[quote]creatinejunkie wrote:
There are plenty of older, and usually bigger/stronger dudes in my gym, that preach broscience to me. Now, i appreciate their effort to help me, but they actually expect me to follow their advice which is complete broscience and bullshit. How should i deal with them without going into argument or hurting relationships? (don’t want to have constant negative atmosphere when i go to workout)[/quote]
Like others have stated, I would deal with their advise with an open mind especially if it is more than one lifter that is giving you the same advise.
[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
Relevant question: What do you currently weigh?[/quote]
170lbs
[quote]Fuzzyapple wrote:
Maybe the stuff that you believe is broscience. We need examples of what they told you.[/quote]
‘‘oh, you want to get stronger, so just go balls to the wall 3 days a week (bench, squat, deadlift), and do nothing else that day. and stop doing barbel rows, its bad for your back’’
[quote]TrevorLPT wrote:
I hate it when people bigger, stronger, and more experienced than me try to give me advice. [/quote]
Theyre not THAT big and strong. Actually nothing impressive, considering mine ant their training ages
[quote]twojarslave wrote:
You could always get stronger than them. Thatll shut them up.[/quote]
The best part: Guy who was giving me bunch of broscience advices didnt even deadlift. And usually they only give those ‘‘advices’’ when they see me doing bigger or same weight than theirs.
[quote]SuperVillian wrote:
Guy or girl, if you on a regular basis come into a gym and bench press, military press, squat, and deadlift with good form and heavy, you could never step foot towards a dumbbell, machine, or treadmill and nobody would probably ever say a word to you, so if you aren’t doing those four things then you obviously need advice and help. [/quote]
I do all those lifts heavy. No machines or other shit. My gym doesn’t even have those.
I dont care they are bigger or stronger. Doesnt mean I should be afraid to tell them something. And it doesnt mean they know anything. For example, no one even low bar squats, they dont know this thing exists. They think only low reps build strength. High reps are for cutting, and stuff like that
‘‘oh, you want to get stronger, so just go balls to the wall 3 days a week (bench, squat, deadlift), and do nothing else that day. and stop doing barbel rows, its bad for your back’’[/quote]
Most of that sounds good. Apart from the BB row bit but who knows, maybe your form was off?
Generally, if somebody tells you something you don’t care about, politely thank him for his advice but mention that you’d rather try where your methods lead you. The key word is ‘polite’.
[quote]SuperVillian wrote:
Guy or girl, if you on a regular basis come into a gym and bench press, military press, squat, and deadlift with good form and heavy, you could never step foot towards a dumbbell, machine, or treadmill and nobody would probably ever say a word to you, so if you aren’t doing those four things then you obviously need advice and help.
I went to a gym where a skinny nerdy looking guy would come in everyday in chucks and do one of those four things with great form and with weights that for him were heavy and required low reps, I had more respect for him then any other jacked up bro getting a pump from isolation exercises and test boosters. [/quote]
Wow that’s weird there was a guy that fit that exact profile that used to work out at the golds I went to in SoCal as well. Always had mad respect but he never ended up looking much different after the year and half I was there. I think must of been not hammering nutrition as hard or something.
To OP it would be interesting to share what your current program is so we can see where you are coming from.
[quote]csulli wrote:
Lol, dude you’re the best[/quote]
Ha, thanks. I do try to play nice and be more tolerant in the Beginners forum. When they venture outside of those gates, it’s all fair play.
[quote]creatinejunkie wrote:
[quote]I wrote:
Relevant question: What do you currently weigh?[/quote]
170lbs[/quote]
Cool beans. Since you’ve gained about 20 pounds over the last four months, I suggest you try working that into the conversation next time they talk to you. It probably won’t go over well because of your general attitude, but it couldn’t hurt to mention. Do you look any more built compared to where you were in May?
Doing the Big 3 three days a week is a time-tested method of building size and strength and is the basis for some of the most popular training programs of all time. Not exactly “broscience.”
Based on the technique I see most people use, I’d agree that barbell rows can be bad for your back. And squats “can be” bad for your knees and benching “can be” bad for shoulders. Generalizations aren’t always good, but they’re not always wrong either.
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Pick a story and stick to it.
For reference, what are your current bests on the squat, dead, bench, overhead press, and row? Just so we know how envious and not-strong these guys are.
I know you’re a young kid, so I’ll just remind you that “stuff like that” is straight-up old school bodybuilding. It’s the kind of stuff that lots of guys did for years and they still miraculously ended up building muscle. It worked. Lifters today have different ideas and a different understanding, but to pretend those methods didn’t actually provide results is just silly.
What do you mean you’re opposed to deadlifts[/quote]
I find deadlifts to be one of the best strength demonstrators on the planet yet not a great strength builder. I have achieved the greatest success in building my deadlift by NOT deadlifting, focusing far more on mat pulls and safety squat bar work. In contrast, when I ensured to include deadlifts in my training, my deadlift stalled for a long time. I feel like most trainees without aspirations in competing in powerlifting or strongman would benefit more from not deadlifting, and even with my own training, I only pull from the floor once every 2 months.
I find the fundamental issue is that most people can’t separate practicing a lift with building it, and think that, in order to make a lift stronger, you have to perform the lift itself.
This was my favorite part: OP first said that it was usually bigger and stronger dudes giving him advice, then when pushed, downplayed the supposed size and strength of said bigger and stronger dudes. Well…which is it?
What do you mean you’re opposed to deadlifts[/quote]
I find deadlifts to be one of the best strength demonstrators on the planet yet not a great strength builder. I have achieved the greatest success in building my deadlift by NOT deadlifting, focusing far more on mat pulls and safety squat bar work. In contrast, when I ensured to include deadlifts in my training, my deadlift stalled for a long time. I feel like most trainees without aspirations in competing in powerlifting or strongman would benefit more from not deadlifting, and even with my own training, I only pull from the floor once every 2 months.
I find the fundamental issue is that most people can’t separate practicing a lift with building it, and think that, in order to make a lift stronger, you have to perform the lift itself. [/quote]
I love reading your posts, and recognize how strong you are, but have you ever considered that you might be a freak of nature? It just seems to me that practicing the movement itself is important in-and-of-itself if you want to get better at it. If you accept the proposition that the movement takes skill, not just strength, then its hard to get behind advocating more or less not practicing the movement for months at a time.