Why does everyone over complicate the shit out of this stuff? It isn’t that hard. Everyone is going to be different, thats why there isn’t one program that everyone follows. If what your doing is not working, do something else. Deadlifting 6 days a week works for the poster above but that would kill me. I deadlift once a month with excellent results. Find what works for you and do that. Don’t do anything else.
[quote]StormTheBeach wrote:
Why does everyone over complicate the shit out of this stuff? It isn’t that hard. Everyone is going to be different, thats why there isn’t one program that everyone follows. If what your doing is not working, do something else. Deadlifting 6 days a week works for the poster above but that would kill me. I deadlift once a month with excellent results. Find what works for you and do that. Don’t do anything else.[/quote]
Who’s complicating things? We’re having a discussion on what folks do for deadlift. You’re right everyone is different. Maybe what I’m doing now isn’t working so well anymore. I come on here and other forums to get ideas and seek advice from guys like you who have video of themselves pulling 804#- good shit BTW. I pull 600ish so I (and a lot of other folks) need advice from guys who are stronger than me (us).
[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:
I guess I didn’t articulate well enough. May I ask why you deadlift 6 days per week? That’s great that you don’t go all out but why nearly every day? Not arguing that its wrong or anything just weird to me. If one goes “all out” on both movements each session they will stall quickly. You obviously know that as you rotate your movements and you do only 1 work set. You aren’t killing yourself as some folks seem to do.
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I don’t deadlift 6 days a week. I said I use some squat or deadlift variation 6 days a week. Sometimes, this DOES mean sumo DL 2x in one week. Usually it’s 2 DL variations per week, 4 SQ variations per week. It’s working well thus far.
You’re correct though, most people don’t understand that frequency must be inversely related to volume for their programming to have any chance of success, despite all other factors.
[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:
[quote]StormTheBeach wrote:
Why does everyone over complicate the shit out of this stuff? It isn’t that hard. Everyone is going to be different, thats why there isn’t one program that everyone follows. If what your doing is not working, do something else.
Deadlifting 6 days a week works for the poster above but that would kill me. I deadlift once a month with excellent results. Find what works for you and do that. Don’t do anything else.[/quote]
Who’s complicating things? We’re having a discussion on what folks do for deadlift. You’re right everyone is different. Maybe what I’m doing now isn’t working so well anymore.
I come on here and other forums to get ideas and seek advice from guys like you who have video of themselves pulling 804#- good shit BTW. I pull 600ish so I (and a lot of other folks) need advice from guys who are stronger than me (us). [/quote]
You are right. Not over complicating things. Thats the wrong choice of words. Youre also right about being on here to learn more, thats why I am because my bench sucks.
The problem I see is a ton of people offering advice based on some training template theyve only been following for a month and coming off like some kind of expert. Their expertise then becomes the most convoluted fitness jargon imaginiable and the OP is left more f’ed up than he was in the beginning.
Anyway, my 2 cents on this thread, if your deads are lagging, evaluate your situation in this order:
- Does your form suck?
if yes, is it because your upper and/or lower back rounds?
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Are you slow off the floor?
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Are you fast off the floor but your lockout sucks?
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Are 2 and 3 yes because of number 1?
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Does your program suck?
Answer these and then we can start moving in the right direction. Everybody try this, I can only answer yes to number 3.
I think why my deadlift is always stalling is cause I go REAL hard on squat days all the time, and my squat gains are always great they always increase. But I think it taxes me too much, I will deadlift whatever the same week and after a couple weeks I make no progress, or after 3 weeks I will make some, and then completely stall and go backwards.
Fortunately I have realized that completely now and pretty much I can deadlift only once a month, or if I choose to deadlift 2x a month…one day has to be very light (which would just be for speed).
[quote]rasturai wrote:
Fortunately I have realized that completely now and pretty much I can deadlift only once a month, or if I choose to deadlift 2x a month…one day has to be very light (which would just be for speed).
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why DL for speed?
[quote]Wild_Iron_Gym wrote:
Deadlifting from the floor every week is a sure way to stall your progress. Very few people can do it and keep making gains. You can deadlift every week, but you have to rotate 4-5 variants.[/quote]
What if you pull heavy every two weeks? Can you do the variants heavy, too?
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:
I guess I didn’t articulate well enough. May I ask why you deadlift 6 days per week? That’s great that you don’t go all out but why nearly every day? Not arguing that its wrong or anything just weird to me. If one goes “all out” on both movements each session they will stall quickly. You obviously know that as you rotate your movements and you do only 1 work set. You aren’t killing yourself as some folks seem to do.
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I don’t deadlift 6 days a week. I said I use some squat or deadlift variation 6 days a week. Sometimes, this DOES mean sumo DL 2x in one week. Usually it’s 2 DL variations per week, 4 SQ variations per week. It’s working well thus far.
You’re correct though, most people don’t understand that frequency must be inversely related to volume for their programming to have any chance of success, despite all other factors. [/quote]
What does your lifting schedule look like? I’m trying to imagine doing what you’re doing and working in bench work and accessory work into and am having trouble. Obviously, it’s working for you and I’m still trying to figure out what works best for me so that’s why I want to know.
[quote]BidDaddy52 wrote:
this has happened to me aswell, when you guys say dont deadlift every week why is that? Dont you benchpress every week? Is it cause your moving so much weight that every week we should go light or just not deadlift at all?[/quote]
The only CONVENTIONAL bench pressing I do every week is dynamic work…light weight. For maximum effort I’m doing some kind of bench press variant…floor press, board work, maybe overhead press etc. It’s pretty much the same approach for the deadlift. Some weeks the only deadlifting I’m doing is semi-light stuff off of boxes, stiff legs etc. and I’m doing heavy squats instead. I almost never do a heavy squat and deadlift in the same week, there have been a few times but it’s not too typical. Sometimes it’s a situation where we are doing a max front squat for a single or a triple or something and then we move to something to target/condition the lower back and hamstrings like SLDL’s off of a box, and we keep throwing weight on and then it becomes a competition…it’s not usually like this though.
My best guess is that you just need a little recovery time. I can’t see where the bench press is going to stall your deadlift. You might need to change things up in your program, but I can’t see losing a bunch of strength in a short period of time. I would recommend rotating between squat and deadlift variants, pick one or the other for heavy lifting…I don’t pay strict attention but I’d say 1/3 heavy training days is a deadlift day for me. the other 2/3rds are squat variants.
HTH.