IMO, nothing beats deficit deads, rack pulls from mid shin, SLDL’s, regular deads and front squats for building your deadlift. Get cock strong on those, and your pull will follow.
Front squats?
Are you of the notion that the quads are significantly recruited during the initial drive off the floor?
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Front squats WOULD help, but then you cant just have him do them. Its quite possible he has sholders signifantly weak to the point where he cant support adequte weiight, well in the means of his goal, it might be like using a rowboat with one paddle. Dont get me wrong i front squat, but i use them more so for my cosmetic purposes as it just shreds out the teardrop
Front squats WOULD help, but then you cant just have him do them. Its quite possible he has sholders signifantly weak to the point where he cant support adequte weiight, well in the means of his goal, it might be like using a rowboat with one paddle. Dont get me wrong i front squat, but i use them more so for my cosmetic purposes as it just shreds out the teardrop[/quote]
Damn, you’re right doood.
He also might not have the hip flexibility to pull from a deficit. And he might have a broken ankle so we can’t tell him to squat.
In fact, without a full physical examination, we can’t recommend that he exercise at all without the OK from a physician… Waht wuz we thinking?!?
Think about a conventional deadlift, think about a box squat… completely different movements. Boffin hit the nail on the head with when they would be effective…
IMO, nothing beats deficit deads, rack pulls from mid shin, SLDL’s, regular deads and front squats for building your deadlift. Get cock strong on those, and your pull will follow.[/quote]
I think you meant Blaze_108. his post was just above mine:)
Front squats WOULD help, but then you cant just have him do them. Its quite possible he has sholders signifantly weak to the point where he cant support adequte weiight, well in the means of his goal, it might be like using a rowboat with one paddle. Dont get me wrong i front squat, but i use them more so for my cosmetic purposes as it just shreds out the teardrop
Damn, you’re right doood.
He also might not have the hip flexibility to pull from a deficit. And he might have a broken ankle so we can’t tell him to squat.
In fact, without a full physical examination, we can’t recommend that he exercise at all without the OK from a physician… Waht wuz we thinking?!?[/quote]
YES!!! SO OP PLEASE GO GET ONE DONE AND LET US KNOW ASAP. DO NOT LIFT ANYMORE UNTIL WE KNOW
I am of two minds about front squats to improve starting power in your pulls.
The logic seems to make sense- front squats teach to generate power in an upright, rock bottom position.
On the other hand. I remember tripling 365 on front squats (belt, no wraps) about 3 years ago. At the time, my best pull was about soemwhere between 500 and 550. Last spring, I ground out a ballbusting, could-barely-fucking-rack-it 386 double on front squats, but I deadlifted a fast 700 and gave 722 a fair ride at a meet the next month. It would seem that the correlation between fronmt squats and deadlifts is somewhat tenous.
[quote]Pinto wrote:
I am of two minds about front squats to improve starting power in your pulls.
The logic seems to make sense- front squats teach to generate power in an upright, rock bottom position.
On the other hand. I remember tripling 365 on front squats (belt, no wraps) about 3 years ago. At the time, my best pull was about soemwhere between 500 and 550. Last spring, I ground out a ballbusting, could-barely-fucking-rack-it 386 double on front squats, but I deadlifted a fast 700 and gave 722 a fair ride at a meet the next month. It would seem that the correlation between fronmt squats and deadlifts is somewhat tenous.[/quote]
To be honest, I’d say if you were front squatting that much, and only pulling 500-550 then your hamstrings must have been SERIOUSLY weak (well weaker than everything else cos those numbers aren’t weak!!).
IMO, nothing beats deficit deads, rack pulls from mid shin, SLDL’s, regular deads and front squats for building your deadlift. Get cock strong on those, and your pull will follow.
Front squats?
Are you of the notion that the quads are significantly recruited during the initial drive off the floor?
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Aren’t you the guy doing deficit deadlifts to try and improve your initial pull off the floor?
Front squats WOULD help, but then you cant just have him do them. Its quite possible he has sholders signifantly weak to the point where he cant support adequte weiight, well in the means of his goal, it might be like using a rowboat with one paddle. Dont get me wrong i front squat, but i use them more so for my cosmetic purposes as it just shreds out the teardrop
Damn, you’re right doood.
He also might not have the hip flexibility to pull from a deficit. And he might have a broken ankle so we can’t tell him to squat.
In fact, without a full physical examination, we can’t recommend that he exercise at all without the OK from a physician… Waht wuz we thinking?!?[/quote]
Hahaha lulz… at least someone got why I was suggesting front squats!
To be honest, I’d say if you were front squatting that much, and only pulling 500-550 then your hamstrings must have been SERIOUSLY weak (well weaker than everything else cos those numbers aren’t weak!!).
Maybe your hammies have just caught up now…[/quote]
No doubt- my upper back, glutes, hamstrings and grip all got a lot stronger to add 150 lbs to my pull. However my ability to straighten my legs from an extreme hairpin bend, and the ability to hold weight balanced between my neck and delts stayed more or less the same. But I guess that’s kind of my point- that the abilities necessary to pull bigger weights seem to be starkly different from what it takes to front squat big weights.
In comparison, I found in an old training log, where I did deficit pull with 475 and missed 495 from when right before I hit 551 in meet three years ago- about a 75 lb difference. I pulled 635 from a deficit and missed 655 last summer right about the time I cracked my first 700 in a meet. As such- I woudl say that deficti pulls do a lot more for a deadlift than front squats.