Deaf Native American Shot by Police

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]kellerdp wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]kellerdp wrote:

[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:Gay picture of white “anarchists”
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White anarchist kids crack me up. They rail against the system and talk about class war, yet they are benefiting from the system and their class because it allows them to have the leisure time and money to complain and try to make up for their white guilt.

On topic, I feel bad for the man’s family and community.[/quote]

I am glad I crack you up? How am I benefiting from the system and my class? I am so benefiting from the system being a low-class, poor, blue collar, Irish kid from south Phoenix. What exactly are my benefits? Koolaid and hot dogs everyday? Oh, yes my wonderful leisure time and money. You mean working from dawn til dusk to make enough money that eventually I don’t need to worry about working from dawn til dusk to make sure my family has food on the table?

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Whoa whoa whoa. Back the lol-train up a moment, dude.

If you are trolling, good job. If not, a cereal reply is below.

I was talking about the picture that Dixies Finest put up that had a bunch of ‘anarchist’ kids demonstrating. Those douchebag kids crack me up because (being a former douchebag kids like them) they are full of shit.

The majority of them come from nice, suburban communities where they purposely choose to be lower-class (it’s so hardcore and street), usually jobless (again, it gives anarcho-cred when you have to shoplift things since you can’t buy them), and like to get shitty pretty much every night and rail about the system and talk about Revolution and shit like that.

They benefit from their class and ‘the system’ in a couple different ways. By being middle-class or higher, they have the opportunity to dip their toes in the water of the working/under class by working a min. wage job (so they can complain about wages, and how they have to commodify themselves, etc) or having no job (which gives them the opportunity to be a traveler kid and hitch/train hop across the US to different like-minded communities) and pursue shoplifting (private property is theft, duh), dumpster diving (reclaiming and re-purposing the waste of the system) and squatting (which is typically crashing on a friends couch. When they get bored or uncomfortable they can always go home and quietly integrate back into society while having a few good stories to tell about their crazy youth.

By being white, they benefit because their skin color allows them the ability to look like shit (punks, crusties, typical anarchist (black clothing, surplus boots, etc) and still be accepted by society. Too many times did I see people of color (preferred phrase in the anarchist community) get hassled by ‘the man’ (in whatever sense you want to use that phrase) only to have white kids who dressed exactly like them walk by and not get shit. It’s accepted white-kid rebellion.

Most of the anarchist kids I used to roll with got involved by way of punk music, which lead to the Anti-Racist Action (lololololol) group, and typically Crimthinc (lolololololol). These groups typically lead to these children carrying banners (like in Dixies pic) and dressing in black because they think it looks cool (though they’ll tell you it’s for solidarity with their Zapatista sisters and brothers (conscious decision to put men last) or Palestinian comrades or whatever).

The most amount of action I saw in the couple years I thought I was a badass was getting fucked up by the cops in texas, a useless protest against the FTAA in Miami, and a bunch of little things here and there. Too many useless ‘conventions’ (NCOR, Radical Encuentro, NOW meetings, etc) where again, you get a bunch of white people belly-aching about how the system needs to change which typically devolves into daydreams of fighting the cops/man and how the ‘rank & file’ are going to wake up and embrace an anarchist utopia.

tl;dr: White anarchist kids who come from middle-class or higher backgrounds are douchebags. They are at best armchair revolutionaries, and at worst smelly.

lol. that was a lot. time to poop.

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That is not Anarchy, that is mere anarchy where everyone does what they want even if it violates others property. That’s not how the world should go, and Dixie will agree with me, my Catholic Anarchist buddy (surprising to have someone’s ideas match up so closely, as I’m also a Catholic Anarchist).

Yes, rebellion against unjust laws is what we may do sometimes, but informing people is stronger way to rebel.

And, even though I may not like Anarchist or Liberals as they stand, I do have faith in both anarchy and liberalism. [/quote]

Brother from another mother?

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Good posts Guilty77.

The majority of the public will never understand the daily stresses police officers endure day to day. It’s one of the reasons it’s such a tight knit community.

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[quote]FIUPanther07 wrote:
Good posts Guilty77.

The majority of the public will never understand the daily stresses police officers endure day to day. It’s one of the reasons it’s such a tight knit community. [/quote]

And that same fraternal bond also allows for the MANY, MANY officers who abuse their station to do so with little fear of retaliation or justice.

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[quote]Vash wrote:

[quote]FIUPanther07 wrote:
Good posts Guilty77.

The majority of the public will never understand the daily stresses police officers endure day to day. It’s one of the reasons it’s such a tight knit community. [/quote]

And that same fraternal bond also allows for the MANY, MANY officers who abuse their station to do so with little fear of retaliation or justice.[/quote]

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
Why is it the only place I see shit like this is in the T-Nation GAL forum? Why isn’t shit like this in the news headlines on national TV. Google deaf native american man killed by cops and you won’t see CNN , NBC or fox news in the top hits. A gay guy jumps off the GW bridge and I hear news stories every night about another gay kid getting “bullied” in high school on national TV like it’s an epidemic, but videos and stories like this are passed up. It’s a fuckin disgrace. [/quote]

Dude, no offense, but when was the last time you saw a nation wide amber alert for a black girl?

Mind you, they go missing too.

Our media still ignores or downplays minorities.[/quote]

Yeah everyone who gets reported missing is a blonde haired blue eyed white girl. Interesting.

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[quote]FIUPanther07 wrote:
Good posts Guilty77.

The majority of the public will never understand the daily stresses police officers endure day to day. It’s one of the reasons it’s such a tight knit community. [/quote]

Which is why they need to be held to an even higher standard. It’s just a recipe for disaster having such an armed, authoritative and powerful force strung out on hate because of some shitty days at work. They really need to be held accountable for their own stress levels and their mental state because if they don’t they’re going to make poor judgment calls that will end people’s lives.

Giving them a pass or more slack because of this is the exact opposite of what should be done.

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[quote]Vash wrote:

[quote]FIUPanther07 wrote:
Good posts Guilty77.

The majority of the public will never understand the daily stresses police officers endure day to day. It’s one of the reasons it’s such a tight knit community. [/quote]

And that same fraternal bond also allows for the MANY, MANY officers who abuse their station to do so with little fear of retaliation or justice.[/quote]
I agree with this.

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[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]FIUPanther07 wrote:
Good posts Guilty77.

The majority of the public will never understand the daily stresses police officers endure day to day. It’s one of the reasons it’s such a tight knit community. [/quote]

Which is why they need to be held to an even higher standard. It’s just a recipe for disaster having such an armed, authoritative and powerful force strung out on hate because of some shitty days at work. They really need to be held accountable for their own stress levels and their mental state because if they don’t they’re going to make poor judgment calls that will end people’s lives.

Giving them a pass or more slack because of this is the exact opposite of what should be done.
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I am NOT saying they should be given more slack or a pass. I think they should be given the same amount of slack as everyone else.

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[quote]Guilty77 wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]FIUPanther07 wrote:
Good posts Guilty77.

The majority of the public will never understand the daily stresses police officers endure day to day. It’s one of the reasons it’s such a tight knit community. [/quote]

Which is why they need to be held to an even higher standard. It’s just a recipe for disaster having such an armed, authoritative and powerful force strung out on hate because of some shitty days at work. They really need to be held accountable for their own stress levels and their mental state because if they don’t they’re going to make poor judgment calls that will end people’s lives.

Giving them a pass or more slack because of this is the exact opposite of what should be done.
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I am NOT saying they should be given more slack or a pass. I think they should be given the same amount of slack as everyone else.[/quote]

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That would mean NO slack which was my point to start with. It would seem as if the only person who agreed with your other posts is another cop. No other profession would look at the loss of life and then say, “let’s walk in their shoes because the job is dangerous”…yet here you are acting like the danger of the profession means they should be held to a different standard than other professions.

You wouldn’t be arguing that cops are at greater risk if you didn’t because greater risk does not erase the fact that no other profession allows that type of thinking.

The same “close knit fraternity” that some seem to think exists because of how rough they have it is exactly what the problem is when some cop kills or beats up someone else and all they get is a proverbial slap on the wrist.

These people have guns and the power in society to kill me and then act as if it was my fault even if it wasn’t AND get away with it unless a camera is literally pointed at them while they do it…which should scare the shit out of any sane person.

Had there been no camera in this instance, most people who trust the police to a great level would simply assume the cop had a good reason to kill this man.

That is NOT a good thing at all. That is fucking scary as hell…unless you for some reason think it can’t happen to you.

Anyone who wants to be a cop should be held to a higher standard then ANYONE else.

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I will also add that this very instance is what many in minority communities have been talking about for decades. It seems that only now that cameras are everywhere that others are finally waking up as well. Why did it take this long and is anyone still in the dark about how society would respond if NO camera was there?

Would this many people still be skeptical of the cop’s actions?

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[quote]Guilty77 wrote:

I am NOT saying they should be given more slack or a pass. I think they should be given the same amount of slack as everyone else.[/quote]

No they shouldn’t. Not with the amount of power and responsibility they have. The same way you don’t expect a surgeon to make a stupid mistake and cost you your life but you’ll cut the waitress at IHOP some slack if you get scrambled eggs instead of sunny side up. Not everyone is held to the same standard when it comes to making stupid mistakes.

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[quote]FIUPanther07 wrote:
Good posts Guilty77.

The majority of the public will never understand the daily stresses police officers endure day to day. It’s one of the reasons it’s such a tight knit community. [/quote]

Bullshit, we understand. We just don’t like being treated like criminals when we are not.

Too many cops, too much power in their hands.

Too many laws, too many prisons, too many prisoners.

We are the biggest police state in the world.

The human rights abuse isn’t as bad as some but we are headed in the wrong direction.

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[quote]Guilty77 wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]FIUPanther07 wrote:
Good posts Guilty77.

The majority of the public will never understand the daily stresses police officers endure day to day. It’s one of the reasons it’s such a tight knit community. [/quote]

Which is why they need to be held to an even higher standard. It’s just a recipe for disaster having such an armed, authoritative and powerful force strung out on hate because of some shitty days at work. They really need to be held accountable for their own stress levels and their mental state because if they don’t they’re going to make poor judgment calls that will end people’s lives.

Giving them a pass or more slack because of this is the exact opposite of what should be done.
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I am NOT saying they should be given more slack or a pass. I think they should be given the same amount of slack as everyone else.[/quote]

Much less because they have more power.

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I hope you from South Africa are a US citizen, otherwise you have no say anything about this.

With regards to LEOs and their power, they do not have too much power. Just because they carry a weapon does not mean they have more power. I would imagine this officer was held accountable for his actions in this, he is probably fired. A LEO can not just shoot someone, you do not get off the hook because you are a sworn officer lol.

99% of law enforcement are very good at what they do and their cause to the public. Just like anything else, you will have shit birds, they slide through the cracks, and mess up. You see it in politics, military, McDonalds, in medical doctors, everywhere. People get upset, because they do not have that authority that the LEO has; that makes them upset for many reasons, usually because they feel “above” the officer. That is too bad, that officer has a hard ass job and long ass hours for being paid a $35,000 on average salary. Respect them and thank them.

If you were ever in need of help and your life was threatened you would be damn happy to have an officer near you with a ready weapon. This incident was tragic, but it is no different than hearing about a surgeon fucking up a procedure and costing a life-- mistakes happen, and we can only try to learn from them and prevent them from occuring again.

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[quote]Evolv wrote:

With regards to LEOs and their power, they do not have too much power. Just because they carry a weapon does not mean they have more power. I would imagine this officer was held accountable for his actions in this, he is probably fired. A LEO can not just shoot someone, you do not get off the hook because you are a sworn officer lol.[/quote]

It’s not simply the weapon; they DO have a great deal of power. Not only in what they can do, but in the weight the court gives their word. They are, in many ways, the law.

Baseless statistic to prove an opinion. And also statistically improbable. A line of work containing the number of people it does, 99% is nigh-impossible.

I’ve nothing but respect for those police officers with whom I’ve interacted who at least treated me like a person. Cancer, AIDS, fetal alcohol syndrome, and chlamydia on each and every one who’s abused their power and position.

Perhaps referring to them as “first response” is a mistake; they are NOT first response. They will be, at best, second response. We are responsible for our safety and security. I’ll call a cop if someone steals from me something that has a serial number. Aside from that, I don’t see much use in them.

Yes, it was very different. A surgeon is not going to attempt a bypass, then harvest half your spleen because fuck your spleen, at least generally. There will also be more trained medical professionals than just the surgeon in the room, allowing for quick reassessment of the spleen-fucking.

The cop in question, ON VIDEO, MURDERED A MAN. He’s stressed? Just can’t take it, do you know what he deals with?

Fuck him sideways. Go manage a Burger King if you can’t take it.

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[quote]Evolv wrote:
This incident was tragic, but it is no different than hearing about a surgeon fucking up a procedure and costing a life-- mistakes happen, and we can only try to learn from them and prevent them from occuring again.[/quote]

This was no mistake.

He shot an innocent man.

He took the life of an innocent man.

Why are people trying to defend him?

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[quote]Vash wrote:
Perhaps referring to them as “first response” is a mistake; they are NOT first response. They will be, at best, second response. We are responsible for our safety and security. I’ll call a cop if someone steals from me something that has a serial number. Aside from that, I don’t see much use in them.
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Absolutely.

I’m glad there aren’t a bunch of militant cop nut huggers on this board. That cock sucker murdered an innocent man… he should fry.

The US needs to ditch this cultural desire to be protected and feel safe. Maybe then police would lose power and influence. Protect yourself. Best way to eliminate violent crime would be to grease violent criminals on the spot IMO.

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[quote]Evolv wrote:
I hope you from South Africa are a US citizen, otherwise you have no say anything about this.

With regards to LEOs and their power, they do not have too much power. Just because they carry a weapon does not mean they have more power.[/quote]

Interesting. Especially since having the power to cover up wrong doings unless video footage says otherwise is the greatest display of “power” they have. In court, a cop’s word weighs more heavily than my own…which is no comfort seeing here how quick they are to lie about what happened to save their own ass. All of that is a display of power…and I think that needs to stop.

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I would imagine this officer was held accountable for his actions in this, he is probably fired. A LEO can not just shoot someone, you do not get off the hook because you are a sworn officer lol.[/quote]

If there had been no video, I doubt this cop would have missed one day of work. A LEO just murdered someone on the street in broad daylight and felt no reserve for doing it. This man’s life is gone because LEOs were allowed to hire this man without the general public knowing how dangerous some of their employees are.

I thought you said they had no power?

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If you were ever in need of help and your life was threatened you would be damn happy to have an officer near you with a ready weapon. This incident was tragic, but it is no different than hearing about a surgeon fucking up a procedure and costing a life-- mistakes happen, and we can only try to learn from them and prevent them from occuring again.[/quote]

Fucking up? That’s what you call this? A “fuck up”? How many surgeons are MURDERING people in the operating room with 4-10 witnesses? Mistakes happen? So I can be killed by a cop today for crossing the street and the response will be “oops, we fucked up but respect us anyway”?

Dude, when the majority of the general public you are supposed to be ‘PROTECTING AND SERVING’ starts feeling the same way about you while you scream in opposition, it may be time to listen.

You are supposed to be working for us, not the other way around.

One of you just killed us…on purpose…for no fucking reason.

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[quote]Vash wrote:

Perhaps referring to them as “first response” is a mistake; they are NOT first response. They will be, at best, second response. We are responsible for our safety and security. I’ll call a cop if someone steals from me something that has a serial number. Aside from that, I don’t see much use in them.[/quote]

Exactly. For the majority of us, they would only come into play AFTER something happened, not during. If someone breaks into your car and steals the radio, calling the cops will doubtfully ever get your radio back and they won’t be preventing it from happening unless they are literally sitting by your car protecting it all day…which doesn’t fucking happen. I call them for insurance purposes only.

The EMTs are usually first response to a situation.