I find it hard recovering with squats & deads in the same week.
Though I tend to pull with more back opposed to legs in deadlifts, so if I swap squats out for them my leg growth suffers…
Back.
[quote]BUSHMASTER wrote:
you mean hip extender. a hip flexor would be your rectus abdominus. yes hams do aid in hip extension but the main muscle is the glutes is the point i was trying to make[/quote]
Your abs don’t flex your hips. Not even a little. Mine don’t either.
Would it be reasonable to do Deadlift & Squat in the same workout?
I was thinking of doing something that but rotating them each time I went to the gym, example:
week 1:
Exercise A) Squat - ramp up to max set of 4-8 reps then a high rep ‘finishing’ set
Exercise B) Deadlift - couple of high rep sets.
week 2:
Exercise A) Deadlift - ramp up to max set of 4-8 reps, then high rep 'finishing set
Exercise B) Squat - couple of high rep sets.
Leg day.
I squat on leg day so I wouldn’t have the energy to give it my best on deadlift. I’d keep them on back day.
If you can I’d suggest that you give yourself at least 2 days without squatting/deadlifting in between each other.
Both of those exercises are taxing on the body if your doing them correctly and pushing yourself 
Sorry if somebody else already brought this up, I didn’t spend the time reading the whole thread.
DG
My back is fried, original recipe, on leg day. For some reason, either through the huge amounts of clen I’m taking or just cus I love doin’ em, I can muster the strength of the God Thor and bust out either some heavy ass deads or high rep deads at the ass end of back day.
Its really user specific, IMO. Thats all I have to say about that.
[quote]RSGZ wrote:
Gregus wrote:
Polish Rifle wrote:
RSGZ wrote:
Holy hell twice a week? I deadlift once every 2 weeks, and that’s just about enough to fully recover.
I deadlift, squat and bench 3 days a week… I’ve been doing so for 6 solid weeks now.
You get used to it.
And you work with close to 90-100% of your weights each time? Im wondering, because one such session for me and i’m very weak for a few days till i recover.
Same here - I used to do it once a week but I wasn’t progressing as fast as I am now as I felt weaker. I cut it back to 2 weeks and it works a charm. That am making sure I eat stupid amounts before gym in the evening.[/quote]
Do you substitute another exercise on the off weeks or do you just skip altogether?
[quote]FightingScott wrote:
Or a Back and Hamstrings workout?
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this is what I do.
I do em on leg day.
guys
many thanks for the feedback, I have mush to think about I see 
appreciate your taking the time
regards
J
[quote]Razorslim wrote:
RSGZ wrote:
Gregus wrote:
Polish Rifle wrote:
RSGZ wrote:
Holy hell twice a week? I deadlift once every 2 weeks, and that’s just about enough to fully recover.
I deadlift, squat and bench 3 days a week… I’ve been doing so for 6 solid weeks now.
You get used to it.
And you work with close to 90-100% of your weights each time? Im wondering, because one such session for me and i’m very weak for a few days till i recover.
Same here - I used to do it once a week but I wasn’t progressing as fast as I am now as I felt weaker. I cut it back to 2 weeks and it works a charm. That am making sure I eat stupid amounts before gym in the evening.
Do you substitute another exercise on the off weeks or do you just skip altogether?
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I’ll usually do some very light, higher rep rack pulls instead.
Also, I’ve noticed that I need to space my back workout even further back from my deadlifts and my back takes ages to recover.
[quote]Goodfellow wrote:
Would it be reasonable to do Deadlift & Squat in the same workout?
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not sure if it’s best for BB application, but I do SQ and DL on the same day right now (following westside method).
part of the reasoning is that a lot of the same muscles are involved.
I do see RDLs on leg day and rack pulls on back day being appropriate.
Someone said earlier that they do DL’s on leg day with a greater emphasis on mid to upper back on back day. Agreed, I do this as well, however, that’s not saying that this is an absolute. Everyone is built differently and has different goals. I for one know that when I deadlift on leg day, I can’t maximize it’s potential when I perform them after multiple heavy sets of squats, so it’s really what you’re after. My 2.
I would do deadlift on back days. At least i do. I find that it works my back much more than it does my legs.
I have a squat day and a deadlift day. On deadlift day, I’ll also do rows, pulldowns and other upper back work.
Which isn’t to say it’s more a back exercise than a leg exercise. But I think it’s more effective to train pulls about 3 days after you squat for some residual leg work.
That’s one of the reasons for the success of bodybuilding-style split routines. There’s natural undulation built in (e.g., train shoulders on monday, chest on thursday, the shoulders get some residual work later in the week after a main hit at the beginning.)
If you consolidate it all into one day, then the quality of whatever you do second will suffer, and you won’t get the benefit of residual work later in the week.
So I say, if you split your training days by bodypart, do it on back day, with RDLs or back extensions, and upper back work.
I would give deads their own day. If you have anything left after dead lifts I would say do some biceps work. The pump is incredible after deads.
I would give deads their own day. If you have anything left after dead lifts I would say do some biceps work. The pump is incredible after deads.
back day!
I heavily load the upper back as well as the posterior chain just by deadlifting. Add in some assistance work, and you’re done.
some favorites for me are:
Romanian deadlift
Bent over row
underhand narrow grip lat pulldown
good morning
barbell power shrug
mid and lower trap work
Bent over row is actually good with this layout because you WANT to work the lower back and posterior chain isometrically, so it’s the perfect exercise.
edit- I also do other upper work in the form of one arm rows, weighted chins, wide grip overhand pulldowns, etc later in the week when I incline press.
The upper back gets worked heavily when I deadlift, so it only makes sense to me to finish off the muscles involved in the movement for max growth and strength.
once my glutes have healed up, I squat later in the week.
In my opinion, it’s important to squat heavy at least once every week! So if deadlifting on the same day is getting in the way of the intensity of your squatting, I personally wouldn’t do it.
It seems to me that a lot of the big bodybuilder guys don’t deadlift so it’s tough to make a comparison with their programs