Deaf Native American Shot by Police

[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]kellerdp wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]kellerdp wrote:

[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:Gay picture of white “anarchists”
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White anarchist kids crack me up. They rail against the system and talk about class war, yet they are benefiting from the system and their class because it allows them to have the leisure time and money to complain and try to make up for their white guilt.

On topic, I feel bad for the man’s family and community.[/quote]

I am glad I crack you up? How am I benefiting from the system and my class? I am so benefiting from the system being a low-class, poor, blue collar, Irish kid from south Phoenix. What exactly are my benefits? Koolaid and hot dogs everyday? Oh, yes my wonderful leisure time and money. You mean working from dawn til dusk to make enough money that eventually I don’t need to worry about working from dawn til dusk to make sure my family has food on the table?

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Whoa whoa whoa. Back the lol-train up a moment, dude.

If you are trolling, good job. If not, a cereal reply is below.

I was talking about the picture that Dixies Finest put up that had a bunch of ‘anarchist’ kids demonstrating. Those douchebag kids crack me up because (being a former douchebag kids like them) they are full of shit.

The majority of them come from nice, suburban communities where they purposely choose to be lower-class (it’s so hardcore and street), usually jobless (again, it gives anarcho-cred when you have to shoplift things since you can’t buy them), and like to get shitty pretty much every night and rail about the system and talk about Revolution and shit like that.

They benefit from their class and ‘the system’ in a couple different ways. By being middle-class or higher, they have the opportunity to dip their toes in the water of the working/under class by working a min. wage job (so they can complain about wages, and how they have to commodify themselves, etc) or having no job (which gives them the opportunity to be a traveler kid and hitch/train hop across the US to different like-minded communities) and pursue shoplifting (private property is theft, duh), dumpster diving (reclaiming and re-purposing the waste of the system) and squatting (which is typically crashing on a friends couch. When they get bored or uncomfortable they can always go home and quietly integrate back into society while having a few good stories to tell about their crazy youth.

By being white, they benefit because their skin color allows them the ability to look like shit (punks, crusties, typical anarchist (black clothing, surplus boots, etc) and still be accepted by society. Too many times did I see people of color (preferred phrase in the anarchist community) get hassled by ‘the man’ (in whatever sense you want to use that phrase) only to have white kids who dressed exactly like them walk by and not get shit. It’s accepted white-kid rebellion.

Most of the anarchist kids I used to roll with got involved by way of punk music, which lead to the Anti-Racist Action (lololololol) group, and typically Crimthinc (lolololololol). These groups typically lead to these children carrying banners (like in Dixies pic) and dressing in black because they think it looks cool (though they’ll tell you it’s for solidarity with their Zapatista sisters and brothers (conscious decision to put men last) or Palestinian comrades or whatever).

The most amount of action I saw in the couple years I thought I was a badass was getting fucked up by the cops in texas, a useless protest against the FTAA in Miami, and a bunch of little things here and there. Too many useless ‘conventions’ (NCOR, Radical Encuentro, NOW meetings, etc) where again, you get a bunch of white people belly-aching about how the system needs to change which typically devolves into daydreams of fighting the cops/man and how the ‘rank & file’ are going to wake up and embrace an anarchist utopia.

tl;dr: White anarchist kids who come from middle-class or higher backgrounds are douchebags. They are at best armchair revolutionaries, and at worst smelly.

lol. that was a lot. time to poop.

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That is not Anarchy, that is mere anarchy where everyone does what they want even if it violates others property. That’s not how the world should go, and Dixie will agree with me, my Catholic Anarchist buddy (surprising to have someone’s ideas match up so closely, as I’m also a Catholic Anarchist).

Yes, rebellion against unjust laws is what we may do sometimes, but informing people is stronger way to rebel.

And, even though I may not like Anarchist or Liberals as they stand, I do have faith in both anarchy and liberalism. [/quote]

Brother from another mother?[/quote]

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[quote]Evolv wrote:

That is too bad, that officer has a hard ass job and long ass hours for being paid a $35,000 on average salary. Respect them and thank them.
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Bull. Fuckin. Shit. at average salary. After 10 years they make over $100,000 in New Jersey. They are public servants so their salary is public as well. I’ll take Lodi, NJ as an example of a blue collar town where the average guy makes about $30,000 . Here’s what cops in that town make WITHOUT overtime:

http://php.app.com/NJpublicemployees/results.php?lastn=&firstn=&location=LODI+BOROUGH&fullname=Police+and+Firemens+Retirement+System&Submit=Search

That’s a blue collar town. If you do a new search and pick a wealthier town, they’re making $120,000 and up after 10 years. Is that average to you?

Ridgewood, NJ:
http://php.app.com/NJpublicemployees/results.php?pageNum_Recordset1=2&totalRows_Recordset1=79&lastn=&firstn=&location=RIDGEWOOD+VILLAGE&fullname=Police+and+Firemens+Retirement+System&Submit=Search

And I can assure you that website is accurate. I’m an employee of a NJ state funded college so my salary is on there too. It’s exactly what I was making in 2008 so it’s dead on.

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]Evolv wrote:

That is too bad, that officer has a hard ass job and long ass hours for being paid a $35,000 on average salary. Respect them and thank them.
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Bull. Fuckin. Shit. at average salary. After 10 years they make over $100,000 in New Jersey. They are public servants so their salary is public as well. I’ll take Lodi, NJ as an example of a blue collar town where the average guy makes about $30,000 . Here’s what cops in that town make WITHOUT overtime:

http://php.app.com/NJpublicemployees/results.php?lastn=&firstn=&location=LODI+BOROUGH&fullname=Police+and+Firemens+Retirement+System&Submit=Search

That’s a blue collar town. If you do a new search and pick a wealthier town, they’re making $120,000 and up after 10 years. Is that average to you?

Ridgewood, NJ:
http://php.app.com/NJpublicemployees/results.php?pageNum_Recordset1=2&totalRows_Recordset1=79&lastn=&firstn=&location=RIDGEWOOD+VILLAGE&fullname=Police+and+Firemens+Retirement+System&Submit=Search

And I can assure you that website is accurate. I’m an employee of a NJ state funded college so my salary is on there too. It’s exactly what I was making in 2008 so it’s dead on.[/quote]

I did not know this. Some of these guys are making more than some doctors in other areas.

I have been hearing about “low wages” for years and simply assumed it was true.

[quote]Evolv wrote:
People get upset, because they do not have that authority that the LEO has; that makes them upset for many reasons, usually because they feel “above” the officer. [/quote]

They do not have any special authority, they have a gun, there is a difference.

ALso, what is wrong about “feeling above” someone who is there to “protect and serve” you?

If someone must “feel above” someone that would be the correct relationship.

As a serving Police Officer and I can say with out any doubt that 99% of the men and women I’ve worked with are the most sincerest, honest, brave, humble and hardworking people I have ever had the pleasure of meeting. The other 1% I can’t say the same thing about, and are the ones who bring our profession into disrepute. I’m sure every vocation has them though. Please don’t tar us all with the same brush.

Despite the myths and misconceptions this is one the most scrutinised and accoutable professions anyone can work in

For the record I was never bullied at high school, nor have I ever had low self esteem.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]Evolv wrote:

That is too bad, that officer has a hard ass job and long ass hours for being paid a $35,000 on average salary. Respect them and thank them.
.[/quote]

Bull. Fuckin. Shit. at average salary. After 10 years they make over $100,000 in New Jersey. They are public servants so their salary is public as well. I’ll take Lodi, NJ as an example of a blue collar town where the average guy makes about $30,000 . Here’s what cops in that town make WITHOUT overtime:

http://php.app.com/NJpublicemployees/results.php?lastn=&firstn=&location=LODI+BOROUGH&fullname=Police+and+Firemens+Retirement+System&Submit=Search

That’s a blue collar town. If you do a new search and pick a wealthier town, they’re making $120,000 and up after 10 years. Is that average to you?

Ridgewood, NJ:
http://php.app.com/NJpublicemployees/results.php?pageNum_Recordset1=2&totalRows_Recordset1=79&lastn=&firstn=&location=RIDGEWOOD+VILLAGE&fullname=Police+and+Firemens+Retirement+System&Submit=Search

And I can assure you that website is accurate. I’m an employee of a NJ state funded college so my salary is on there too. It’s exactly what I was making in 2008 so it’s dead on.[/quote]

I did not know this. Some of these guys are making more than some doctors in other areas.

I have been hearing about “low wages” for years and simply assumed it was true.
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In my area the wages are low if you aren’t on a big city police dept. or the state police. I see starting salaries for small town part time police officers at 10$-13$ per hour. It’s all relative.

[quote]Huh? wrote:
As a serving Police Officer and I can say with out any doubt that 99% of the men and women I’ve worked with are the most sincerest, honest, brave, humble and hardworking people I have ever had the pleasure of meeting. The other 1% I can’t say the same thing about, and are the ones who bring our profession into disrepute. I’m sure every vocation has them though. Please don’t tar us all with the same brush.

Despite the myths and misconceptions this is one the most scrutinised and accoutable professions anyone can work in

For the record I was never bullied at high school, nor have I ever had low self esteem.
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but when that 1% is seen 50% of the time, that 1% seems a lot bigger. the news never shows any cops being nice and doing their job, they show the fuck ups. Most of the cops that pull people over are usually the fuckups. the good cops are seldom seen because they are too busy doing their job

[quote]Huh? wrote:
As a serving Police Officer and I can say with out any doubt that 99% of the men and women I’ve worked with are the most sincerest, honest, brave, humble and hardworking people I have ever had the pleasure of meeting. The other 1% I can’t say the same thing about, and are the ones who bring our profession into disrepute. I’m sure every vocation has them though. Please don’t tar us all with the same brush.

Despite the myths and misconceptions this is one the most scrutinised and accoutable professions anyone can work in

For the record I was never bullied at high school, nor have I ever had low self esteem.
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Then I guess I have met most all the 1%

[quote]Huh? wrote:
As a serving Police Officer and I can say with out any doubt that 99% of the men and women I’ve worked with are the most sincerest, honest, brave, humble and hardworking people I have ever had the pleasure of meeting. The other 1% I can’t say the same thing about, and are the ones who bring our profession into disrepute. I’m sure every vocation has them though. Please don’t tar us all with the same brush.

Despite the myths and misconceptions this is one the most scrutinised and accoutable professions anyone can work in

For the record I was never bullied at high school, nor have I ever had low self esteem.
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And the others, those that let the 1% get away with it by constantly looking the other way, are they good or bad cops?

And what are those cops who are lying to push through their speeding ticket in court to meet their quotas, or those fighting hard to keep and expand forfeiture laws so that their department has the newest gadgets and they get shiny new cars for cheap in auctions?

What are the cops who frisk minorities with flimsy excuses in New York so that they met their quota? What is with those who manipulate the crime statistcs this or that way, in whatever way needed?

Seems those 1% are awfully busy.


I’m just pissed I have to pay for this with my tax dollars. Wouldn’t it make more sense just to buy them a gym and some trainer? Cut down on health costs while we’re at it?

[quote]Oleena wrote:
I’m just pissed I have to pay for this with my tax dollars. Wouldn’t it make more sense just to buy them a gym and some trainer? Cut down on health costs while we’re at it?[/quote]

Which one is cuter?

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]Oleena wrote:
I’m just pissed I have to pay for this with my tax dollars. Wouldn’t it make more sense just to buy them a gym and some trainer? Cut down on health costs while we’re at it?[/quote]

Which one is cuter?[/quote]

Neither. I’d go ahead and let humanity die if this was all that was left of it.

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Huh? wrote:
As a serving Police Officer and I can say with out any doubt that 99% of the men and women I’ve worked with are the most sincerest, honest, brave, humble and hardworking people I have ever had the pleasure of meeting. The other 1% I can’t say the same thing about, and are the ones who bring our profession into disrepute. I’m sure every vocation has them though. Please don’t tar us all with the same brush.

Despite the myths and misconceptions this is one the most scrutinised and accoutable professions anyone can work in

For the record I was never bullied at high school, nor have I ever had low self esteem.
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And the others, those that let the 1% get away with it by constantly looking the other way, are they good or bad cops?

And what are those cops who are lying to push through their speeding ticket in court to meet their quotas, or those fighting hard to keep and expand forfeiture laws so that their department has the newest gadgets and they get shiny new cars for cheap in auctions?

What are the cops who frisk minorities with flimsy excuses in New York so that they met their quota? What is with those who manipulate the crime statistcs this or that way, in whatever way needed?

Seems those 1% are awfully busy.

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Would I look the other way if a partner killed or maimed someone through a gross misuse of force? Not likely.

The thing is we are pretty much under video and audio surveillance 24/7 these days. We have cameras and microphones in our cars, at the station, in the watch house and lots of cops now wear them on their person. Then there’s CCTV and anyone who carries a cell phone has an easily accessible camera on them, so you never know when you are being videod.

It’s a bit hard to look the other way. You get caught lying by IA, you can pretty much kiss your job goodbye or at the very least expect to spend some serious time behind a desk. Get caught lying in a coronial or a court of law and there’s the real prospect of criminal charges.

As for quotas, I’m afraid I can’t help you. My department are funded by the City to the tune of about $356 million per annum. It used to be around $380 but we’ve had our budget slashed in recent years.

From what I understand revenue made from traffic offences goes back to the City’s bank account, not the departments. I’ve never been given quotas to fill. Usually we’re too busy getting smashed going from a domestic to a pub brawl to serious assault to an intruders on etc to worry about traffic stops. On the rare times we aren’t busy our supervisors are on our back to get our reports up-to-date etc.

In regards to frisking minorities. Again I can’t help you. I’m not a member of the NYPD…and i’d suggest that those manipulating crime statistics are public servants or politicians or maybe even Police Chiefs, some who haven’t done any real policing for decades. It’s not your run of the mill beat cop that’s for sure.

Huh has good points. The politicians can have a field day with crime stats etc.

In my local town there is an ongoing scandal. Payoffs from bookies and the subsequent shaking them down for more money, supposed civil rights violations which might be true. An attempted cover up of a fight where someone ended up dead.

This is a small town where there was always a little corruption, but in a way that was acceptable. Then the next generation pushed it.

[quote]Huh? wrote:

The thing is we are pretty much under video and audio surveillance 24/7 these days. We have cameras and microphones in our cars, at the station, in the watch house and lots of cops now wear them on their person. Then there’s CCTV and anyone who carries a cell phone has an easily accessible camera on them, so you never know when you are being videod.
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Doesn’t seem like that’ll be a problem for long - Are Cameras the New Guns?

And yet I’ve personally had hand-written statements I’ve given the police altered AND destroyed. This has happened to other people from the same area as me, who have the same criminal history as me - not even a parking ticket.

So obviously that 1% is either larger than believed, or there are far more police than we know of.

[quote]tom63 wrote:
This is a small town where there was always a little corruption, but in a way that was acceptable. Then the next generation pushed it. [/quote]

What the fuck? "There was always a little corruption, but in a way that was acceptable. Then the next generation pushed it."

Did you seriously just say that? At what level does corruption go from “little” to “big” to “unacceptable?” These people are in charge of the structures and systems which govern LIVES. How dirty should we let them be?

Goodness, I don’t understand why some of you are denying that other professions have crap working there? Does anyone remember the surgical technician that fueled her drug habit and replaced used syringes exposing thousands of patients to hepatitis C? Anyone? Anyone? Law enforcement gets hit hard when shit happens, and for good reason, it should not be tolerated. However, it does happen everyday, in every profession. Who does not understand that?

It should be noted that this Seattle officer is no longer in LE.

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Evolv wrote:

…It should be noted that this Seattle officer is no longer in LE.[/quote]

Yes, but is he in state prison serving a second degree murder conviction?[/quote]

Exactly. My guess is, if any one of us gunned down a man in cold blood for no damn reason, we would not be on the streets simply looking for a new job.