Dealing With Parents

[quote]tmay11 wrote:
Does anybody else here who still lives with thier parents have problems with them regarding your food intake. I guess my parents are very “old school” in there train of thought and they don’t understand why I need to eat so much. I have tried to explain it to them but they just keep ranting on about how I don’t need that much food and it’s unhealthy to eat past the point of being full. My father looks at me in disgust when he sees me eat 6 eggs and 4 peices of toast for breakfast. Another thing that pisses me off is how my Dad sterotypes anybody who lifts weights as “muscleheads” and a bunch of big oafs.

How can I explain it to them and how did/do you deal with it?

-thanks for letting me rant!

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A few questions:

  1. Do you chip in on the food bill?

  2. Have you shown your Dad any good lifting mags, such as MILO?

  3. Have you given them the reason why you want to build your body?

Now I understand that number 3 is tricky as sometimes WE sometimes don’t even know WHY we want to build our bodies. Think about, if you can put it into words and communicate your entire premise to them on a regular basis they might just become believers.

Don’t ever be discouraged. MARCH ON!

[quote]ZEB wrote:
tmay11 wrote:
Does anybody else here who still lives with thier parents have problems with them regarding your food intake. I guess my parents are very “old school” in there train of thought and they don’t understand why I need to eat so much. I have tried to explain it to them but they just keep ranting on about how I don’t need that much food and it’s unhealthy to eat past the point of being full. My father looks at me in disgust when he sees me eat 6 eggs and 4 peices of toast for breakfast. Another thing that pisses me off is how my Dad sterotypes anybody who lifts weights as “muscleheads” and a bunch of big oafs.

How can I explain it to them and how did/do you deal with it?

-thanks for letting me rant!

A few questions:

  1. Do you chip in on the food bill?

  2. Have you shown your Dad any good lifting mags, such as MILO?

  3. Have you given them the reason why you want to build your body?

Now I understand that number 3 is tricky as sometimes WE sometimes don’t even know WHY we want to build our bodies. Think about, if you can put it into words and communicate your entire premise to them on a regular basis they might just become believers.

Don’t ever be discouraged. MARCH ON!

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Honestly, Zeb, it all depends on the parents. I had a job and was buying my own supplements and (while very clueless about it at the time) was trying to make some of my own meals and shakes. That still got a lot of flack. Mind you, I think my parents bought me my first bodybuilding magazine in like 1988 with Lee Haney on the cover when I was just a little kid and one of my uncles was really into bodybuilding (who I looked up to at the time). They would still make negative comments about the shakes, the eggs and everything else and gave no support in that area. Sometimes, you just have to do what you alone have to do with plans of moving out so you can do your own thing.

With the negative image bodybuilding, weight training or even sports in general are getting, it does not surprise me that there are even more negative attitudes to the activity. My mom was a teacher (meaning educated) and still called one of my doctors as a kid because she was convinced that Weider’s Mega Mass must either have steroids in it or something very harmful. People believe what they want to believe. telling this kid he should try to convince his parents otherwise is simply going to drain his energy.

[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
You’re faced with a very intricate and difficult situation.

Essentially, there’s a power structure involving you and your parents, and you’re currently sitting at the bottom of it.

What needs to happen in order for you to realize your goals is a promotion up the hierarchy ladder, but this will necessarily entail a clash of some sort. You will need to work (and fight, if need be) for the promotion.

Considering the behavior which you have described, it is highly unlikely that your parents will back off or change their minds. Far more likely is the possibility that they will try to impose some new mandate on you in the form of a “compromise.” This is the path which has been recommended to you by several people on this thread, and it is nothing but a trap.

Understand this:
A genuine compromise can only be made when two parties approach one another on equal terms. If the terms are unequal, then there is no need for compromise; the stronger side will devour the weaker. This is a basic law of nature; it is by no means quaint. It applies to all human interactions.

A compromise will result in a net loss on your part, because you are currently the weakest side in this power equation. You will have everything to lose. Your parents, nothing. If, for example, you take the advice of “doing well in school” in order to make a show of your academic devotion, you will find yourself in a constant struggle to keep up the new image while still pursuing your real interests. Your parents will immediately seize on any new mistakes you make and the penalties for these transgressions will increase in severity. The higher they climb, the farther they fall…

Yet, this doesn’t have to be the case. Not if you follow the advice which I’m about to give you. First of all, everything I’ve stated here is under the assumption that your parents are an active obstruction to your goals, rather than a mere nuisance. If this is not the case – if your parents are giving you crap about your habits, but show no signs of forcibly preventing you from achieving them – then learn the art agreeing with the master, then doing as you please.

So this finally brings us to the issue of the necessary clash between you and your parents, the “power restructuring”, if you will. First, you need to ensure that you are psychologically capable of withstanding such a restructuring. If you are weak-willed, then it won’t work work: you need to be in a position of inferiority. If, on the other hand, you can truly understand and accept within yourself the need for a shift in the hierarchy, then it will practically occur of it’s own right. Nature will carry out it’s course; you need only have patience throughout and remain steadfast in your convictions at the moment of greatest danger (this will occur precisely before the power restructuring).

The way to do it is by subtly, yet firmly asserting yourself, your own will, in matters in which both you and your parents currently have a stake (or, at least, in which they percieve they have a stake). During this phase, it will be crucial for you to speak in terms of actions rather than words. Your results and subsequent position on the power hierarchy will be directly tied to the extent that you are able to accomplish this.

The greatest mistake you could make at this time would be an attempt to “argue” your way to victory, to somehow reasonably persuade your parents to yield to your ambitions. A debate is always held on equal terms; one participant never enters it with an edge on his opponent. For this reason, a philosophical debate does not reflect the power structure between you and your parents, and it will be useless for accomplishing your goals. Avoid it at all costs.

Remain aloof and self-assured at all times, yet never outwardly defiant. A strong show of defiance will provoke an equally strong retaliation, a crushing rebuke. This is not what you are aiming for. Your goal is to slowly chip away at the foundation of your parents’ power, so that they won’t notice their diminished position until it’s too late.

I’m addressing this issue from the perspective of social dynamics. It may seem a bit theatrical, but it’s completely legitimate and I’m ready to formally defend my views.[/quote]

That works. It’s exactly why I’m going to be playing junior hockey next year. It does help that my parents are divorced.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
ZEB wrote:
tmay11 wrote:
Does anybody else here who still lives with thier parents have problems with them regarding your food intake. I guess my parents are very “old school” in there train of thought and they don’t understand why I need to eat so much. I have tried to explain it to them but they just keep ranting on about how I don’t need that much food and it’s unhealthy to eat past the point of being full. My father looks at me in disgust when he sees me eat 6 eggs and 4 peices of toast for breakfast. Another thing that pisses me off is how my Dad sterotypes anybody who lifts weights as “muscleheads” and a bunch of big oafs.

How can I explain it to them and how did/do you deal with it?

-thanks for letting me rant!

A few questions:

  1. Do you chip in on the food bill?

  2. Have you shown your Dad any good lifting mags, such as MILO?

  3. Have you given them the reason why you want to build your body?

Now I understand that number 3 is tricky as sometimes WE sometimes don’t even know WHY we want to build our bodies. Think about, if you can put it into words and communicate your entire premise to them on a regular basis they might just become believers.

Don’t ever be discouraged. MARCH ON!

Honestly, Zeb, it all depends on the parents. I had a job and was buying my own supplements and (while very clueless about it at the time) was trying to make some of my own meals and shakes. That still got a lot of flack. Mind you, I think my parents bought me my first bodybuilding magazine in like 1988 with Lee Haney on the cover when I was just a little kid and one of my uncles was really into bodybuilding (who I looked up to at the time). They would still make negative comments about the shakes, the eggs and everything else and gave no support in that area. Sometimes, you just have to do what you alone have to do with plans of moving out so you can do your own thing.

With the negative image bodybuilding, weight training or even sports in general are getting, it does not surprise me that there are even more negative attitudes to the activity. My mom was a teacher (meaning educated) and still called one of my doctors as a kid because she was convinced that Weider’s Mega Mass must either have steroids in it or something very harmful. People believe what they want to believe. telling this kid he should try to convince his parents otherwise is simply going to drain his energy.[/quote]

Yea, but those are his parents and I think a good try at communication should always be included.

But, I’m with you on that whole image thing. Bodybuilding has earned and received a very bad image.

He has to somehow convince his folks that he is not living the life of a pro bodybuilder, doing ALL the things they do etc.

Sure, it won’t be easy but neither is building s quality physique.