Deadlift 700x3 Raw

Training Powerlifting
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[quote]ZEB wrote:
The bigger you are the more weight you should be able to lift. However, pound for pound totals are still very impressive!
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I agree with this on the squat and bench but on the deadlift it doesn’t apply nearly as well. If this were the case then we would see Jeff Lewis or Mike Miller, who are two of the strongest powerlifters lower body-wise in the world, have 1000 lb. deadlifts. They both have sub par deadlifts with their bodyweight over 400 lbs! The funny thing is when Miller got into shape and dropped all that weight his deadlift went up! At some point all the extra bodyweight just messes with your natural leverages.

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[quote]TTewell342 wrote:
RickJames wrote:

Also, to the others, I think Ano just pulled a hair under 900, but I’ll try to look that up. His WPO record is less than 900 I believe, but I’m not sure about his personal best in competition. Magnusson is another one if he hasn’t been mentioned, and Konstantin Konstantinov (sp?) is yet another (947@275, but I guess he’s weak too…frickin’ idiots).

Konstantinovs’ recent 947@275 has got to be the best deadlift ever!! that is an insane fucking weight at 275![/quote]

http://www.gometal.com/videot/konstantin_deadlift_430.wmv

Good form? (no irony, serious question!)

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To say deadlifting 700lbs is not impressive because it is not X times bodyweight is stupid.

In this mindset, the 132’s hitting 405 should be put on a pedestal.

IT IS 700 POUNDS, no matter what you weigh, that is heavy.

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[quote]mattwray wrote:
To say deadlifting 700lbs is not impressive because it is not X times bodyweight is stupid.

In this mindset, the 132’s hitting 405 should be put on a pedestal.

IT IS 700 POUNDS, no matter what you weigh, that is heavy.

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Keep in mind that I stated that his 700 for 3 WAS impressive!

However, I am very much impressed with those who are able to put up more weight relative to their own bodyweight.

Something can be seen from different viewpoints, and still be appreciated.

As to your example of the 132’s hitting 405, well that is impressive as well isn’t it?

Why does one have to be impressive at the expense of the other? a 3x bodyweight deadlift IS impressive. Matters not who is putting up 700, 800 or 900!

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

And if you look at DL records and the like empirically, the answer is NO, a lighter lifter lifting 3x bwt. is NOT more impressive than the big guys moving the truly big weights.[/quote]

In your opinion, which you are certainly entitled to.

I agree, and that reason is that larger men lift heavier weights as a rule.

With all due respect:

You are basically stating that body weight is irrelevant as a factor, and that makes no sense

Franco Columbo deadlifting just over 700 pounds for three reps (which he did) at a bodyweight of 190lbs. is more impressive than a man who is 317 pounds deadlifting 700 for three reps.

If you acknowledge this then you are also acknowledging that bodyweight is a factor. In this case the lack of bodyweight is more impressive.

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I think we forget that this guy is a football player, not a powerlifter. With that being said, that is a very impressive pull. A 700lb deadlift doesn’t mean anything on the field. His job is to get down into position and push other guys around in different directions and not always in the most advantageous position. For him what he does in the weight room is to compliment what he does on the field as in cutting down the risk of injury or shortening the recovery time from injury. In no shape or form is his gym performance any indicator of his on the field play. However, being able to deadlift 700x3 4 months after surgery is extremely impressive as far as recovery goes. You cannot lose sight of the bigger picture.

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The following link shows Gene Bell pulling 766 pounds at a bodyweight of 198. That’s about 3.9 times body weight! Those not impressed with this are only fooling themselves.

Then a photo of Franco Columbo pulling just over 700 pounds. I think his bodyweight was about 190. Another very impressive pull relative to bodyweight and raw poundage as well.

This fairly interesting deadlift article ends with Andy Bolton pulling 900+.

As I have stated previously, it’s all good!

http://www.dieselcrew.com/articles/deadlift101.pdf

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[quote]lifter1 wrote:
I think we forget that this guy is a football player, not a powerlifter. With that being said, that is a very impressive pull. A 700lb deadlift doesn’t mean anything on the field. His job is to get down into position and push other guys around in different directions and not always in the most advantageous position. For him what he does in the weight room is to compliment what he does on the field as in cutting down the risk of injury or shortening the recovery time from injury. In no shape or form is his gym performance any indicator of his on the field play. However, being able to deadlift 700x3 4 months after surgery is extremely impressive as far as recovery goes. You cannot lose sight of the bigger picture.

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Absolutely!

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[quote]mertdawg wrote:
tom63 wrote:
For the record, many guys in light weight classes have done 3-4 X bodyweight deadlifts, but less than ten have done 900. Coan, Wohbler, Heisey, Magnusson, Bolton, Henry, Kaz in an exhibition, and two or three others.

Relative strength ain’t relative. You can’t cry relative strength in the real world.

It’s teh gay as the young ins say.

Reinhoudt and Gary Frank.

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Reinhoudt never did it, but I think Gus what his name did.

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[quote]TTewell342 wrote:
RickJames wrote:

Also, to the others, I think Ano just pulled a hair under 900, but I’ll try to look that up. His WPO record is less than 900 I believe, but I’m not sure about his personal best in competition. Magnusson is another one if he hasn’t been mentioned, and Konstantin Konstantinov (sp?) is yet another (947@275, but I guess he’s weak too…frickin’ idiots).

Konstantinovs’ recent 947@275 has got to be the best deadlift ever!! that is an insane fucking weight at 275![/quote]

I would agree, it just sick.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
TheBodyGuard wrote:

And if you look at DL records and the like empirically, the answer is NO, a lighter lifter lifting 3x bwt. is NOT more impressive than the big guys moving the truly big weights.

In your opinion, which you are certainly entitled to.

we have weight classes for a reason -

I agree, and that reason is that larger men lift heavier weights as a rule.

any attempt to compare the weight on the basis as a factor of one’s mass is meaningless - except if you were doing so on the comparison of two lifters who weighed the same! Case closed.

With all due respect:

You are basically stating that body weight is irrelevant as a factor, and that makes no sense

Franco Columbo deadlifting just over 700 pounds for three reps (which he did) at a bodyweight of 190lbs. is more impressive than a man who is 317 pounds deadlifting 700 for three reps.

If you acknowledge this then you are also acknowledging that bodyweight is a factor. In this case the lack of bodyweight is more impressive.

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Columbo was strong, but I’ve never seen an official meet result for him.

Lamar Gant has done over 600 at 132. He was the first ever to have the squat, bench and dead world record. He might be the only one ever. In the same weight class.

A 190 guy pulling 700 for a triple impresses me more than a 300 lber, but a 150 lb guy pulling 450 is pretty ordinary.

700 lb deadlifts aren’t.

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[quote]tom63 wrote:

A 190 guy pulling 700 for a triple impresses me more than a 300 lber,[/quote]

True!

Ordinary? I wouldn’t go that far.

They would be if larger lifters were as strong pound for pound.

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Pound for pound talks are always funny. It’s almost always started by a small guy with issues so he resorts to the X bodweight talk.

700 x 3 is impressive. It’s not world class for his size, but nonetheless, it’s a lot of weight.

If me, being 225 lbs., can do 7 reps with 2.2 x bodyweight on deadlifts is more impressive than a 700 lb. deadlift for 3 by this 300 lb. guy, then your brain is not functioning properly.

Now, when I pull 3 x bodyweight at the end of the year (goal is 700 at 233), should I expect every 300 lb. guy to pull 900?

No.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
tom63 wrote:

A 190 guy pulling 700 for a triple impresses me more than a 300 lber,

True!

…but a 150 lb guy pulling 450 is pretty ordinary.

Ordinary? I wouldn’t go that far.

700 lb deadlifts aren’t.

They would be if larger lifters were as strong pound for pound.

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I tend to agree with most of the powerlifters on here, I’ve seen some pretty skinny guys at my gym pull over 400, which is decent but not awe-inspiring, and it’s always MUCH more impressive to see a massive powerlifter, of which we have a couple, deadlifting 500-600 for a triple, even if in relative terms it’s not as great a feat.

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Concerning the last post, a “massive powerlifte” deadlifting 500 to 600 for 3 is NOT impressive.

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[quote]MachineAZ wrote:
Pound for pound talks are always funny. It’s almost always started by a small guy with issues so he resorts to the X bodweight talk.

700 x 3 is impressive. It’s not world class for his size, but nonetheless, it’s a lot of weight.

If me, being 225 lbs., can do 7 reps with 2.2 x bodyweight on deadlifts is more impressive than a 700 lb. deadlift for 3 by this 300 lb. guy, then your brain is not functioning properly.

Now, when I pull 3 x bodyweight at the end of the year (goal is 700 at 233), should I expect every 300 lb. guy to pull 900?

No.[/quote]

I remember you from another thread (I think it was the MMA guy squatting) - you’re that funny dude with the false modesty that tosses around big numbers casually because everyone at your gym seems to be capable of these great strength feats. LMFAO.

First, 700x3 IS world class - 700x3 equates to a damn good 1 rep max. This is a rhetorical question b/c I know you don’t know the answer - but I suggest you grab a PLUSA and check the top 100 list in the deadlift to find out where 700+ deadlifts rank. 700+ Squats are a dime a fucking dozen b/c of these ridiculous squat suits - 700+ deadlifts ARE NOT. So again, your perception on the big numbers are skewed - but I’m sure you’ll regal me with tales of several lifters at your gym all capable of exceeding 700!

Next, if I remember correctly, you’re ALSO the dude that just RECENTLY broke the 600 mark in the DL. And you expect to ADD 100lbs to that in how much time?? LOL…with how much Anadrol? LOL

First, I’m no hater - if you make it, god bless you and good luck doing it - one thing we lifters do not have as opposed to catty BB’s who critique each other like two broads talking shit about another’s dress, is that we support each other…b/c in the weights lie the ultimate truth - you either lifted the weight of you didn’t (Well, it used to be like that before these stupid shirts and suits…but you get the point). You’ll either add 100lbs in a year or not.

But still, I laugh at how casual you are about these numbers. It reminds me of MY Cousin Vinny when he cross-examined the grits dude “the law of physics cease to apply in your kitchen!?”

“700x3 not world class” TOO FUCKING FUNNY.

Please pick up a PLUSA and get the top 100.

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[quote]tom63 wrote:
Reinhoudt never did it, but I think Gus what his name did.[/quote]

I think he did it at WSM but on an “odd” implement.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
MachineAZ wrote:
Pound for pound talks are always funny. It’s almost always started by a small guy with issues so he resorts to the X bodweight talk.

700 x 3 is impressive. It’s not world class for his size, but nonetheless, it’s a lot of weight.

If me, being 225 lbs., can do 7 reps with 2.2 x bodyweight on deadlifts is more impressive than a 700 lb. deadlift for 3 by this 300 lb. guy, then your brain is not functioning properly.

Now, when I pull 3 x bodyweight at the end of the year (goal is 700 at 233), should I expect every 300 lb. guy to pull 900?

No.

I remember you from another thread (I think it was the MMA guy squatting) - you’re that funny dude with the false modesty that tosses around big numbers casually because everyone at your gym seems to be capable of these great strength feats. LMFAO.[/quote]

I train at a commercial gym. Your memory is skewed buddy. I don’t know what you mean by “tossing around big numbers”. Possibly I just have a higher standard than you.

For all we know is max is less than 750. At 300+ lbs., this is not world class, sorry. I could look up in PLUSA if all I cared about was powerlifting. But I don’t. I factor in strongman athletes as well. 700 x 3 is pretty impressive, but not world class.

Again, I just think I have a higher standard. I don’t have several lifters at my gym, but I do train with a guy who weighs 260 lbs. and have seen him do 805.

Maybe if you had read the thread you would have seen I stated the 605 was fast and easy. I was good for 635 probably. So I expect to add 65 lbs. in 8 months. I don’t think that is too unreasonable. Not that it’s your business, but it will be sans anadrol.

I’m not casual, I just don’t think it is world class. It’s pretty freaking respectable though.

Again, I don’t base everything off PLUSA. And you might want to realize that PLUSA doesn’t list 3 rep maxes. HA!

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
bigjoey wrote:
koreansuperman wrote:
What’s more impressive…someone who weighs 318 and deadlifts 700 or someone who weighs 175lb and deadlifts 500lb?

Answer: Someone who weighs 318 and deadlifts 700. Weight divisions are for sports so that people don’t have to be bohemoths to compete - in the real world, noone cares how many times your bodyweight you can lift or what your wilkes formula is.

The guy pulling 700lbs is stronger than the guy pulling 500lbs to the tune of 200lbs, period. Ask yourself this: could the guy who weights 175lbs and pulls 500lbs now ever put on enough muscle to pull 700lbs? I would say quite probably not.

Then the 175 pound sprinter is more impressive running a faster 100 meters than the 250 pound guy. Even if he only runs it a half second faster.

True?
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Firstly, there is a much bigger difference between a 200lbs difference in the deadlift and a half a second difference in a 100 meter race. Secondly, the 250 pound guy could probably quite easily, if he chose to do so, lose enough weight to make up that half a second.A more valid comparison would be if the 175lbs guy was running it in 10 seconds and the 250lbs guy (or 320lbs guy) was running it in 13 or 14 seconds, and in that case then yes, the 175lbs guy is more impressive, sorry.

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[quote]MachineAZ wrote:
TheBodyGuard wrote:
MachineAZ wrote:
Pound for pound talks are always funny. It’s almost always started by a small guy with issues so he resorts to the X bodweight talk.

700 x 3 is impressive. It’s not world class for his size, but nonetheless, it’s a lot of weight.

If me, being 225 lbs., can do 7 reps with 2.2 x bodyweight on deadlifts is more impressive than a 700 lb. deadlift for 3 by this 300 lb. guy, then your brain is not functioning properly.

Now, when I pull 3 x bodyweight at the end of the year (goal is 700 at 233), should I expect every 300 lb. guy to pull 900?

No.

I remember you from another thread (I think it was the MMA guy squatting) - you’re that funny dude with the false modesty that tosses around big numbers casually because everyone at your gym seems to be capable of these great strength feats. LMFAO.

I train at a commercial gym. Your memory is skewed buddy. I don’t know what you mean by “tossing around big numbers”. Possibly I just have a higher standard than you.

First, 700x3 IS world class - 700x3 equates to a damn good 1 rep max. This is a rhetorical question b/c I know you don’t know the answer - but I suggest you grab a PLUSA and check the top 100 list in the deadlift to find out where 700+ deadlifts rank. 700+ Squats are a dime a fucking dozen b/c of these ridiculous squat suits - 700+ deadlifts ARE NOT.

For all we know is max is less than 750. At 300+ lbs., this is not world class, sorry. I could look up in PLUSA if all I cared about was powerlifting. But I don’t. I factor in strongman athletes as well. 700 x 3 is pretty impressive, but not world class.

So again, your perception on the big numbers are skewed - but I’m sure you’ll regal me with tales of several lifters at your gym all capable of exceeding 700!

Again, I just think I have a higher standard. I don’t have several lifters at my gym, but I do train with a guy who weighs 260 lbs. and have seen him do 805.

Next, if I remember correctly, you’re ALSO the dude that just RECENTLY broke the 600 mark in the DL. And you expect to ADD 100lbs to that in how much time?? LOL…with how much Anadrol? LOL

Maybe if you had read the thread you would have seen I stated the 605 was fast and easy. I was good for 635 probably. So I expect to add 65 lbs. in 8 months. I don’t think that is too unreasonable. Not that it’s your business, but it will be sans anadrol.

But still, I laugh at how casual you are about these numbers. It reminds me of MY Cousin Vinny when he cross-examined the grits dude “the law of physics cease to apply in your kitchen!?”

“700x3 not world class” TOO FUCKING FUNNY.

Please pick up a PLUSA and get the top 100.

I’m not casual, I just don’t think it is world class. It’s pretty freaking respectable though.

Again, I don’t base everything off PLUSA. And you might want to realize that PLUSA doesn’t list 3 rep maxes. HA!
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Yeah, you ARE the guy - talking some smack about how a 300lb PC wasn’t all that great but we digress - we can stay with this thread instead because there is enough here to hang you.

YOUR STANDARDS LOL…NINJA PLEASE I’m 41 years old and pull in the mid 6’s drug free and I didn’t start PL until I was 30; prior to that I was a 190lb basketball player. Not that I’m setting the world on fire - but I think my standard are quit fine and I’m still making progress. Talk to me when you can still train heavy at 41 - until then you don’t know dick about my standards.

65lbs in a year on your DL drug free? LMFAO. Jeez bro, I hope you get it, but that statement is pretty ignorant in and of itself. I’ll leave it alone because it speaks for itself. If you get it I’ll be the first to say congratulations - sincerely.

And one last thing; I don’t give a hoot what you consider when you mouth off casually about these numbers. DL is a PL lift period end of story. If you want to ignore the thousands upon thousands of lifts under meet conditions by hundreds of lifters - most of them NOT drug free, well then you’re just ignorant. And if you want to compare the VERY few strongman (not a big sport, don’t have big numbers) to the vast majority of PL’s, well then your math aptitude is lacking. First, the strongmen you think of are elite but they are few. And they don’t DL under meet conditions. And I remember a few WSM’s with many a competitor failing to pull mid 700. At 700x3 I think its a safe bet he’s pulling mid 700.

You’re a funny dude…full of piss and vinegar…which is admirable, but you’re still ignorant. And your buddy’s lift at 8 is world class too.

I can’t help but to come back to MY STANDARDS funny dude. I pulled 600 about 8 years ago - LESS THAN ONE YEAR after having neck surgery (laminectomy c3-7 with plates and screws) at Iron Island Gym with Dr. Ken as a witness. And you want to question MY standards - now bro, don’t get me wrong - I aint shit but I know good lifting and I also know most would not be game enough to return to the platform after what I had done.

So keep your dick in your pants before you step on it again. And stop being ignorant and be prepared to discuss, intelligently, your statement that 700x3 aint world class. Because that statement is patently false.