has anyone on here taken over 60mgs/dbol aday???
I thinking of kickstarting with 60mgs, lastime I used 30mgs and ened with 40mgs.
60mgs a day, huh? Why dont u take ur $ outside and start a nice bonfire with it instead. That is equal to 12 of the old 5mg d-bols a day. I have taken d-bol many times and that is just a rediculous dose. The last time I competed I placed in the top five as a middleweight at the npc usa. I know a lot of national level and a few pro bodybuilders and they all would agree that 60 mgs of d-bol is just a waste. U can grow well on 25 mgs and there is absolutly no reason to take over 40mgs ever. If ur diet is right u can take so much less then ur suggesting. I really think if people knew how to eat they could cut their doses considerably.
That’s my biggest problem getting my diet dialed in. I think your right I don’t know how to eat. Next you’ll probly tell me my 750mg/TestE/Week is to much as well
[quote]dirty99 wrote:
That’s my biggest problem getting my diet dialed in. I think your right I don’t know how to eat. Next you’ll probly tell me my 750mg/TestE/Week is to much as well[/quote]
I think I blazed down around 60-75 once or twice.
Seems I survived and the liver managed to keep pluggin away too. Who’d have thought eh?
Seriously though, the ideal dose for me for gains/sides in a good ratio is 40-50mg/day split 4-5 times/day.
I also think it’s even more beneficial with zero sides as an ergo pre-wkout aid at 25-50mg a shot too. One big blast either before and take the energy/strength increase right away or post and take up the more recovery oriented benefits with protein synthesis etc.
But a lot of guys run it at least at 50mg/day in most cases where you want a big bang out of it.
Just my thoughts on the stuff.
Later
First dbol is cheap as air. 60mg can be run for less than $2 a day so that’s a non-issue. The 17AA bad for your liver myth is also out the window. So the only concern is if your low pumps get too intense IMO. Personally I’ve never exceeded 50mg but I do recommend 50mg for anyone over 200lbs.
Saps, wouldnt you recommend a lower dose for a steroid novice though - simply so they can get to grips with their own ‘tolerance’ to AAS…
Jumping straight in at 50-60mg Dbol, when they may have an unpredictable liver reaction to it, or they may simply sprout big, rubbery breasts… or what not.
(it happens… i have read about it on the interweb. 
)
Seroiusly though…?
JJ
The only way you’re going to find out if it’s right for you is to just run it and see what happens. 100 guys can come in here and give their personal experience and they could all be completely different than yours.
Start at 40, bump up to 60 by the second week and if the sides are too heavy then ease it back to 50, and 40 still if it’s too much.
I re-read the original post, and you are right… 40mg+, as that is where he ended last time. Shit - even starting at 50mg is probably fine here.
I waas thinking of BDE’s thread when i aimed that question at saps, but 40-50mg is perfectly appropriate here IMO.
I am not going to cave in on this, if the d-bol are really 5mgs each and not underdosed, which a lot of shit is now there is absolutly no reason to take 60mgs. I was a national level BB, right at the door of turning pro and I never took 60mgs so why would someone who is a novice to this shit. It is just unnecessary.
Now if you are taking less and it is not working then there is something wrong, the shit is either fake or underdosed, then up it and see what happens. With real d-bol u should feel a considerable difference in about 10 days, a much better pump because I know for a fact that real d-bol ups ur red blood cell count.
I get blood test every 3 months or so and when taking d-bol or anadrol my red blood cell count goes through the roof. You can ignore everything I am telling u, I dont know u and it realy makes no difference to me. But I can garuntee that I have much more experience with this shit then most of these guys telling u to go ahead and take 60mgs a day.
I’ll tell u exactly what is going to happen if you go to a high dose like that, your sides will go up but u will not grow any more then on the 40mgs you took before. Again unless u have bogus shit.
As for the test, no 750mgs is not rediculous although I use less. Try to read up on diet. Get in 6 good meals a day, some shakes if u need to. And take the anabolics at a lower dose while eating perfect. I garuntee it will be the best cycle u ever do.
[quote] Brook wrote:
I re-read the original post, and you are right… 40mg+, as that is where he ended last time. Shit - even starting at 50mg is probably fine here.
I waas thinking of BDE’s thread when i aimed that question at saps, but 40-50mg is perfectly appropriate here IMO.[/quote]
Saps possibly convinced me to use 50mg ED of Dbol as long as I can handle it in terms of sides. If I stay healthy while on that amount and see better gains, then I see no problem. I plan on getting regular blood tests every 6 weeks anyways.
I know you are clued up etc… but i personally (and remember, thats all this is, a personal view) am in the camp of single compound, low-mod dose for a first cycle.
Its only to get a ‘feel’ for results and effect, so your future cycles canbe built from that… i think of the first cycle as a means to an end rather than an end in and of itself.
But seeing as you do not share that view in the slightest, then you may as well go in full bore!
I am sure you wont have any bad sides, you are pretty educated about use of AAS, and you know your own body as it responds to training and diet quite well too.
I guess you are in a rush now you have made the decision to use. I dont blame you, you have got some great genetics to work with!
(i still think you should post a quad shot…! ;p)
Hi-jack over!
I ran 50mgs a day for 25 days by day three i could notice in the mirror i was gaining a lot of size!
By week two i had gone from a X.L tee TO A 2x IT WAS UN REAL but i all so had sore tits.
So beware the gyno and look into some milk thistle i ran 1000mgs with the d-bol drank plenty of water and red berry juices.
Cranberry juice most of the time some fish oil and you should be fine as long as your liver is healthy.
[quote] Brook wrote:
i know you are clued up etc… but i personally (and remember, thats all this is, a personal view) am in the camp of single compound, low-mod dose for a first cycle.
Its only to get a ‘feel’ for results and effect, so your future cycles canbe built from that… i think of the first cycle as a means to an end rather than an end in and of itself.
But seeing as you do not share that view in the slightest, then you may as well go in full bore!
I am sure you wont have any bad sides, you are pretty educated about use of AAS, and you know your own body as it responds to training and diet quite well too.
I guess you are in a rush now you have made the decision to use. I dont blame you, you have got some great genetics to work with!
(i still think you should post a quad shot…! ;p)
Hi-jack over![/quote]
If I ever change my profession, I promise to post pics up of more than you want to see! Haha just kidding… kinda…
lol! get a job as a delivery driver or janitor then… our curiosity is more important than your bloody career - dont you think?
What about when you compete… will you do pics then? I just am really interested to see how you look… your stats are good, but 2 people could have identical stats, but look totally different - to see how your muscle sits etc… you know?
I understand the need for confidentiality however, but there are ways to keep confidential - saps did it with videos!
I’ll stop pushing now…! haha!
[quote]judgeroybean wrote:
I ran 50mgs a day for 25 days by day three i could notice in the mirror i was gaining a lot of size!
By week two i had gone from a X.L tee TO A 2x IT WAS UN REAL but i all so had sore tits.
So beware the gyno and look into some milk thistle i ran 1000mgs with the d-bol drank plenty of water and red berry juices.
Cranberry juice most of the time some fish oil and you should be fine as long as your liver is healthy.[/quote]
I read somewhere that milk thistle does something negative regaurding androgen receptors? I’ll see if I can find the read…
What about this Sam-E stuff for the liver. It’s costly but I know of guys who prefer that over milk thistle, it’s just 5x the price. lol
DG
Here is part of a pub med article.
Milk thistle has been studied in downregulating the androgen receptors in hopes to help with prostate cancer.
[quote]"A number of reports have shown that the polyphenolic flavonoid silymarin (SM) is an effective anticancer agent. [/quote]Agents with novel mechanisms of blocking androgen receptor (AR) function[quote] may be useful for prostate cancer prevention and therapy.
Previous studies showed that silibinin (SB), the major active component of SM, could inhibit cell proliferation of a human prostate cancer cell line, LNCaP, by arresting the cell cycle at the G(1) phase without causing cell death. This study further delineates the potential molecular mechanism by which SM and SB exhibit antiproliferative effects on androgen-responsive prostate cancer cells by inhibiting function of the AR.
We observed that SM and SB inhibited androgen-stimulated cell proliferation as well as androgen-stimulated secretion of both prostate-specific antigen (PSA) and human glandular kallikrein (hK2).
Additionally, for the first time, we show that an immunophilin, FKBP51, is androgen regulated and that this up-regulation is suppressed by SM and SB. We further demonstrate that transactivation activity of the AR was diminished by SM and SB using gene transfer of PSA promoter and hK2 androgen-responsive element constructs.
However, expression and steroid-binding ability of total AR were not affected by SM in western blotting and ligand-binding assays. Intriguingly, we found that nuclear AR levels are significantly reduced by SM and SB in the presence of androgens using western blotting assay and immunocytochemical staining. This study provides a new insight into how SM and SB negatively modulate androgen action in prostate cancer cells."
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What are your guys thoughts on milk thistle.
Not to hijack the thread by any means, but since we are dealing with a liver toxic oral such as methandrostenolone (dbol) and milk thistle has always been the recommended cure for the liver. lol
DG
Sorry to “double hijack” but there are many oral drugs which increase in bioavailability dramatically when taken with grapefruit juice, which inhibits liver enzyme CYP3A4. So much so that patients are told to avoid grapefruit juice specifically when taking certain meds.
I’ve never tried this approach, but during my next cycle I might try introducing grapefruit juice, and seeing if I notice any difference.
It would be nice if 30mgs could “become” 50mgs etc, although I’m not sure of the safety. Perhaps this has all been said and done before, so I apologise if I missed it.
Dave
[quote]Dave_ wrote:
Sorry to “double hijack” but there are many oral drugs which increase in bioavailability dramatically when taken with grapefruit juice, which inhibits liver enzyme CYP3A4. So much so that patients are told to avoid grapefruit juice specifically when taking certain meds.
I’ve never tried this approach, but during my next cycle I might try introducing grapefruit juice, and seeing if I notice any difference.
It would be nice if 30mgs could “become” 50mgs etc, although I’m not sure of the safety. Perhaps this has all been said and done before, so I apologise if I missed it.
Dave
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In my store we sell a “DHB” product. I think it’s “…something dihidroxybergamottin” but i’ll have to go into work to clear it up. It’s pretty much the extract of whatever chemical that’s in grapefruit juice that does what you stated above. the product also has bioperine.
We sell them with all our prohormones, and when people we know do any oral steroid we sell it to them too.
I have never used either for that matter so i couldn’t tell you. I’ll ask some guys and see if any of them have done an oral with the DHB and an oral without, then get back to this.
sorry to hijack by the way guys…
DG
[quote]Dave_ wrote:
Sorry to “double hijack” but there are many oral drugs which increase in bioavailability dramatically when taken with grapefruit juice, which inhibits liver enzyme CYP3A4. So much so that patients are told to avoid grapefruit juice specifically when taking certain meds.
I’ve never tried this approach, but during my next cycle I might try introducing grapefruit juice, and seeing if I notice any difference.
It would be nice if 30mgs could “become” 50mgs etc, although I’m not sure of the safety. Perhaps this has all been said and done before, so I apologise if I missed it.
Dave
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Grapefruit juice absolutely works for drugs metabolised by the liver - i have noticed its effects on benzo’s and oral opioids.
What a great idea! I wish i had thought of it. you are a good lad!
Thanks!
Lol, thanks Brook.
I did wonder “why didn’t I think of this before”. It may not make any difference but I’ll certainly be giving it a try.