Deaf Native American Shot by Police

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

I couldn’t imagine ANYONE, regardless of the fact that they could be unaware of the fact that minorities receive the brunt of this shit, regardless of race, regardless of age, voting that law in.

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Correction: You can’t imagine anyone in YOUR GENERATION doing that. I have heard my entire life that blacks only get harassed by cops more because we bring it on ourselves. With thinking like that, it is clear they think it can not happen to them.

If you are over the age of 40 and white, I would think it a rare occurrence for you to be fucked with as much as I have been.[/quote]

I can’t imagine Push, ID, Print, Edgy, TC, DHJT, etc, etc voting in (or if it’s not voted in, agreeing with) that law.

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

I couldn’t imagine ANYONE, regardless of the fact that they could be unaware of the fact that minorities receive the brunt of this shit, regardless of race, regardless of age, voting that law in.

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Correction: You can’t imagine anyone in YOUR GENERATION doing that. I have heard my entire life that blacks only get harassed by cops more because we bring it on ourselves. With thinking like that, it is clear they think it can not happen to them.

If you are over the age of 40 and white, I would think it a rare occurrence for you to be fucked with as much as I have been.[/quote]

I can’t imagine Push, ID, Print, Edgy, TC, DHJT, etc, etc voting in (or if it’s not voted in, agreeing with) that law.

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Oh well, six whole people. I can see why you think the “minority” of the population still remaining would fall in line.

I know for more who over the years flat out told me over and over that it was “our fault”.

Either way, if this wasn’t voted in and still is allowed to become a law, then we have bigger issues.

I do believe that right there would prove that cops do have way too much power.

The legal justification for arresting the “shooter” rests on existing wiretapping or eavesdropping laws, with statutes against obstructing law enforcement sometimes cited. Illinois, Massachusetts, and Maryland are among the 12 states in which all parties must consent for a recording to be legal unless, as with TV news crews, it is obvious to all that recording is underway. Since the police do not consent, the camera-wielder can be arrested. Most all-party-consent states also include an exception for recording in public places where “no expectation of privacy exists” (Illinois does not) but in practice this exception is not being recognized.

Taken from the website linked earlier, like I said not a new law but the manipulation of an existing law.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

I couldn’t imagine ANYONE, regardless of the fact that they could be unaware of the fact that minorities receive the brunt of this shit, regardless of race, regardless of age, voting that law in.

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Correction: You can’t imagine anyone in YOUR GENERATION doing that. I have heard my entire life that blacks only get harassed by cops more because we bring it on ourselves. With thinking like that, it is clear they think it can not happen to them.

If you are over the age of 40 and white, I would think it a rare occurrence for you to be fucked with as much as I have been.[/quote]

I can’t imagine Push, ID, Print, Edgy, TC, DHJT, etc, etc voting in (or if it’s not voted in, agreeing with) that law.

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Oh well, six whole people. I can see why you think the “minority” of the population still remaining would fall in line.

I know for more who over the years flat out told me over and over that it was “our fault”.

Either way, if this wasn’t voted in and still is allowed to become a law, then we have bigger issues.
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Sorry that I didn’t feel like rattling off more names.

The fact that it’s gone this far screams cops have too much power. Not only that, but the fact that the courts recognize this and still allow it.

There’s a whole lot of right here guys. X is right in many ways. Most ways. Or the whole way. I’m the first guy to say let’s see all the evidence before we convict the cop or perp. Many things aren’t the way they are reported initially.

Many times cops are tried wrongfully in the media because they don’t really understand proper procedures. You’d have to be retarded to believe people don’t get roughed up that didn’t deserve it. And many here don’t realize how hard it can be to restrain a guy who’s ranked up, PCPed, or drunk. Or how hard it is to control a crowd.

But it still doesn’t give someone the right to not follow rules. There is a force scale that must be followed. And I’m sure the average white guy has not been on the mistaken side as much as a minority has for a variety of reasons. One reason is the neighborhood I’m sure. I doubt you’ll see something like this at some Fire Company picnic in the town where my office is located. Where the cops know everyone.

But see how some incident happens in nitwhit ville and you’ll find a different story. Maybe some ass clown does get roughed up. Most average white guys don’t care because it’s the same guys getting the treatment every weekend. And most times they deserve it is what the average fellow who never experiences it will say.

Until it happens to them. Or their kid. Or someone else they know. In my small town a Mexican illegal area was beaten to death in a fight. Both sides , four white kids and him could have stopped it. Both yelled insults, which lead to two boys getting convicted on a hate crime. I didn’t agree with this verdict, because both were saying stuff back and forth and the time frame of the fight.

One was tried as a juvenile and one took a deal for his testimony in the criminal assault trial. The defense did a great job and the two remaining youths got just under two years. Some thought it was fair, some thought it was to light, some thought they were innocent. But the dynamics of the trial were they had to prove the other two did the fatal injuries and the defense did this. the Mexican’s friend testified on of the two not on trial delivered the fatal blow.

This didn’t go well with the Feds btw. But the biggie was that initially the cops conspired with these boys on what to do and say. IMO this screwed both of them. If they just took their lumps they probably would have had more time, but not facing 10 years to life in a Federal penitentiary. The cops are facing similar sentences.

And they should. this is not the only thing these guys are being tried for BTW. I guess they thought because he was an illegal alien this was okay. FWIW the guy was dealing drugs in the neighborhood, was sleeping with a fourteen year old girls at the time and had already had knocked up her stepsister twice. He was a real peach and he’s not missed.

But you don’t pull bullshit like this. You do the crime you do the time. The local guys should have locked down the crime scene and called in the State Police. Guess you don’t do that when one kid is the future step son of one of the cops. There was a whole lot of dumbass going around that day.

[quote]tom63 wrote:
I’m the first guy to say let’s see all the evidence before we convict the cop or perp. Many things aren’t the way they are reported initially.
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Which is why this law is bullshit.

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

Having spent plenty of time in PG county[/quote]

PG County in the house bro! Holla when you out near College Park next time.

[quote]Evolv wrote:
I hope you from South Africa are a US citizen, otherwise you have no say anything about this.

With regards to LEOs and their power, they do not have too much power. Just because they carry a weapon does not mean they have more power. I would imagine this officer was held accountable for his actions in this, he is probably fired. A LEO can not just shoot someone, you do not get off the hook because you are a sworn officer lol.

99% of law enforcement are very good at what they do and their cause to the public. Just like anything else, you will have shit birds, they slide through the cracks, and mess up. You see it in politics, military, McDonalds, in medical doctors, everywhere. People get upset, because they do not have that authority that the LEO has; that makes them upset for many reasons, usually because they feel “above” the officer. That is too bad, that officer has a hard ass job and long ass hours for being paid a $35,000 on average salary. Respect them and thank them.

If you were ever in need of help and your life was threatened you would be damn happy to have an officer near you with a ready weapon. This incident was tragic, but it is no different than hearing about a surgeon fucking up a procedure and costing a life-- mistakes happen, and we can only try to learn from them and prevent them from occuring again.[/quote]

I am a US citizen but perhaps you should open your mind and listen to people who have seen a bit of the world.

How the hell do you have 99% of LEO’s being good at what they do unless you are talking about eating donuts.

Like any other human endeavor a few are outstanding and most are half assed. Law enforcement is much more susceptible to having half assed morons in the field than surgery.

The US is for sure a police state, it is tragic that most people don’t see this.

[quote]Vash wrote:

Perhaps referring to them as “first response” is a mistake; they are NOT first response. They will be, at best, second response. We are responsible for our safety and security. I’ll call a cop if someone steals from me something that has a serial number. Aside from that, I don’t see much use in them.[/quote]

Remember how they responded at VT? When people are getting shot at you can be sure the cop is “setting up a perimeter” or hiding behind his car.

Not that I blame them but these people do not run to the sound of gunfire and they do not save lives any more than the average citizen.

I have been in a few situations and the cops refused to do CPR.

[quote]Big Banana wrote:
they do not save lives any more than the average citizen.
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You gotta be kidding me.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

I couldn’t imagine ANYONE, regardless of the fact that they could be unaware of the fact that minorities receive the brunt of this shit, regardless of race, regardless of age, voting that law in.

[/quote]

Correction: You can’t imagine anyone in YOUR GENERATION doing that. I have heard my entire life that blacks only get harassed by cops more because we bring it on ourselves. With thinking like that, it is clear they think it can not happen to them.

If you are over the age of 40 and white, I would think it a rare occurrence for you to be fucked with as much as I have been.[/quote]

If you didn’t want to get hassled you shouldn’t have been black. I mean had tinted windows, failed to signal, …

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

[quote]Vash wrote:
The thing is we are pretty much under video and audio surveillance 24/7 these days. We have cameras and microphones in our cars, at the station, in the watch house and lots of cops now wear them on their person. Then there’s CCTV and anyone who carries a cell phone has an easily accessible camera on them, so you never know when you are being videod.

Doesn’t seem like that’ll be a problem for long - Are Cameras the New Guns?

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This is absolute horse shit.

How the fuck is this even possible?

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See picture above your quote. [/quote]

What are you saying DJ?
If you’re implying that Hillary had anything to do with passing that ban on videotaping LEOs, you’re mistaken. In fact, that article suggested that the law was under the widening arm of the wiretap law that the Bush administration pushed through, and one that Hillary Clinton voted against.

[quote]Big Banana wrote:
I am a US citizen but perhaps you should open your mind and listen to people who have seen a bit of the world.
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lol, I was a Marine man, I feel I’ve seen a considerable part of the world. Thanks for the concern though.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Evolv wrote:

…It should be noted that this Seattle officer is no longer in LE.[/quote]

Yes, but is he in state prison serving a second degree murder conviction?[/quote]

Exactly. My guess is, if any one of us gunned down a man in cold blood for no damn reason, we would not be on the streets simply looking for a new job.[/quote]

I don’t think Officer Birk is quite off the hook yet X.

How it usually works in most jurisdictions when there’s a death by Police is that the matter is both investigated internally by the dept and also by the Coroner. The Coroner can then refer the matter to the DA who will see if there’s enough evidence to lay charges. In the mean time the Dept can dismss or suspend the the officer if they think it’s warranted based on the outcome of their own invest. I may be wrong, but a Doctor accused of causing death to a patient by gross malpractice or negligence would follow a similiar process?

From the video and the little I’ve read on the matter there is a strong suggestion that Birk’s actions were not lawful, justified or excuses and he will most likely face a murder charge.

From what I understand, and gain please correct me if I’m wrong, is Birk faces a fresh IA investigation in January and the coronial is ongoing.

This sad story has a long way to go yet.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

[quote]Vash wrote:
The thing is we are pretty much under video and audio surveillance 24/7 these days. We have cameras and microphones in our cars, at the station, in the watch house and lots of cops now wear them on their person. Then there’s CCTV and anyone who carries a cell phone has an easily accessible camera on them, so you never know when you are being videod.

Doesn’t seem like that’ll be a problem for long - Are Cameras the New Guns?

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This is absolute horse shit.

How the fuck is this even possible?

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See picture above your quote. [/quote]

Please. I am all for a joke, but the reason shit like that exists is because you have half a country who hardly ever experiences this crap because of their skin color or to a lesser degree, age. As a result, they see cops as “positive trusting role models” and not people you should be skeptical of.

There is a reason cops are not trusted in minority communities…and isn’t because all of the minorities are criminals or bad people. It is because we have a LONG history of shit like this happened and cops getting off scot free until cameras popped up everywhere.

NOW, since they are on film and suffering because of it, they get the laws changed because the majority never had a problem to start with.

That isn’t fucking “socialism”. It is the by product of a still racist society that has not outgrown it yet.

You would have to think every instance a minority has complained about this to be false to vote that in OR think it could never happen to you.
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The basic reason the minorities are suspected* is because they are so disproportionately criminal. If it’s racism, it’s rational racism. For the same reason, men are disproportionately targeted as potential suspects in various crimes. Is that awful sexism? No. Men are just more criminal overall. The best thing you can do is go along with it, not try to run and accuse others of racism or sexism because that just makes you look like you have something on your conscience.

In addition, trying to lead people away from the truth causes more victims, including the kind that are afraid to trust their base instincts because they are afraid of being labeled ‘racist’. You don’t have to apologize and make excuses for the scum of your group, and that’s one of the best ways to create trust; by refusing to pretend and make excuses for criminals just because they are classified in the same distant group as you, which does not really connect you at all.

That’s like a white guy seeing over huge numbers of children making vitriolic statements about how child abuse and molestation does not exist or is hugely exaggerated by sexist feminists (not that child abuse is intimately connected to whites, just making an analogue). It might make you think if there’s something going on.

Might be easy for me to say being white but hey, white liberals regularly crucify their own race to be accepted so I imagine it would be possible for true equals.

People did not just decide one day that “Hey, let’s start being wary of blacks because they’re black!” Race is much more than skin colour anyway. They started acting that way because they made observations regarding their behaviour. The same way people learned to be wary of ingesting poisonous substances and predatory animals; experience and observation repeated over and over throughout the ages leading to some conclusions regarding probabilities.

Unfortunately that will lead to innocent minorities and innocent men being targeted as well, but that’s just how it goes. Profiling works, overall.

The country is still majority white yet it is not the whites who do commit most of the homicides and violence. It is blacks. It is not whites who go out of their way to target blacks in their crimes, it’s blacks who kill other blacks. None of this can be explained by racism unless we demand whites to be divine, omnipotent beings who somehow prevent minorities from bumbing into each other at these rates and not only make everything much better for them than they would have without whites, but perfect as well.*

This is sort of similar to the situation in an animal rights debate where animal rights people feel that production animals are oppressed because they are not completely free to roam and may experience discomforts. Never mind that the natural life of an animal is not exactly what Disney portrays it to be. But the animal rights folks can theoretically complain forever about some ‘unnatural’ problem that comes along with guaranteed full meals, veterinary care and protection from predation and fellow competition.

I’m not saying that minorities are non-sentient animals; but that they make the smart move to search for the easier life in a racially alien society which treats them better than their natural one does. They are also smart if they keep making more demands and the host keeps on giving, which is what seems to be happening (and so the money that is poured on immigrant minorities for being minorities, by my country, is so much better than that received by so many born and bred hard workers that it causes bitterness). Whether they can still be respected the same, as people, is a different matter.

*Though it seems the asians don’t complain much and integrate fairly well.
*Complaining about cops mistreating minorities in itself is legitimate IMO. People should complain about that, so the system would perhaps smoothen out and draw closer to the perhaps inattainable goal of perfection. It is only when people make the contention that the race of the cops or the majority race of the land is the problem that I get irritated. As all evidence seems to indicate that minorities, so to speak, are the biggest danger to minorities and provide the least services.

A fact which also makes light of the argument of ‘if only minorities policed each other’ is that the same people who blame the Y-man tend to be highly offended by the suggestion of segregation. In other words, they long for a fantasy that can only be attained by their own people making a huge U-Turn in their ways. Unless being a cop somehow changes the very essence of people, having white cops replaced with black cops would only make life harder for blacks.

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

[quote]Vash wrote:
The thing is we are pretty much under video and audio surveillance 24/7 these days. We have cameras and microphones in our cars, at the station, in the watch house and lots of cops now wear them on their person. Then there’s CCTV and anyone who carries a cell phone has an easily accessible camera on them, so you never know when you are being videod.

Doesn’t seem like that’ll be a problem for long - Are Cameras the New Guns?

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This is absolute horse shit.

How the fuck is this even possible?

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See picture above your quote. [/quote]

What are you saying DJ?
If you’re implying that Hillary had anything to do with passing that ban on videotaping LEOs, you’re mistaken. In fact, that article suggested that the law was under the widening arm of the wiretap law that the Bush administration pushed through, and one that Hillary Clinton voted against.[/quote]

No ID just joking, googled socialism and that pict popped up. Thought was funny and controversial.

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

[quote]Vash wrote:
The thing is we are pretty much under video and audio surveillance 24/7 these days. We have cameras and microphones in our cars, at the station, in the watch house and lots of cops now wear them on their person. Then there’s CCTV and anyone who carries a cell phone has an easily accessible camera on them, so you never know when you are being videod.

Doesn’t seem like that’ll be a problem for long - Are Cameras the New Guns?

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This is absolute horse shit.

How the fuck is this even possible?

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See picture above your quote. [/quote]

What are you saying DJ?
If you’re implying that Hillary had anything to do with passing that ban on videotaping LEOs, you’re mistaken. In fact, that article suggested that the law was under the widening arm of the wiretap law that the Bush administration pushed through, and one that Hillary Clinton voted against.[/quote]

No ID just joking, googled socialism and that pict popped up. Thought was funny and controversial. [/quote]

Well, the thing is there are plenty of people out there dumb enough to believe it. Bush gave the government a shit load of power over the citizens of this country just in privacy invasion alone. However, I see no one referring to him as a SOCIALIST or acting like he was a communist…even though we can attribute much of our current economic situation to the last 10 years of administration before the current one.

That level of bias is ridiculous.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

[quote]Vash wrote:
The thing is we are pretty much under video and audio surveillance 24/7 these days. We have cameras and microphones in our cars, at the station, in the watch house and lots of cops now wear them on their person. Then there’s CCTV and anyone who carries a cell phone has an easily accessible camera on them, so you never know when you are being videod.

Doesn’t seem like that’ll be a problem for long - Are Cameras the New Guns?

[/quote]

This is absolute horse shit.

How the fuck is this even possible?

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See picture above your quote. [/quote]

What are you saying DJ?
If you’re implying that Hillary had anything to do with passing that ban on videotaping LEOs, you’re mistaken. In fact, that article suggested that the law was under the widening arm of the wiretap law that the Bush administration pushed through, and one that Hillary Clinton voted against.[/quote]

No ID just joking, googled socialism and that pict popped up. Thought was funny and controversial. [/quote]

Well, the thing is there are plenty of people out there dumb enough to believe it. Bush gave the government a shit load of power over the citizens of this country just in privacy invasion alone. However, I see no one referring to him as a SOCIALIST or acting like he was a communist…even though we can attribute much of our current economic situation to the last 10 years of administration before the current one.

That level of bias is ridiculous.[/quote]

Its politics, like I said before they all suck. How many pictures have their been about Bush’s intelligence? But that is correct but the one I posted is incorrect? Eye of the beholder.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

[quote]Vash wrote:
The thing is we are pretty much under video and audio surveillance 24/7 these days. We have cameras and microphones in our cars, at the station, in the watch house and lots of cops now wear them on their person. Then there’s CCTV and anyone who carries a cell phone has an easily accessible camera on them, so you never know when you are being videod.

Doesn’t seem like that’ll be a problem for long - Are Cameras the New Guns?

[/quote]

This is absolute horse shit.

How the fuck is this even possible?

[/quote]

See picture above your quote. [/quote]

What are you saying DJ?
If you’re implying that Hillary had anything to do with passing that ban on videotaping LEOs, you’re mistaken. In fact, that article suggested that the law was under the widening arm of the wiretap law that the Bush administration pushed through, and one that Hillary Clinton voted against.[/quote]

No ID just joking, googled socialism and that pict popped up. Thought was funny and controversial. [/quote]

Well, the thing is there are plenty of people out there dumb enough to believe it. Bush gave the government a shit load of power over the citizens of this country just in privacy invasion alone. However, I see no one referring to him as a SOCIALIST or acting like he was a communist…even though we can attribute much of our current economic situation to the last 10 years of administration before the current one.

That level of bias is ridiculous.[/quote]

“Obama is a socialist” == “I can’t stand that a brown-skinned guy is in the white house”

Push is right about SEVERELY limiting police power.