Deca Dick Solution?

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Standard 'I am not a medical professional ’ disclaimer
Attempt at your own risk/YMMV

Very brief (deca specific) background. My first cycle was a retardedly high dose, short duration cycle of Sustanon 250 (pyramid to 1000/week then back down to 500/week over the course of 5ish weeks-this was 99, so memory may be off slightly, but it was definitely a short cycle) combined with Deca (going up to 600/week in the same time frame). No PCT, no ancillaries. Again, this was the late 90s, I don’t recall if bros were even doing PCT back then. How I kept full function of my junk and fathered two healthy kids is beyond me. But anyway. 600/week of Deca with no ED issues (massive dose of test probably helped, just sayin).

Tried MHN orals in the mid-teens (years, not age), got some glandular swelling in the pec which went away upon cessation. No ED issues.

Then, beginning of this year, I had been thinking about and reading about a low dose Deca cycle to help with joint issues, and went on it (only other hormones was TRT dose of around 120/week test E). IIRC, I was taking 150/week, lost track of time and ended up doing this for 12 or so weeks. Started having floppy cock issues. For context, I was overseas during this time (away from the wife) so was consuming an inordinate amount of porn, and initially chalked it up to that. Then got home, and was still having performance issues, now with the wife. Did some reading, realized what I had done, and did some more reading on how to fix it.

My research uncovered a few things which chained together to help correct the issues. First, DHT is believed to be the hormone most responsible for erections. Testosterone is converted by 5AR into DHT. DHT in proper levels keeps lead in the ol’ pencil. DHT in high levels attacks the prostate and hairline.

Deca displaces DHT (best description of what it actually does without writing a lengthy article) through conversion to DHN, one of the articles I read (which I can’t find now, go figure) mentioned it may actually reduce DHT levels through another mechanism. If you have read any of the stuff on deca dick, there has been all kinds of conjecture on what mechanism is at play for deca causing ED (prolactin, progestin, etc.). From what I read, it looks like reduction/displacement of DHT may be the actual culprit.

So what now? In my continued research, I accidentally came across an article talking about how creatine use raises DHT levels (google it, easy to find, seems to be pretty well known in the literature) during the loading phase. So, I went and bought some creatine (hadn’t been using it for some time). Did an old school 20g/day loading phase, and voila, good solid erections with no other assistance.
*For context, I was taking cialis periodically while I was trying to figure out what was up, and continued while I was researching how to fix it. Once I got on the creatine, I stopped using it.

Again, this is based off of my own reading of other people’s research and writing, and me taking the (to me) logical next step. This worked for a while, but each time I tried stopping the creatine, right back to floppy cock issues, so I continued with the creatine until I started the 600/week primo cycle. Primo being a derivative of DHT, it seems to have gotten my levels back up to where they belong: everything is working as good as can be expected in my late 40s.

Do I think this is a cure-all? No idea. But ED went away while on the creatine, and the primo cycle seems to have been the final fix. Again, YMMV.

TLDR: DHT is responsible for erections, deca reduces/displaces DHT, potentially being the reason behind deca dick. Creatine loading phase increases DHT, as does a DHT-derived androgen cycle (such as primo).

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So test + dht derivative steroid got you back.

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Creatine got it working, as long as i kept taking creatine. A longer time on the creatine might have gotten it back on its own, i don’t know - i started getting low back pumps which led to stopping the creatine. The cycle was a few weeks after that.

But yes, the test + dht derivative cycle got everything back to normal without requiring continuous dosing.

I may have overstated or misstated the point. A better way to say it would probably be that creatine is a cheaper way to normal, if one couldn’t do another cycle soon enough.

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What if one took creatine from the beginning and stayed on creatine (5g day) year round?

I wonder if those who do not experience Deca Dick on Deca are also, coincidentally, using creatine? I have always used creatine (especially on cycle) and have never experienced it

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Good question. I’ve also talked to guys who have done deca cycles for years with no issues, so there are probably genetic predispositions at play as well.

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I keep saying it … time is the solution. Only one study published showed creatine significantly affecting DHT and it’s not touted as an accurate study. More so other studies have debunked that.

To date, 12 other studies have investigated the effects of creatine supplementation (i.e. doses ranging from 3-25 g/day for 6 days to 12 weeks) on testosterone. Two studies reported small, physiologically insignificant increases in total testosterone after six and seven days of supplementation [65, 66], while the remaining ten studies reported no change in testosterone concentrations. In five of these studies [67–71], free testosterone, which the body uses to produce DHT, was also measured and no increases were found.

Some guys do ok with a DHT mixed with their 19-nor. I didn’t. Glad it worked for you but it simply isn’t a solution.

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Interesting, didn’t know that about the different studies.

Thanks for that, that’s why we’re here: open discussion. Like we both said, it worked for me, hopefully it gives someone else another option if they get on that situation.

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There’s lot do theories out there, I’ve tried Nandrolone D twice and NPP once. All gave me ED regardless of dose, amount of Test with it, or DHT added. I hate that it does as low dose Nandrolone still gives incredible results with low risk other than the ED. Luckily I recovered each go at it with time and patience.

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You’ve been around here as long as I have, so we’re in the same age bracket. I always liked deca, until the last couple years. Even a “joint friendly” dose skews everything now. Same with mast (crushes my lipids/hdl). Tren, forget it, not worth it at this age.

As we age and have a long history of use, what we got away with while younger, doesnt seem to fly anymore.

Did the creatine do it? Who knows. The primo likely was more effective. Along with time. Ive found any changes to dose or introducing/removing a compound tends to require more time now in my mid 40s to alleviate any sides.

For me its year round low dose test, with gh or a gh agonist/peptide, occasionally low dose primo… and then do a couple reasonable blasts a year while avoiding harsh androgens and orals. I don’t experience nearly the fluctuations, or the “whats going on?” type sides that i did a few years back when transitioning from big doses to longevity based use.

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What about prolactin? Do you think elevated prolactin can cause ed when running deca. I’ve never taken it with dht just with lower dose test. Had no ed until i was at a much higher dose but i started running p5p for prolactin and it cleared up.

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Some people get that which is easy to confirm via lab tests. However, its not the most common scenario.