of government?

Unreal, Dustin. Absolutely unreal if you actually believe that to be the case. This has become surreal.

What would be their motivation or method for exploiting people? Gangs can’t make money off of illegal drugs, weapons, or prostitution in voluntary societies.

If it’s just plain violence and thuggery, I can simply hire a a company to protect my property. This isn’t “surreal”, it’s the basic dynamics of a free market economy.

[DrSkeptix]

[quote]orion wrote:
DrSkeptix wrote:
orion wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
pookie wrote:
orion wrote:
Shunning.

Remove them from the polis.

How? Who gets to decide who is to be shunned or removed? What prevents someone or some small group from calling for someone to be shunned simply because they don’t like him?

How do you ensure fairness in the process?

Don’t worry, Austrians have a strong, storied history about being fair to other members of humanity

They dooo, thank you!

Most people concentrate on 7 years out of 2000 and whatever, but you are different.

Therefore:

Bella gerant alii, tu felix Austria nube.
Nam quae Mars aliis, dat tibi diva Venus.

Who said that and when and what did he mean by it?

And you promise not to go the DrSceptix route and not even google it before commenting on it?

Adolf Eichmann?

Ah, yes, Austria…whose cardinal achievement is to have convinced the world that Beethoven was an Austrian, and Hitler was a German.
…

So here’s a brief one for you, Dolt: Aquila non capatat muscas.

Funny, you failed to mention that as long as he stayed with us all he ever amounted to was a bum who made a few bucks painting post cards, just like yourself.

And its aquila non captat muscas.

However:

The higher we soar the smaller we appear to those who cannot fly.[/quote]

I allow you only that I mistyped in a dead language, not that you, with dead intellect, would use any other.

And as for the postcard painter, I am sure that if he had had the internet, he would have posted his mind-numbing vacuity on it, as you do.
So, I think of you, certainly not as the eagle, but as the monkey, who as he climbs higher in the tree, shows us more of his ass.

[dhickey]

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

Whatever, you would be too drunk to run anything.

I bet they said the same thing about Churchill, Roosevelt, Ben Franklin… I could go on. [/quote]

Every time I enter a thread, there is Irish proving he knows nothing of history.

[dhickey]

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

Government was not instituted to solve any problems. It was instituted to domnate over people. I wouldn’t exactly call the lack of being dominated over a “problem”.

I wish I had this ability to erase all common sense and reinvent history at an ideological whim.

Strangely, Lifticus tells us that people always act in their self-interest, except when they institute governments, in which case, they don’t.[/quote]

It’s when this self interest has the power to infringe on natural rights of others that it becomes a problem. Enter Democracy without a strong constitution.

[dhickey]

[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
So, I think of you, certainly not as the eagle, but as the monkey, who as he climbs higher in the tree, shows us more of his ass.[/quote]

I don’t care who you are, this part was pretty clever.

[dhickey]

[quote]Chushin wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
pookie wrote:
orion wrote:
Shunning.

Remove them from the polis.

How? Who gets to decide who is to be shunned or removed? What prevents someone or some small group from calling for someone to be shunned simply because they don’t like him?

How do you ensure fairness in the process?

Don’t worry, Austrians have a strong, storied history about being fair to other members of humanity

Thanks a lot, Irish!

I now have broccoli all over my computer screen… [/quote]

In the history of organized states, I doubt Austria even makes the top 10 most murderous nations. But Irish wouldn’t know this unless it were in his 10th grade history book.

[pittbulll]

Democracy = Evil Free market = all things good. I would have loved to see you pitch this right after 2nd world war.

I think the free market is a joke, with out regulations you would have people dying of food poisoning, you would have people buying olive oil but getting canola oil instead.

You would have houses that fall down cars that wonâ??t run ,

You would have environmental disasters and none to clean them up

You would have thieves running amok the likes of stock brokers and bankers

No business will take care of any problem that is not in there interest. You would have businesses that have monopolies gouging the American public.

I canâ??t believe that the market has all these people trained to do their bidding. I do not think Government can do all things either there has to be a combination of the 2.

Our founding fathers were not the free market idiots of today, they were about personal freedom.

[orion]

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Democracy = Evil Free market = all things good. I would have loved to see you pitch this right after 2nd world war.

I think the free market is a joke, with out regulations you would have people dying of food poisoning, you would have people buying olive oil but getting canola oil instead.

You would have houses that fall down cars that wonâ??t run ,

You would have environmental disasters and none to clean them up

You would have thieves running amok the likes of stock brokers and bankers

No business will take care of any problem that is not in there interest. You would have businesses that have monopolies gouging the American public.

I canâ??t believe that the market has all these people trained to do their bidding. I do not think Government can do all things either there has to be a combination of the 2.

Our founding fathers were not the free market idiots of today, they were about personal freedom.

[/quote]

No.

Free markets- Democracy= all things good.

As to your assumptions that me or anyone else would buy crap products were it not for the government, well I am glad that you can put your need for a master in coherent sentences.

[pittbulll]

[quote]orion wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
Democracy = Evil Free market = all things good. I would have loved to see you pitch this right after 2nd world war.

I think the free market is a joke, with out regulations you would have people dying of food poisoning, you would have people buying olive oil but getting canola oil instead.

You would have houses that fall down cars that won�¢??t run ,

You would have environmental disasters and none to clean them up

You would have thieves running amok the likes of stock brokers and bankers

No business will take care of any problem that is not in there interest. You would have businesses that have monopolies gouging the American public.

I can�¢??t believe that the market has all these people trained to do their bidding. I do not think Government can do all things either there has to be a combination of the 2.

Our founding fathers were not the free market idiots of today, they were about personal freedom.

No.

Free markets- Democracy= all things good.

As to your assumptions that me or anyone else would buy crap products were it not for the government, well I am glad that you can put your need for a master in coherent sentences. [/quote]

Do you have construction experience? Or have you built many automobiles, What about your legal experience ?

[Gambit_Lost]

[quote]orion wrote:

Free markets- Democracy= all things good.

As to your assumptions that me or anyone else would buy crap products were it not for the government, well I am glad that you can put your need for a master in coherent sentences. [/quote]

Utopian.

[orion]

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
orion wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
Democracy = Evil Free market = all things good. I would have loved to see you pitch this right after 2nd world war.

I think the free market is a joke, with out regulations you would have people dying of food poisoning, you would have people buying olive oil but getting canola oil instead.

You would have houses that fall down cars that won�?�¢??t run ,

You would have environmental disasters and none to clean them up

You would have thieves running amok the likes of stock brokers and bankers

No business will take care of any problem that is not in there interest. You would have businesses that have monopolies gouging the American public.

I can�?�¢??t believe that the market has all these people trained to do their bidding. I do not think Government can do all things either there has to be a combination of the 2.

Our founding fathers were not the free market idiots of today, they were about personal freedom.

No.

Free markets- Democracy= all things good.

As to your assumptions that me or anyone else would buy crap products were it not for the government, well I am glad that you can put your need for a master in coherent sentences.

Do you have construction experience? Or have you built many automobiles, What about your legal experience ?

[/quote]

What about my not dealing with shitty companies experience?

More than once that is?