DEA Makes Steroid Bust In Thailand!

Pharma / TRT
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[quote]MrZsasz wrote:
robo1 wrote:
MrZsasz wrote:
I still find it baffling that a person who isn’t in the US, hasn’t been in the US, and still isn’t in the US can be arrested for crimes that are only crimes IN the US.

And does it matter where steroids are from as someone said? They are legal in Thailand. It would be like the RCMP to kick in Biotest’s door for mailing HOT-ROX to Canada because they have Yohimbe. Or the ATF to shut down a bar in Montreal because an 18 year old kick got drunk there but the age of majority is 21 back at his home…

huh? Happens all the time. If you’re selling your product or service in the u.s. illegally or otherwise facilitating a crime that ultimately occurs on u.s. soil, doesn’t matter where you are located, you can be arrested and prosecuted.

For what charge? They weren’t selling their product or service IN the US, they were selling their product TO the US. A huge difference in my books. And all they did was mail items. They didn’t smuggle them in under the cloak of darkness in speedboats, or pack them with coffee in big crates. I didn’t say it didn’t happen, I’m just confused that it does happen. My understanding that the laws of a country don’t apply to other countries.

I thought that was why websites had that whole disclaimer about knowing the laws of your country before ordering. The words being your country being key. Items get stopped at Customs in every country all the time, but they don’t send law enforcement back to that country to get the people, they just stop the product. Even using steroids as an example, would it seem rational that after a US citizen gets stopped at the airport coming back from Thailand with some vials of Test for the US to send agents over to grab the pharmacist, drag him back,and charge him for committing a crime in the USA. Ludicrous but apparently an accepted practice.

And could you imagine if the roles were reversed? China sends a bunch of it’s top men over to the US to arrest certain vocal citizens for speaking out against the Chinese government’s policies and, thus, committing treason and inciting violence. [/quote]

dude there are thousands of foreigners in u.s jails right now for drug trafficking. foreigners who never set foot in the u.s. but once they transacted with u.s. buyers they opened themselves up to charges. this has been standard practice int he u.s. since at least the 1940s.

and even outside of durges, there was the case last year of the ceo of betonsports.com who is british and ran his web site from the caribean and is now in a u.s. prison for violating u.s. gambling laws because most of his customers were americans.

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Man I’m starting to really hate this country’s “culture” and “war on drugs”. Just leave it alone. Or better yet, regulate it and MAKE MONEY for the gov’t from taxing it, like cigarettes. Only allow them to be bought at certain licensed stores with an ID card and/or Dr. permission, but otherwise allow a free market.

Kill three birds with one stone–gov’t gets money, minor’s can’t get the juice, and you kill the black market demand and regulate good quality products as opposed to contaminated or inert product.

Why can’t I be dictator for a day…

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[quote]robo1 wrote:
MrZsasz wrote:
robo1 wrote:
MrZsasz wrote:
I still find it baffling that a person who isn’t in the US, hasn’t been in the US, and still isn’t in the US can be arrested for crimes that are only crimes IN the US.

And does it matter where steroids are from as someone said? They are legal in Thailand. It would be like the RCMP to kick in Biotest’s door for mailing HOT-ROX to Canada because they have Yohimbe. Or the ATF to shut down a bar in Montreal because an 18 year old kick got drunk there but the age of majority is 21 back at his home…

huh? Happens all the time. If you’re selling your product or service in the u.s. illegally or otherwise facilitating a crime that ultimately occurs on u.s. soil, doesn’t matter where you are located, you can be arrested and prosecuted.

For what charge? They weren’t selling their product or service IN the US, they were selling their product TO the US. A huge difference in my books. And all they did was mail items. They didn’t smuggle them in under the cloak of darkness in speedboats, or pack them with coffee in big crates. I didn’t say it didn’t happen, I’m just confused that it does happen. My understanding that the laws of a country don’t apply to other countries.

I thought that was why websites had that whole disclaimer about knowing the laws of your country before ordering. The words being your country being key. Items get stopped at Customs in every country all the time, but they don’t send law enforcement back to that country to get the people, they just stop the product. Even using steroids as an example, would it seem rational that after a US citizen gets stopped at the airport coming back from Thailand with some vials of Test for the US to send agents over to grab the pharmacist, drag him back,and charge him for committing a crime in the USA. Ludicrous but apparently an accepted practice.

And could you imagine if the roles were reversed? China sends a bunch of it’s top men over to the US to arrest certain vocal citizens for speaking out against the Chinese government’s policies and, thus, committing treason and inciting violence.

dude there are thousands of foreigners in u.s jails right now for drug trafficking. foreigners who never set foot in the u.s. but once they transacted with u.s. buyers they opened themselves up to charges. this has been standard practice int he u.s. since at least the 1940s. and even outside of durges, there was the case last year of the ceo of betonsports.com who is british and ran his web site from the caribean and is now in a u.s. prison for violating u.s. gambling laws because most of his customers were americans.

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Okay, once again, I am not disagreeing with you that this happens. I am just pointing out the shear irrationality of such a policy. I can’t tell if you are defending it or just accepting it but do you think your government would stand by if other countries adopted the same policy?

Look at my China example or think of any other one where some country, not your own, were to arrest you for actions that they perceive as crimes. It doesn’t matter if it has been going on since the 40s, that just makes it even more wrong.

And your example of the gaming website owner just proves my point. Adults went to his site, read the disclaimer, chose to ignore it, and broke the law by gambling. Are they all in jail? I doubt it. He offered the services to anyone, it isn’t up to him to know or adhere to the laws of every country in the world, just the one where his business is located.

I am just trying to point out the logical fallacy of such a policy. If they went after steroids dealers, or even users, stateside, well so be it. It is actually breaking the law and people have to take responsibility for their actions as silly as I think the laws happen to be. This, however, is just wrong.

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[quote]Aragorn wrote:
Man I’m starting to really hate this country’s “culture” and “war on drugs”. Just leave it alone. Or better yet, regulate it and MAKE MONEY for the gov’t from taxing it, like cigarettes. Only allow them to be bought at certain licensed stores with an ID card and/or Dr. permission, but otherwise allow a free market. Kill three birds with one stone–gov’t gets money, minor’s can’t get the juice, and you kill the black market demand and regulate good quality products as opposed to contaminated or inert product.

Why can’t I be dictator for a day…[/quote]

Oh, dibs on getting the Secretary of Whores position in your fair but firm government.

Wait, no, make that Admiral of Whores…I’ve always wanted to wear epaulets and medals to work.

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[quote]MrZsasz wrote:

And does it matter where steroids are from as someone said? They are legal in Thailand.

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Steroids are not legal in Thailand without a prescription. Distributing without a prescription is not legal either. Selling unlicensed drugs is illegal, and pharmacies, at least in Bangkok, get busted for this occasionally.

There are surprisingly few anabolic steroids listed in the MIMS Pharmacy reference guide for Thailand. If you know where to go you can get many different kinds of steroids in Thailand, but most of them are smuggled and not licensed. There are also some obvious, and probably not so obvious, fakes sold in pharmacies.

I’ve never heard of anyone getting busted for personal steroid use, but have heard of people getting busted at the airport bringing steroids into Thailand.

You can get all kinds of things that are illegal in Thailand with little effort. Copyright violations are blatantly sold all over the place. Prostitution is illegal, but everyone has heard the stories.

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Im pretty sure why the DEA is screwing with these countries,and the only reason is so they can tell the American public,they actually have a reason for being abroad other than trying to take the publics mind off the war.I trained with the Thai Army.And,you can get pretty much anything you want over there.So why are’nt they looking at the Thai goverment instead of the citizens???I know you read this post and thik,“Well this ass is just another juicer”.I’m not…Although I’ve seen many friends that have…

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[quote]MrZsasz wrote:
robo1 wrote:
MrZsasz wrote:
robo1 wrote:
MrZsasz wrote:
I still find it baffling that a person who isn’t in the US, hasn’t been in the US, and still isn’t in the US can be arrested for crimes that are only crimes IN the US.

And does it matter where steroids are from as someone said? They are legal in Thailand. It would be like the RCMP to kick in Biotest’s door for mailing HOT-ROX to Canada because they have Yohimbe. Or the ATF to shut down a bar in Montreal because an 18 year old kick got drunk there but the age of majority is 21 back at his home…

huh? Happens all the time. If you’re selling your product or service in the u.s. illegally or otherwise facilitating a crime that ultimately occurs on u.s. soil, doesn’t matter where you are located, you can be arrested and prosecuted.

For what charge? They weren’t selling their product or service IN the US, they were selling their product TO the US. A huge difference in my books. And all they did was mail items. They didn’t smuggle them in under the cloak of darkness in speedboats, or pack them with coffee in big crates. I didn’t say it didn’t happen, I’m just confused that it does happen. My understanding that the laws of a country don’t apply to other countries.

I thought that was why websites had that whole disclaimer about knowing the laws of your country before ordering. The words being your country being key. Items get stopped at Customs in every country all the time, but they don’t send law enforcement back to that country to get the people, they just stop the product. Even using steroids as an example, would it seem rational that after a US citizen gets stopped at the airport coming back from Thailand with some vials of Test for the US to send agents over to grab the pharmacist, drag him back,and charge him for committing a crime in the USA. Ludicrous but apparently an accepted practice.

And could you imagine if the roles were reversed? China sends a bunch of it’s top men over to the US to arrest certain vocal citizens for speaking out against the Chinese government’s policies and, thus, committing treason and inciting violence.

dude there are thousands of foreigners in u.s jails right now for drug trafficking. foreigners who never set foot in the u.s. but once they transacted with u.s. buyers they opened themselves up to charges. this has been standard practice int he u.s. since at least the 1940s. and even outside of durges, there was the case last year of the ceo of betonsports.com who is british and ran his web site from the caribean and is now in a u.s. prison for violating u.s. gambling laws because most of his customers were americans.

Okay, once again, I am not disagreeing with you that this happens. I am just pointing out the shear irrationality of such a policy. I can’t tell if you are defending it or just accepting it but do you think your government would stand by if other countries adopted the same policy?

Look at my China example or think of any other one where some country, not your own, were to arrest you for actions that they perceive as crimes. It doesn’t matter if it has been going on since the 40s, that just makes it even more wrong.

And your example of the gaming website owner just proves my point. Adults went to his site, read the disclaimer, chose to ignore it, and broke the law by gambling. Are they all in jail? I doubt it. He offered the services to anyone, it isn’t up to him to know or adhere to the laws of every country in the world, just the one where his business is located.

I am just trying to point out the logical fallacy of such a policy. If they went after steroids dealers, or even users, stateside, well so be it. It is actually breaking the law and people have to take responsibility for their actions as silly as I think the laws happen to be. This, however, is just wrong.
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im not defending the law, just pointing out the risk these guys took. this is how u.s. drug trafficking laws work. hate or love it. the betonsports guy is actually going to be pretty good test case for this, the govt argument is that he actively advertised his gambling sites in the u.s. thus he encouraged others to break the law, which is crime in this country. there are a lot of countries that are standing up for this guy and trying to fight the arrest in international courts, they will probably lose.

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They have been arrested and are being charged with “using the Internet to illegally export steroids to the United States.”

mesomorphosis.com/blog/2008/03/21/
british-dragon-founder-and-redicat-arrested-in-thailand/

This is a pretty good read on the bust.

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You know, in everything I read so far, I have yet to see anything which conclusively states that they found steroids. I’ve heard empty containers and such, it sounds to me like, no matter what your take on the DEA operating in Thailand, some bounds are being overstepped.

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Back again to save the mutha fukin day!

does the DEA take the evil do’ers back to the US and A or do they charge em in Thailand? Are they going to Guantanamo Bay with Harold and Kumar?

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[quote]Cortes wrote:
You know, in everything I read so far, I have yet to see anything which conclusively states that they found steroids. I’ve heard empty containers and such, it sounds to me like, no matter what your take on the DEA operating in Thailand, some bounds are being overstepped.[/quote]

Actually, somewhere in AR’s blog there are pictures from the Thai media of police separating some the paper-bolics that RC used to slang. It was clearly his stuff. Sad sad sad. Not only were these guys straight businessmen they were community volunteers and all around decent fellows.

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[quote]animal4life wrote:
Back again to save the mutha fukin day!

does the DEA take the evil do’ers back to the US and A or do they charge em in Thailand? Are they going to Guantanamo Bay with Harold and Kumar?[/quote]

“They will be extradited to the United States on “charges of using the Internet to illegally export steroids to the United States.””

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[quote]animal4life wrote:
Back again to save the mutha fukin day!

does the DEA take the evil do’ers back to the US and A or do they charge em in Thailand? Are they going to Guantanamo Bay with Harold and Kumar?[/quote]

“They will be extradited to the United States on “charges of using the Internet to illegally export steroids to the United States.””

In my humble opinion they will not be taken to Guantanamo because the govt. actually has something on these guys.

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[quote]MasterfulStroke wrote:

Actually, somewhere in AR’s blog there are pictures from the Thai media of police separating some the paper-bolics that RC used to slang. It was clearly his stuff. Sad sad sad. Not only were these guys straight businessmen they were community volunteers and all around decent fellows.[/quote]

Okay, I saw those pictures and now I understand why they were included.

I can’t wait for the Olympics to be finished.

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Yea, and a new administration too! We’re spending so much on war I don’t see how we can afford to spend money on this type of crap!

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[quote]Petedacook wrote:

In my humble opinion they will not be taken to Guantanamo because the govt. actually has something on these guys.

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It’s sick because you have a point.

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[quote]MrZsasz wrote:
Aragorn wrote:
Man I’m starting to really hate this country’s “culture” and “war on drugs”. Just leave it alone. Or better yet, regulate it and MAKE MONEY for the gov’t from taxing it, like cigarettes. Only allow them to be bought at certain licensed stores with an ID card and/or Dr. permission, but otherwise allow a free market. Kill three birds with one stone–gov’t gets money, minor’s can’t get the juice, and you kill the black market demand and regulate good quality products as opposed to contaminated or inert product.

Why can’t I be dictator for a day…

Oh, dibs on getting the Secretary of Whores position in your fair but firm government.

Wait, no, make that Admiral of Whores…I’ve always wanted to wear epaulets and medals to work.[/quote]

I’ll make you both Admiral of Whores and General of Harems. As long as I get to “approve” the your nominees for employees. Of course, to be fair, pushharder will be a joint Admiral and General. I think he’s got more “under the bar” experience in that area than most people. Not to mention his contacts…

As a side note, I will appoint Bushy, Contrl, Schwarzy, and World to head a Joint Chiefs for Vitamin T. Kinda like the Joint Chiefs of Staff only much much cooler. Their job will be to pimp slap the blue whales, grandstanding politicians, media, DEA heads, and anyone else they deem has too high an estrogen count. And to enact a policy for steroid use that makes sense. As a side task, they will coop with the DEA to kick some ass in the right spots, and return some semblence of sanity to priorities. I will also give Bushy unlimited free first class travel expenses so he can see his better half whenever he wants, and bring her over stateside if he so desires. No sense in causing the man unnecessary heartache if he’s working for the good of our people…

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The DEA should focus their time on worth while things…things effecting the US

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[quote]Aragorn wrote:
MrZsasz wrote:
Aragorn wrote:
Man I’m starting to really hate this country’s “culture” and “war on drugs”. Just leave it alone. Or better yet, regulate it and MAKE MONEY for the gov’t from taxing it, like cigarettes. Only allow them to be bought at certain licensed stores with an ID card and/or Dr. permission, but otherwise allow a free market. Kill three birds with one stone–gov’t gets money, minor’s can’t get the juice, and you kill the black market demand and regulate good quality products as opposed to contaminated or inert product.

Why can’t I be dictator for a day…

Oh, dibs on getting the Secretary of Whores position in your fair but firm government.

Wait, no, make that Admiral of Whores…I’ve always wanted to wear epaulets and medals to work.

I’ll make you both Admiral of Whores and General of Harems. As long as I get to “approve” the your nominees for employees. Of course, to be fair, pushharder will be a joint Admiral and General. I think he’s got more “under the bar” experience in that area than most people. Not to mention his contacts…

As a side note, I will appoint Bushy, Contrl, Schwarzy, and World to head a Joint Chiefs for Vitamin T. Kinda like the Joint Chiefs of Staff only much much cooler. Their job will be to pimp slap the blue whales, grandstanding politicians, media, DEA heads, and anyone else they deem has too high an estrogen count. And to enact a policy for steroid use that makes sense. As a side task, they will coop with the DEA to kick some ass in the right spots, and return some semblence of sanity to priorities. I will also give Bushy unlimited free first class travel expenses so he can see his better half whenever he wants, and bring her over stateside if he so desires. No sense in causing the man unnecessary heartache if he’s working for the good of our people…[/quote]

             Hilarious!
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Sad news indeed.