Deaf Native American Shot by Police

Vash · December 23, 2010, 2:54pm

[quote]Guilty77 wrote:

[quote]Vash wrote:

[quote]Guilty77 wrote:
I am in no way justifying what this cop did. He was wrong and should lose his badge or worse (pending investigation). And there are a number of dick cops out there. Shit, there are plenty. But, before you all start shitting on cops (or should I say shitting on cops some more) spend one day in the life of a cop, see how difficult the job is, and then make your accusations. This is not to say shit cops should get let off the hook, but it’s important to have a little understanding of the job.[/quote]

Cops deal with some truly awful, awful things. Some have taken the duty, been good people.

Individual cops have pulled me over, stripped my car of everything not bolted down and tossed it on the road (this happens on a regular basis on my trips home), and taken me down a known “hide road” for young couples in love and placed a loaded handgun (NOT their sidearm) against my head and threatened myself and my family.

So far, I’ve not broken any laws which necessitated police intervention. I’ve never been involved with any criminal element, and was in fact known for assisting PIs in their tech setups.

In my current town, the cops are nice, and even the dicks come off as at least doing their DUTY.

My home town, the only fluid I’d poor on a burning cop would be gasoline.[/quote]
Dude, where are you from?[/quote]

An underpopulated city in southern Arkansas.

Professor_X · December 23, 2010, 4:35pm

[quote]Guilty77 wrote:
I am in no way justifying what this cop did. He was wrong and should lose his badge or worse (pending investigation). And there are a number of dick cops out there. Shit, there are plenty. But, before you all start shitting on cops (or should I say shitting on cops some more) spend one day in the life of a cop, see how difficult the job is, and then make your accusations. This is not to say shit cops should get let off the hook, but it’s important to have a little understanding of the job.[/quote]

I disagree and do not understand how cops get a pass with this type of thinking. If you go to a medical doctor and he does something to cause the loss of life, my guess is NO ONE is going to be saying, “[quote]spend one day in the life of a doctor, see how difficult the job is, and then make your accusations[/quote]”

They will simply sue and try to destroy his reputation.

How is it police get the “walk in their shoes” bit?

kellerdp · December 23, 2010, 5:09pm

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]kellerdp wrote:

[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:Gay picture of white “anarchists”
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White anarchist kids crack me up. They rail against the system and talk about class war, yet they are benefiting from the system and their class because it allows them to have the leisure time and money to complain and try to make up for their white guilt.

On topic, I feel bad for the man’s family and community.[/quote]

I am glad I crack you up? How am I benefiting from the system and my class? I am so benefiting from the system being a low-class, poor, blue collar, Irish kid from south Phoenix. What exactly are my benefits? Koolaid and hot dogs everyday? Oh, yes my wonderful leisure time and money. You mean working from dawn til dusk to make enough money that eventually I don’t need to worry about working from dawn til dusk to make sure my family has food on the table?

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Whoa whoa whoa. Back the lol-train up a moment, dude.

If you are trolling, good job. If not, a cereal reply is below.

I was talking about the picture that Dixies Finest put up that had a bunch of ‘anarchist’ kids demonstrating. Those douchebag kids crack me up because (being a former douchebag kids like them) they are full of shit.

The majority of them come from nice, suburban communities where they purposely choose to be lower-class (it’s so hardcore and street), usually jobless (again, it gives anarcho-cred when you have to shoplift things since you can’t buy them), and like to get shitty pretty much every night and rail about the system and talk about Revolution and shit like that.

They benefit from their class and ‘the system’ in a couple different ways. By being middle-class or higher, they have the opportunity to dip their toes in the water of the working/under class by working a min. wage job (so they can complain about wages, and how they have to commodify themselves, etc) or having no job (which gives them the opportunity to be a traveler kid and hitch/train hop across the US to different like-minded communities) and pursue shoplifting (private property is theft, duh), dumpster diving (reclaiming and re-purposing the waste of the system) and squatting (which is typically crashing on a friends couch. When they get bored or uncomfortable they can always go home and quietly integrate back into society while having a few good stories to tell about their crazy youth.

By being white, they benefit because their skin color allows them the ability to look like shit (punks, crusties, typical anarchist (black clothing, surplus boots, etc) and still be accepted by society. Too many times did I see people of color (preferred phrase in the anarchist community) get hassled by ‘the man’ (in whatever sense you want to use that phrase) only to have white kids who dressed exactly like them walk by and not get shit. It’s accepted white-kid rebellion.

Most of the anarchist kids I used to roll with got involved by way of punk music, which lead to the Anti-Racist Action (lololololol) group, and typically Crimthinc (lolololololol). These groups typically lead to these children carrying banners (like in Dixies pic) and dressing in black because they think it looks cool (though they’ll tell you it’s for solidarity with their Zapatista sisters and brothers (conscious decision to put men last) or Palestinian comrades or whatever).

The most amount of action I saw in the couple years I thought I was a badass was getting fucked up by the cops in texas, a useless protest against the FTAA in Miami, and a bunch of little things here and there. Too many useless ‘conventions’ (NCOR, Radical Encuentro, NOW meetings, etc) where again, you get a bunch of white people belly-aching about how the system needs to change which typically devolves into daydreams of fighting the cops/man and how the ‘rank & file’ are going to wake up and embrace an anarchist utopia.

tl;dr: White anarchist kids who come from middle-class or higher backgrounds are douchebags. They are at best armchair revolutionaries, and at worst smelly.

lol. that was a lot. time to poop.

tom63 · December 23, 2010, 5:25pm

the profiling had nothing to do with me being pulled over, it has to do with his perception of letting me off with a warning. A different person of age or color might get a ticket. He didn’t even ask me about the guns. If I was a different age and a minority it might be different.

As for my second ticket, they look for speeders on football Saturdays and I should know that. The other fellow mainly wanted people to slow down.

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

I agree but this is not new. This is old news in black communities and we have had people even say that “our attitude” is why we get harassed more. I get pulled over so much it isn’t funny. I know for fact it is because of the car or bike I drive and my skin color…because most times no ticket is even given. They just wanted to fuck with me.

I would have felt the same way as you ten years ago. Now, I just wonder why it took so fucking long for everyone else to notice it.[/quote]

It’s not only limited to minorities. I’m white and I’ve been pulled over numerous times for just driving around late with my friends and alone. I’ve had black roomates and I’ve been pulled over with them in the car and I’ll admit they were treated worse during the questioning once we were pulled over. This abuse of power affects everyone and it bothers me as much now as it did over 15 years ago when I started noticing it.[/quote]

A lot of the “getting pulled over for no reason” stuff comes from what car you drive in my experience.[/quote]

I agree. I’ve had pretty shitty cars but nothing like a broken windshield or tail light. I can remember getting pulled over in an '82 Cadillac coupe deville that I bought for $400 , an ugly 1984 mustang and more than a few times when I had my 1967 2 door Fairlane 500. Unless there was a ban on Fairlane’s that I didn’t know about, there was no reason to pull me over.

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Cops profile for AGE and SKIN color. They rarely pull over old white guys. [/quote]

I’d agree. I got a ticket for speeding going to a PSU game this fall. Small town revenue enhancement. The last time I got pulled over for speeding was last summer.

I was 45 driving a five year old Honda Pilot with my 14 year old son in the front seat. In the back seat I had six guns, with two semi autos, 2 pistols, and two hunting rifles.

Middle aged white guy with a kid speeding = Warning. Even with serious zombie killing firepower.

Young guy with three other young guys in the car doing the same thing( going to the range) = step outside the car and don’t move. Even for the white guys. Now the difference is there is a lot of deer hunting in this rural area, so he’s getting the ticket and not getting the break, and I seriously doubt there would be shooting.

On the other side there is an increase here in drugs and violence. But you can tell the trouble makers by looking at them. They scream of white trash stupid and minority trashy stupid.

You look like your driving your kid to soccer practice, you get treated better, even with different races around here. But that’s a small town area for you. Odds are you know this person for years and know their background. We’ve had two-three generations of troublemakers around here.[/quote]

I wouldn’t call that profiling or an abuse of power. You were speeding so he pulled you over. What X and I were talking about was getting pulled over for no reason. In his case he specifically related it to race. When I was younger, the cops in our area would just pull you over and ask you where you were going if you drove around and it was late. I think they only do this to younger (under 25) people though since I haven’t been hassled in awhile.
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tom63 · December 23, 2010, 5:36pm

My brother in law is black and was careful about what cars he bought for years due to perception of police officers. This is a navy veteran who was under secretary of veteran’s affairs and had a driver at the time. He bought a Mercedes sedan recently and also has a suburban and a BMW sedan. But it doesn’t seem to be an issue now. He’s 49 and hasn’t been bothered for years.

My point is certain cops will profile a whole bunch of types, not just race, young, black, certain vehicles, time of night etc. I still shake my head over my pt. giving me grief over my deer busted headlight. And he was a state police officer. In my experience you’re more likely to get grief from a local cop. Some are good, but the less competent seem to end up there. State police and big city police I’ve dealt with had more training and professionalism, but they still have their bad apples. NYC has 1000s in their dept for example.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

I wouldn’t call that profiling or an abuse of power. You were speeding so he pulled you over. What X and I were talking about was getting pulled over for no reason. In his case he specifically related it to race. When I was younger, the cops in our area would just pull you over and ask you where you were going if you drove around and it was late. I think they only do this to younger (under 25) people though since I haven’t been hassled in awhile.
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Agreed. I was getting pulled over just for driving at night and I am not a kid nor do I look like one. The last guy flat out asked what I was doing out so late…which caught me off guard seeing as I am a grown man and wasn’t aware that I had to have a reason ready to be out when I pleased. Mind you, I was leaving the gym, but still, why would a cop ask a grown man that question? Shit, what is HE doing out that late?

I will say that they haven’t bothers me like that in the car I am in now. Whether you blame the tint and the fact that you can’t see me well in it because of how low it is or the fact that it is new, I notice a big difference from when they could see me in the truck.

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Professor_X · December 23, 2010, 6:05pm

[quote]tom63 wrote:
My brother in law is black and was careful about what cars he bought for years due to perception of police officers. This is a navy veteran who was under secretary of veteran’s affairs and had a driver at the time. He bought a Mercedes sedan recently and also has a suburban and a BMW sedan. But it doesn’t seem to be an issue now. He’s 49 and hasn’t been bothered for years.

My point is certain cops will profile a whole bunch of types, not just race, young, black, certain vehicles, time of night etc. I still shake my head over my pt. giving me grief over my deer busted headlight. And he was a state police officer. In my experience you’re more likely to get grief from a local cop. Some are good, but the less competent seem to end up there. State police and big city police I’ve dealt with had more training and professionalism, but they still have their bad apples. NYC has 1000s in their dept for example.

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I had one guy stop me (again for no apparent reason after leaving the gym), who claimed that I looked nervous (as if this was a cause for searching my car). I told him I might seem nervous because I just got done squatting a few hundred pounds and I am now being questioned by a police officer.

Honestly, I do not have sympathy for most of these guys because I get fucked with way too much and NO ONE would be acting like we need to walk in their shoes if they were in other professions. I really think some people are simply raised to trust cops or not trust them. The ones raised to trust them are the type who think we all need to experience what they experience before we critique them.

In my life, there has never been an instance where I have been able to say, “Wow,I sure am glad the cops showed up when they did”. If that occurs in the future, so be it…but until then, I will maintain the opinion that we actually have too many cops in certain areas, they have too much “perceived power” and all of these speeding tickets are why they are now driving brand new “unmarked” cars and SUVs.

The HPD does not seem to be lacking in funds at all and seem all too ready to force us to pay even more for stupid reasons.

tom63 · December 23, 2010, 7:20pm

I see what you mean doc and would probably the same way in your shoes.

Vash · December 23, 2010, 7:23pm

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:
My brother in law is black and was careful about what cars he bought for years due to perception of police officers. This is a navy veteran who was under secretary of veteran’s affairs and had a driver at the time. He bought a Mercedes sedan recently and also has a suburban and a BMW sedan. But it doesn’t seem to be an issue now. He’s 49 and hasn’t been bothered for years.

My point is certain cops will profile a whole bunch of types, not just race, young, black, certain vehicles, time of night etc. I still shake my head over my pt. giving me grief over my deer busted headlight. And he was a state police officer. In my experience you’re more likely to get grief from a local cop. Some are good, but the less competent seem to end up there. State police and big city police I’ve dealt with had more training and professionalism, but they still have their bad apples. NYC has 1000s in their dept for example.

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I had one guy stop me (again for no apparent reason after leaving the gym), who claimed that I looked nervous (as if this was a cause for searching my car). I told him I might seem nervous because I just got done squatting a few hundred pounds and I am now being questioned by a police officer.

Honestly, I do not have sympathy for most of these guys because I get fucked with way too much and NO ONE would be acting like we need to walk in their shoes if they were in other professions. I really think some people are simply raised to trust cops or not trust them. The ones raised to trust them are the type who think we all need to experience what they experience before we critique them.

In my life, there has never been an instance where I have been able to say, “Wow,I sure am glad the cops showed up when they did”. If that occurs in the future, so be it…but until then, I will maintain the opinion that we actually have too many cops in certain areas, they have too much “perceived power” and all of these speeding tickets are why they are now driving brand new “unmarked” cars and SUVs.

The HPD does not seem to be lacking in funds at all and seem all too ready to force us to pay even more for stupid reasons.
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Absolute Truth.

tom63 · December 23, 2010, 7:34pm

One thing to remember is that law enforcement is a growth business. My speeding ticket was just increased revenue for the local borough. I was over , but not following anyone , not swerving. Traffic tickets are huge profits. Going after serial rapists, street drug dealers and biker gangs cost money.

Of course there are the federal and state grants which help fuel this, but my point is traffic stops are a license to print money. And they pull a guy over, I bet they can find something to ticket the average guy for. And that’s just pure profit again.

Take a DUI. I’m
not advocating driving drunk, but it’s more than a fine and jail time. A friend had one and he was paying a whole lot of stuff that didn’t seem related . Now some cop pulls over a black guy at some late night hour, better chance to bring home some big Money. When they see you didn’t fo anything, there’s were the attitude comes out.

Not every cop is bad or dirty , but I’ve been around to see the tricks.

Guilty77 · December 23, 2010, 9:36pm

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Guilty77 wrote:
I am in no way justifying what this cop did. He was wrong and should lose his badge or worse (pending investigation). And there are a number of dick cops out there. Shit, there are plenty. But, before you all start shitting on cops (or should I say shitting on cops some more) spend one day in the life of a cop, see how difficult the job is, and then make your accusations. This is not to say shit cops should get let off the hook, but it’s important to have a little understanding of the job.[/quote]

I disagree and do not understand how cops get a pass with this type of thinking. If you go to a medical doctor and he does something to cause the loss of life, my guess is NO ONE is going to be saying, “[quote]spend one day in the life of a doctor, see how difficult the job is, and then make your accusations[/quote]”

They will simply sue and try to destroy his reputation.

How is it police get the “walk in their shoes” bit?[/quote]
Who said cops should get a pass? I certainly didn’t. Cops and doctors are drastically different professions and that analogy is not comparable at all. A cops job is to go out every day and deal with the lowest of the low and the shit that no one wants to deal with.
Every day a cop is on the job, people want to kill them and given the opportunity, they will kill them. Seattle has seen a spike in cop killings in recent years, even so extreme that one man pulled up to a random cop car and shot him in the face with a shotgun, point blank. If you can’t understand how this affects every situation you approach on the job, then you need to wake up. This does not justify cops crossing the line at all, but it does justify them walking the line.
I absolutely think the cop in this case overreacted by shooting him. I think SPD sets shit like that up by having a shoot (not taze) people with knives policy. But, when a police officer is approached by a man carrying a knife who is seemingly ignoring his command to drop it (unless you are expecting cops to be able to tell who is deaf by looking at them) the cop should act defensively (again, not shooting).
When I say have some understanding or spend a day in the life, I mean the old man should probably think not to approach a cop carrying a knife.

And people arguing over the legality of the blade length, if you think you can tell the difference between a 3" and a 3.5" inch blade from ten feet away, congrats on having mutant eyes.

Guilty77 · December 23, 2010, 9:38pm

For the record, I am talking about big city cops. I don’t know shit about small town cops. I live in Los Angeles.

DixiesFinest · December 23, 2010, 9:39pm

[quote]kellerdp wrote:

tl;dr: White anarchist kids who come from middle-class or higher backgrounds are douchebags. They are at best armchair revolutionaries, and at worst smelly.

lol. that was a lot. time to poop.

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lolololololol.

I just thought the slogan was appropriate.

DixiesFinest · December 23, 2010, 10:05pm

[quote]Guilty77 wrote:
For the record, I am talking about big city cops. I don’t know shit about small town cops. I live in Los Angeles.[/quote]

Small town is hit or miss. The cops could be better because everyone knows each other (for the most part), and so the cop is that much more accountable.

On the other hand, the cop could be one of a handful, and so he knows no one will stand up to him and his dickish quest for power.

Any trouble I have had with cops has been small town cops, both white and black.

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Professor_X · December 23, 2010, 10:02pm

[quote]Guilty77 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Guilty77 wrote:
I am in no way justifying what this cop did. He was wrong and should lose his badge or worse (pending investigation). And there are a number of dick cops out there. Shit, there are plenty. But, before you all start shitting on cops (or should I say shitting on cops some more) spend one day in the life of a cop, see how difficult the job is, and then make your accusations. This is not to say shit cops should get let off the hook, but it’s important to have a little understanding of the job.[/quote]

I disagree and do not understand how cops get a pass with this type of thinking. If you go to a medical doctor and he does something to cause the loss of life, my guess is NO ONE is going to be saying, “[quote]spend one day in the life of a doctor, see how difficult the job is, and then make your accusations[/quote]”

They will simply sue and try to destroy his reputation.

How is it police get the “walk in their shoes” bit?[/quote]
Who said cops should get a pass? I certainly didn’t. Cops and doctors are drastically different professions and that analogy is not comparable at all. A cops job is to go out every day and deal with the lowest of the low and the shit that no one wants to deal with.
Every day a cop is on the job, people want to kill them and given the opportunity, they will kill them. Seattle has seen a spike in cop killings in recent years, even so extreme that one man pulled up to a random cop car and shot him in the face with a shotgun, point blank. If you can’t understand how this affects every situation you approach on the job, then you need to wake up. This does not justify cops crossing the line at all, but it does justify them walking the line. [/quote]

They aren’t different. They are both supposed to be PROFESSIONALS. A doc’s job is to go out everyday and deal with the lowest of the low DISEASES AND INJURED PEOPLE and shit no one else has the skill to deal with.

Everyday a doc is on the job, people want to die on them and given the opportunity, many patients will act as if the doc can make NO mistakes at all. If you can’t understand how this affects every situation you approach on the job, then you need to wake up.

Bottom line, a cop has a fucking gun and can end life instantly. That means they should be held to the same level of responsibility as a doctor or any other professional…so once again, unless you feel the same about a medical doctor, you are a hypocrite for acting like a cop deserves a “walk in their shoes” speech but not a doc.

Guilty77 · December 23, 2010, 10:21pm

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Guilty77 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Guilty77 wrote:
I am in no way justifying what this cop did. He was wrong and should lose his badge or worse (pending investigation). And there are a number of dick cops out there. Shit, there are plenty. But, before you all start shitting on cops (or should I say shitting on cops some more) spend one day in the life of a cop, see how difficult the job is, and then make your accusations. This is not to say shit cops should get let off the hook, but it’s important to have a little understanding of the job.[/quote]

I disagree and do not understand how cops get a pass with this type of thinking. If you go to a medical doctor and he does something to cause the loss of life, my guess is NO ONE is going to be saying, “[quote]spend one day in the life of a doctor, see how difficult the job is, and then make your accusations[/quote]”

They will simply sue and try to destroy his reputation.

How is it police get the “walk in their shoes” bit?[/quote]
Who said cops should get a pass? I certainly didn’t. Cops and doctors are drastically different professions and that analogy is not comparable at all. A cops job is to go out every day and deal with the lowest of the low and the shit that no one wants to deal with.
Every day a cop is on the job, people want to kill them and given the opportunity, they will kill them. Seattle has seen a spike in cop killings in recent years, even so extreme that one man pulled up to a random cop car and shot him in the face with a shotgun, point blank. If you can’t understand how this affects every situation you approach on the job, then you need to wake up. This does not justify cops crossing the line at all, but it does justify them walking the line. [/quote]

They aren’t different. They are both supposed to be PROFESSIONALS. A doc’s job is to go out everyday and deal with the lowest of the low DISEASES AND INJURED PEOPLE and shit no one else has the skill to deal with.

Everyday a doc is on the job, people want to die on them and given the opportunity, many patients will act as if the doc can make NO mistakes at all. If you can’t understand how this affects every situation you approach on the job, then you need to wake up.

Bottom line, a cop has a fucking gun and can end life instantly. That means they should be held to the same level of responsibility as a doctor or any other professional…so once again, unless you feel the same about a medical doctor, you are a hypocrite for acting like a cop deserves a “walk in their shoes” speech but not a doc.[/quote]

Where the fuck did I say that cops are the only people who deserve understanding? Every profession deserves understanding and “a walk in their shoes” but you are de-fucking-lusional if you think those shoes are the same.
People can very often die under the watch of a doctor, so doctors should treat their patients with seriousness and levity.
Nearly every situation a cop is in is one where his life is at stake. Cops are shot at routine traffic stops, shoplifting scenarios, drive-bys, and beat-walking. So those situations should be approached with the same levity as overtly dangerous ones.

Police officer and doctor are both serious professions, but it’s pretty obvious that police officer is much more dangerous. Diseases don’t pull guns when you’re hand-cuffing them. Diseases don’t lead you on a chase down an alley so their friends can ambush you with a shotgun.

Professor_X · December 23, 2010, 10:31pm

[quote]Guilty77 wrote:

Where the fuck did I say that cops are the only people who deserve understanding? Every profession deserves understanding and “a walk in their shoes” but you are de-fucking-lusional if you think those shoes are the same.
People can very often die under the watch of a doctor, so doctors should treat their patients with seriousness and levity.
Nearly every situation a cop is in is one where his life is at stake. Cops are shot at routine traffic stops, shoplifting scenarios, drive-bys, and beat-walking. So those situations should be approached with the same levity as overtly dangerous ones.

Police officer and doctor are both serious professions, but it’s pretty obvious that police officer is much more dangerous. Diseases don’t pull guns when you’re hand-cuffing them. Diseases don’t lead you on a chase down an alley so their friends can ambush you with a shotgun. [/quote]

No, diseases can simply kill you and one needle stick, blood spatter in the eye or deep scratch by accident could give you AIDs, hepatitis, and several other diseases so please stop acting like a doc’s life is not at risk while on the job. It is and always has been. Bottom line, the life of a doc in an ER IS at risk…so acting like risk of life is the issue that separates them is flimsy at best and completely ignorant to the profession at worst.

Guilty77 · December 23, 2010, 10:34pm

Sometimes a doctor sees the symptoms of one disease, gives a treatment and he was wrong, so the patient dies. Or maybe he over-medicates or gives the wrong meds. The patient dies.
Likewise, sometimes scenarios that appear one way to a cop are actually much less threatening and he overreacts, resulting in a death.
If you are going to say “Fuck cops. He’s a murderer. We should not trust them. They should have less power.” Then you are a hypocrite for not saying “Fuck doctors. He’s a murderer. We shouldn’t trust doctors or give their profession any clout.”

Both are situations where people made mistakes. The mistakes were fatal and tragic, but mistakes. Everyone makes mistakes. If you are in a profession where someone’s life is in your hands, those mistakes can result in death. But no one in any profession is immune from error.

Guilty77 · December 23, 2010, 10:37pm

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Guilty77 wrote:

Where the fuck did I say that cops are the only people who deserve understanding? Every profession deserves understanding and “a walk in their shoes” but you are de-fucking-lusional if you think those shoes are the same.
People can very often die under the watch of a doctor, so doctors should treat their patients with seriousness and levity.
Nearly every situation a cop is in is one where his life is at stake. Cops are shot at routine traffic stops, shoplifting scenarios, drive-bys, and beat-walking. So those situations should be approached with the same levity as overtly dangerous ones.

Police officer and doctor are both serious professions, but it’s pretty obvious that police officer is much more dangerous. Diseases don’t pull guns when you’re hand-cuffing them. Diseases don’t lead you on a chase down an alley so their friends can ambush you with a shotgun. [/quote]

No, diseases can simply kill you and one needle stick, blood spatter in the eye or deep scratch by accident could give you AIDs, hepatitis, and several other diseases so please stop acting like a doc’s life is not at risk while on the job. It is and always has been. Bottom line, the life of a doc in an ER IS at risk…so acting like risk of life is the issue that separates them is flimsy at best and completely ignorant to the profession at worst.[/quote]
This is where the walk in their shoes part comes in. If you really think that being an ER doctor is as dangerous as being a police officer, it is clear that YOU are the ignorant one. That’s not to say that ER docs aren’t at risk, but there is a world of difference between them.

Guilty77 · December 23, 2010, 10:54pm

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Guilty77 wrote:

Where the fuck did I say that cops are the only people who deserve understanding? Every profession deserves understanding and “a walk in their shoes” but you are de-fucking-lusional if you think those shoes are the same.
People can very often die under the watch of a doctor, so doctors should treat their patients with seriousness and levity.
Nearly every situation a cop is in is one where his life is at stake. Cops are shot at routine traffic stops, shoplifting scenarios, drive-bys, and beat-walking. So those situations should be approached with the same levity as overtly dangerous ones.

Police officer and doctor are both serious professions, but it’s pretty obvious that police officer is much more dangerous. Diseases don’t pull guns when you’re hand-cuffing them. Diseases don’t lead you on a chase down an alley so their friends can ambush you with a shotgun. [/quote]

No, diseases can simply kill you and one needle stick, blood spatter in the eye or deep scratch by accident could give you AIDs, hepatitis, and several other diseases so please stop acting like a doc’s life is not at risk while on the job. It is and always has been. Bottom line, the life of a doc in an ER IS at risk…so acting like risk of life is the issue that separates them is flimsy at best and completely ignorant to the profession at worst.[/quote]
You do know that cops are first responders on most violent crime scenes, providing emergency rescue services to victims. This puts them at risk to a lot of the same diseases as ER doctors, probably more so considering they rarely use gloves, masks, or googles.

Brother_Chris · December 23, 2010, 10:58pm