Deaf Native American Shot by Police

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[quote]DJHT wrote:

Its politics, like I said before they all suck. How many pictures have their been about Bush’s intelligence? But that is correct but the one I posted is incorrect? Eye of the beholder. [/quote]

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Have you heard Bush speak? The man is NOT articulate, mispronounces words constantly, and tarred his own image by doing shit like remaining on vacation while an entire city drowned. I understand completely why people think he is less intelligent because they would think the same about ANYONE who acted the same.

I am also not saying the man is stupid. He clearly isn’t, but if I had to guess, I would bet he is nowhere near the smartest presidents we have had in the past and it seems like he can credit his father for where he ended up in life.

How does that relate to calling a man a COMMUNIST or acting like he isn’t American or constantly calling him a “socialist” when the last admin gave MORE power to the government and received none of that?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

Its politics, like I said before they all suck. How many pictures have their been about Bush’s intelligence? But that is correct but the one I posted is incorrect? Eye of the beholder. [/quote]

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Have you heard Bush speak? The man is NOT articulate, mispronounces words constantly, and tarred his own image by doing shit like remaining on vacation while an entire city drowned. I understand completely why people think he is less intelligent because they would think the same about ANYONE who acted the same.

I am also not saying the man is stupid. He clearly isn’t, but if I had to guess, I would bet he is nowhere near the smartest presidents we have had in the past and it seems like he can credit his father for where he ended up in life.

How does that relate to calling a man a COMMUNIST or acting like he isn’t American or constantly calling him a “socialist” when the last admin gave MORE power to the government and received none of that?[/quote]

Sorry X not going to debate politics, Bush was just off the top of my head. I have some family stuff going on with my kids that I really am not in the mood to argue politics. Just know the older I get the more I do NOT TRUST anybody in politics no matter what they are DEM or REP. My only problem with Obama is his health care reform and his religion. I will leave it at that, now back to the LOLZ cause I need the stress relief.

How is the mustang running? My first car was a 1967 mustang with a 351 clevland engine, car would fucking smoke some tires.

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Not taking any sides here but both admins are pushing poor agendas.

The Bush admin institutes a police state and restricts liberties. Creates tax advantages for the wealthy and the foundation for a poor economy - Overly loose monitary policy inflated with robust government spending.

The Obama admin purchases public companies to bail them out and then delivers national healthcare.

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[quote]Loudog75 wrote:
Not taking any sides here but both admins are pushing poor agendas.

The Bush admin institutes a police state and restricts liberties. Creates tax advantages for the wealthy and the foundation for a poor economy - Overly loose monitary policy inflated with robust government spending.

The Obama admin purchases public companies to bail them out and then delivers national healthcare.[/quote]

I agree…but what gets me is how one is seen as “UnAmerican” and the other is seen as “Ultra-American”. If you so much as said something negative about Bush during his admin, you were against America…and were letting the terrorists win…or were simply a hippy.

Now, it is en vogue to talk shit about the president on national tv in derogatory ways and in public conversation that would have never been considered “ok” just 4 years ago.

In my opinion, THAT is unAmerican and disrespectful to the office itself.

In the military, when Bush was in office, you didn’t walk around talking shit about the president outside of REAL FACTS. That seems to have changed.

Calling the president a COMMUNIST is fucking disrespectful to this country and that office…yet they keep doing it.

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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]tmay11 wrote:
I agree with PX and others - Why did the cop even exit the car in the first place? You see an old man hobbling across the street with a block of wood and a little baby knife so you get out and yell at him to drop the knife? Clearly just a man trying to bolster a frail little ego… Pathetic. [/quote]

I have nothing but respect for the way our law enforcement officers put their lives on the line daily. But your statement seems to ring true. I wonder how many guys go into law enforcement because of a low self esteem. Maybe they struck out with girls, or just didn’t cut it socially.
We often hear of the loser nerd in high school eventually becoming a cop or at the least a security guard. The asshole cop in the vid seems to fit that description.[/quote]

i will agree to the “cops put there lives on the line daily” only up to a point. as a nurse in a level one trauma center, cops bring dangerous psycho’s in to us who are mentally disturbed and or altered on various drugs/substances, and un-cuff them and run like little bitches and leave them to us (health care workers) to deal with them by ourselves.

get a grip on the above statement. so a group of cops, beat the shit out of somebody, use their clubs, tazers, etc. bring the combative asshole in to the ED, and leave him unrestrained with a bunch of nurses and doctors?

they run especially fast if the suspect is bleeding or spitting, or pooping/pissing everywhere…god forbid they get an exposure to something nasty and incurable…the cops and fire medics are usually running out of the run while the nurses and doctors are running in.

I have seen some truly pathetic things the local cops here have done.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Guilty77 wrote:
I am in no way justifying what this cop did. He was wrong and should lose his badge or worse (pending investigation). And there are a number of dick cops out there. Shit, there are plenty. But, before you all start shitting on cops (or should I say shitting on cops some more) spend one day in the life of a cop, see how difficult the job is, and then make your accusations. This is not to say shit cops should get let off the hook, but it’s important to have a little understanding of the job.[/quote]

I disagree and do not understand how cops get a pass with this type of thinking. If you go to a medical doctor and he does something to cause the loss of life, my guess is NO ONE is going to be saying, “[quote]spend one day in the life of a doctor, see how difficult the job is, and then make your accusations[/quote]”

They will simply sue and try to destroy his reputation.

How is it police get the “walk in their shoes” bit?[/quote]

good point. this goes for all health care workers, not just doctors.

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[quote]Guilty77 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Guilty77 wrote:

Where the fuck did I say that cops are the only people who deserve understanding? Every profession deserves understanding and “a walk in their shoes” but you are de-fucking-lusional if you think those shoes are the same.
People can very often die under the watch of a doctor, so doctors should treat their patients with seriousness and levity.
Nearly every situation a cop is in is one where his life is at stake. Cops are shot at routine traffic stops, shoplifting scenarios, drive-bys, and beat-walking. So those situations should be approached with the same levity as overtly dangerous ones.

Police officer and doctor are both serious professions, but it’s pretty obvious that police officer is much more dangerous. Diseases don’t pull guns when you’re hand-cuffing them. Diseases don’t lead you on a chase down an alley so their friends can ambush you with a shotgun. [/quote]

No, diseases can simply kill you and one needle stick, blood spatter in the eye or deep scratch by accident could give you AIDs, hepatitis, and several other diseases so please stop acting like a doc’s life is not at risk while on the job. It is and always has been. Bottom line, the life of a doc in an ER IS at risk…so acting like risk of life is the issue that separates them is flimsy at best and completely ignorant to the profession at worst.[/quote]
This is where the walk in their shoes part comes in. If you really think that being an ER doctor is as dangerous as being a police officer, it is clear that YOU are the ignorant one. That’s not to say that ER docs aren’t at risk, but there is a world of difference between them.[/quote]

YOU are a fucking idiot. I cant count how many times a group of cops brought in a combative suspect still kicking and fighting, and because the jail did not want the liability of dealing with any injuries that may have been caused by the arresting officers, they bring him to the ED and RELEASE them.

a nurse got her finger bit OFF by a convict the cops brought in for “chest pains” this was a known violent multi-convicted felon, who also had a history of trying to escape by getting the cops to take her to the hospital, and these guys brought her, in, uncuffed her, and FUCKING LEFT!

please motherfucker, please ask me how many times the local cops have brought in a 5150 (person who may be harm to self or others) and released him/her into the ED’s custody, without even searching them, and later after the cops are long gone we have had a knife, or gun pulled on us?

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[quote]Guilty77 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Guilty77 wrote:

Where the fuck did I say that cops are the only people who deserve understanding? Every profession deserves understanding and “a walk in their shoes” but you are de-fucking-lusional if you think those shoes are the same.
People can very often die under the watch of a doctor, so doctors should treat their patients with seriousness and levity.
Nearly every situation a cop is in is one where his life is at stake. Cops are shot at routine traffic stops, shoplifting scenarios, drive-bys, and beat-walking. So those situations should be approached with the same levity as overtly dangerous ones.

Police officer and doctor are both serious professions, but it’s pretty obvious that police officer is much more dangerous. Diseases don’t pull guns when you’re hand-cuffing them. Diseases don’t lead you on a chase down an alley so their friends can ambush you with a shotgun. [/quote]

No, diseases can simply kill you and one needle stick, blood spatter in the eye or deep scratch by accident could give you AIDs, hepatitis, and several other diseases so please stop acting like a doc’s life is not at risk while on the job. It is and always has been. Bottom line, the life of a doc in an ER IS at risk…so acting like risk of life is the issue that separates them is flimsy at best and completely ignorant to the profession at worst.[/quote]
You do know that cops are first responders on most violent crime scenes, providing emergency rescue services to victims. This puts them at risk to a lot of the same diseases as ER doctors, probably more so considering they rarely use gloves, masks, or googles.[/quote]

this has not been my experience. the cops stand around and wait for fire to start medical treatment. when asked about this (by me), I have heard that due to liability reasons, they are instructed not to intervene until medics arrive.

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[quote]heavythrower wrote:

[quote]Guilty77 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Guilty77 wrote:

Where the fuck did I say that cops are the only people who deserve understanding? Every profession deserves understanding and “a walk in their shoes” but you are de-fucking-lusional if you think those shoes are the same.
People can very often die under the watch of a doctor, so doctors should treat their patients with seriousness and levity.
Nearly every situation a cop is in is one where his life is at stake. Cops are shot at routine traffic stops, shoplifting scenarios, drive-bys, and beat-walking. So those situations should be approached with the same levity as overtly dangerous ones.

Police officer and doctor are both serious professions, but it’s pretty obvious that police officer is much more dangerous. Diseases don’t pull guns when you’re hand-cuffing them. Diseases don’t lead you on a chase down an alley so their friends can ambush you with a shotgun. [/quote]

No, diseases can simply kill you and one needle stick, blood spatter in the eye or deep scratch by accident could give you AIDs, hepatitis, and several other diseases so please stop acting like a doc’s life is not at risk while on the job. It is and always has been. Bottom line, the life of a doc in an ER IS at risk…so acting like risk of life is the issue that separates them is flimsy at best and completely ignorant to the profession at worst.[/quote]
This is where the walk in their shoes part comes in. If you really think that being an ER doctor is as dangerous as being a police officer, it is clear that YOU are the ignorant one. That’s not to say that ER docs aren’t at risk, but there is a world of difference between them.[/quote]

YOU are a fucking idiot. I cant count how many times a group of cops brought in a combative suspect still kicking and fighting, and because the jail did not want the liability of dealing with any injuries that may have been caused by the arresting officers, they bring him to the ED and RELEASE them.

a nurse got her finger bit OFF by a convict the cops brought in for “chest pains” this was a known violent multi-convicted felon, who also had a history of trying to escape by getting the cops to take her to the hospital, and these guys brought her, in, uncuffed her, and FUCKING LEFT!

please motherfucker, please ask me how many times the local cops have brought in a 5150 (person who may be harm to self or others) and released him/her into the ED’s custody, without even searching them, and later after the cops are long gone we have had a knife, or gun pulled on us? [/quote]

I’m glad you posted. He was acting like I didn’t know what I was talking about.

I used to work at Ben Taub Hospital doing interns in high school (we went to a high school that had us working in the hospitals with the docs), and the number of guns/knives that would pop out of nowhere was legendary.

The cops were usually not the ones being attacked.

I would say the average ER doc has a job just as risky (if not more so in some cases) than the average police officer and that isn’t counting the transmission of disease.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]Evolv wrote:

That is too bad, that officer has a hard ass job and long ass hours for being paid a $35,000 on average salary. Respect them and thank them.
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Bull. Fuckin. Shit. at average salary. After 10 years they make over $100,000 in New Jersey. They are public servants so their salary is public as well. I’ll take Lodi, NJ as an example of a blue collar town where the average guy makes about $30,000 . Here’s what cops in that town make WITHOUT overtime:

http://php.app.com/NJpublicemployees/results.php?lastn=&firstn=&location=LODI+BOROUGH&fullname=Police+and+Firemens+Retirement+System&Submit=Search

That’s a blue collar town. If you do a new search and pick a wealthier town, they’re making $120,000 and up after 10 years. Is that average to you?

Ridgewood, NJ:
http://php.app.com/NJpublicemployees/results.php?pageNum_Recordset1=2&totalRows_Recordset1=79&lastn=&firstn=&location=RIDGEWOOD+VILLAGE&fullname=Police+and+Firemens+Retirement+System&Submit=Search

And I can assure you that website is accurate. I’m an employee of a NJ state funded college so my salary is on there too. It’s exactly what I was making in 2008 so it’s dead on.[/quote]

I did not know this. Some of these guys are making more than some doctors in other areas.

I have been hearing about “low wages” for years and simply assumed it was true.
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they make six figures in my town too X, so do firemen.

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don’t know where you live X, but if you lived in my town, I could break into your house, kill you and your family with a hatchet, drink the blood, and have sex with the corpses, and I could get out of jail by saying I have chest pain, or i feel like I am going to harm myself.

not much of an exaggeration.

the cops here arrested a guy for pulling and aiming a loaded 38 at random people downtown on the street, but once in custody, he said the magic words “i want to kill myself”, that got him a 5150 and a trip to the ED, where, you guessed it, he was released to us, and later he had a knife on him that the cops missed, and guess who he pulled that knife on?

The only thing I will take issue with what you said X is that yes, the doctors are at risk, but the nurses, and therapist are at more of a risk, because the doctors have to interact or be in close proximity of these dangerous patients once or twice during the ed stay, nurses, dozens and dozens of times.

just stats, we are at greater risk simply because of the greater number of exposures.

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[quote]heavythrower wrote:
truth. we had a hostage situation, where the cops brought some meth freak because the jail thought he was to high, and did not want the liability, so they released him to us for medical clearance. they did not search him, after the cops left, he pulled a gun and took one of our 90 year old unarmed “security officers” hostage and demanded drugs.

hold on, it gets worse. the cops came, after a long 2-3 hour standoff, the guy surrendered, the police took him back into custody, and later THEY FUCKING BROUGHT HIM BACK AGAIN after he complained of chest pains in jail, and RELEASED HIM TO US

AGAIN!!!

don’t know where you live X, but if you lived in my town, I could break into your house, kill you and your family with a hatchet, drink the blood, and have sex with the corpses, and I could get out of jail by saying I have chest pain, or i feel like I am going to harm myself.

not much of an exaggeration.

the cops here arrested a guy for pulling and aiming a loaded 38 at random people downtown on the street, but once in custody, he said the magic words “i want to kill myself”, that got him a 5150 and a trip to the ED, where, you guessed it, he was released to us, and later he had a knife on him that the cops missed, and guess who he pulled that knife on?

The only thing I will take issue with what you said X is that yes, the doctors are at risk, but the nurses, and therapist are at more of a risk, because the doctors have to interact or be in close proximity of these dangerous patients once or twice during the ed stay, nurses, dozens and dozens of times.

just stats, we are at greater risk simply because of the greater number of exposures.
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In Houston, Ben Taub is the hospital they send the convicts to or people who get arrested and injured…so yeah, I have seen many things like that. It is a dangerous profession…and again, despite having your life at risk, no one is telling others that you need to walk in a doc’s shoes first before you judge him if they have an opportunity to sue…and now that we know that cops make as much as some docs that flimsy excuse makes even less sense.

These guys are getting P A I D and still acting like this.

If you are pulling in 6 figures for pulling people over and handing out speeding tickets, you don’t have the right to complain about how tough your job is or how you aren’t respected.

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Don’t know if this has been posted yet (I stopped reading after the politics/off-topic started), but the preliminary firearms review board found the officer was not justified in his actions.

Officer ordered to surrender weapon and badge (but still remains on routine paid leave).

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also, when put into the context that cops are trained, and armed, and have the authority and hubris to use the training and weapons(tazers, mace, clubs, guns) AND the ability to call for multiple person backups of similarly equipped persons to help them out, then you take into account that they often release these dangerous people into the “custody” of nurses and doctors, who are armed with a stethoscope and wearing pajamas(scrubs)…well, how can I paint a better picture of how fucked up this is, and how little sense this guys posts make?

sigh…

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[quote]SteelyD wrote:
Don’t know if this has been posted yet (I stopped reading after the politics/off-topic started), but the preliminary firearms review board found the officer was not justified in his actions.

Officer ordered to surrender weapon and badge (but still remains on routine paid leave).

Paid leave?

Fuck that. The man should be in jail awaiting trial. NO ONE else would get off like that.

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hahaha! yep. I go and blow some crippled old mans head off and I get paid leave.

we had a guy brought in for suicidal and homicidal idealizations, you guessed, by the police under a 5150(see a pattern here?)

the guy was released into the ed’s custody…6 feet, 200lbs, and later he charged out of his room and kicked a female nurse who was sitting on a stool charting in her back, breaking 3 lumbar vertebrae.

me and a few other male nurses restrained the guy, and the cops were called, they refused to take him into custody, refused to charge him, because of his 5150 status.

i quite sarcastically and blunted told one of the cops what would happen if i went to where his wife worked and kicked and broke his wife’s back, this asshole had the nerve to put his hand on his sidearm and say “what do you think”?

great job of protecting and serving buddy.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Paid leave?

Fuck that. The man should be in jail awaiting trial. NO ONE else would get off like that.[/quote]

I don’t disagree with that.

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[quote]heavythrower wrote:
also, when put into the context that cops are trained, and armed, and have the authority and hubris to use the training and weapons(tazers, mace, clubs, guns) AND the ability to call for multiple person backups of similarly equipped persons to help them out, then you take into account that they often release these dangerous people into the “custody” of nurses and doctors, who are armed with a stethoscope and wearing pajamas(scrubs)…well, how can I paint a better picture of how fucked up this is, and how little sense this guys posts make?

sigh… [/quote]

I remember those days heavy, Doc would just look at me and say knock him down, Vitamin Sucs and Versed. We stopped fighting them, fuck it knock them out, tube them and send them to ICU. I am sure all the ICU nurses fucking hated us. I think I tackled more people when I worked ER than I did when I played football.

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true, we have to get into a small room with these people, and wrestle/fight with them to get them sedated. we usually use ativan, haldol, and benadryl. we call it “re-booting” them.

think about this again, and think hard…

the cops need to use 2-3-4 guys to take a guy down, taz him, mace him, club him, etc. put him in metal shackles, THEN they think it is alright to release him to a bunch of nurses and doctors in a hospital, in a room that that puts this dangerous violent person withen a few feet of sick old people and sick kids???

how the FUCK is this protecting and serving the public. looks to me they are just protecting themselves (using physical force to subdue a violent person when THEY are at risk) and protecting their own self interests (releasing them to medical institutions to limit their liability)

any cops on this forum is more than welcome to respond. I really want to hear what you have to say(not being sarcastic, i really would like to discuss this)

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Hell Heavy that is why I went back to school and got my FNP. I got tired of that stress, we had one pull a vacutainer out of his arm and went after a nurse. Thank the lord the cops had not exited the building and shot and killed the guy, yes in the ER, shot and killed him.