The Tri-Fecta

Pharma
1

Here is how i would run one of the classic cycles - assuming i still used anabolics of course, but hopefully it will create some good questions and cease some other, not so good questions.

Cycle:

750mg/wk Testosterone Enanthate
400mg/wk Nandrolone Decanoate
350mg/wk Methandrostenolone

Pattern:

Wk1-10 375mg TE 2x/wk
Wk1-10 200mg ND 2x/wk
Wk1-6 12.5mg DB 4x/dy

I would shoot 700mg of Deca and 950mg of Test on the first day of the first week then carry on the cycle as is planned. This will achieve peak blood levels from the first day… and is the reason that 10 weeks is more than enough.
Another method would be to run the test 12 weeks as a base. The then dbol the first 6 and the deca the last 6 (frontloaded of course) this would keep gains coming throughout the whole cycle and would be a goos way to run with the cycle.
OR - to run the dbol for the LAST 6 weeks rather than the first, giving the cycle a lovely large kick well after the frontloaded test and deca have exerted a large amount of good effect already, requiring a change of some sort.

4x a week of dbol dosing would give a good balance of peak level and stability. Dosing 10x5mg give very stable levels but also very low ones.

I personally would use letrozole at a dose of 0.5-0.75mg a day… probably the latter dose for the dbol portion of the cycle.
I cannot recommend AI doses for others really… some need adex upto 1mg a day with this cycle others 0.25mg EOD.

I have recently become a big proponent of bloods being taken for estrogen management in particular.

Um… what else?

As for caber for the deca… well that is a personal choice and not one that is used often here yet. As prices decrease - just as happened with anastrozole - we shall see its use more frequently.
Letrozole should be a good drug in relation to the progesterone receptor agonising(correct term?) properties of the nandrolone - AND the aromatisation of two of the most aromatisable steroids around.

Oh… and the standard test stasis taper would be very much the PCT of choice here for those wishing to recover, with a 6 week stasis… ie. not blast and cruise/trt.

I personally might choose to eat clean, upto 2g/lb of protein and plenty of carbs but wholegrain and lots of fibre. Low sugar(prei-workout) and sat fats… moderate fats; flax etc.
As a 200lb 5’8" bodybuilder, for some reason i dont need 100,000kcals to grow (;p), but would do well building from 4000kcals and upwards to approx.4700-5000kcals(MAX) of quality food/powders over the 10 weeks and into stasis.

hope this helps - comments, concerns?

Brook

2

[quote] Brook wrote:
Here is how i would run one of the classic cycles - assuming i still used anabolics of course, but hopefully it will create some good questions and cease some other, not so good questions.

Cycle:

750mg/wk Testosterone Enanthate
400mg/wk Nandrolone Decanoate
350mg/wk Methandrostenolone

Pattern:

Wk1-10 375mg TE 2x/wk
Wk1-10 200mg ND 2x/wk
Wk1-6 12.5mg DB 4x/dy

I would shoot 700mg of Deca and 950mg of Test on the first day of the first week then carry on the cycle as is planned. This will achieve peak blood levels from the first day… and is the reason that 10 weeks is more than enough.
Another method would be to run the test 12 weeks as a base. The then dbol the first 6 and the deca the last 6 (frontloaded of course) this would keep gains coming throughout the whole cycle and would be a goos way to run with the cycle.
OR - to run the dbol for the LAST 6 weeks rather than the first, giving the cycle a lovely large kick well after the frontloaded test and deca have exerted a large amount of good effect already, requiring a change of some sort.

4x a week of dbol dosing would give a good balance of peak level and stability. Dosing 10x5mg give very stable levels but also very low ones.

I personally would use letrozole at a dose of 0.5-0.75mg a day… probably the latter dose for the dbol portion of the cycle.
I cannot recommend AI doses for others really… some need adex upto 1mg a day with this cycle others 0.25mg EOD.

I have recently become a big proponent of bloods being taken for estrogen management in particular.

Um… what else?

As for caber for the deca… well that is a personal choice and not one that is used often here yet. As prices decrease - just as happened with anastrozole - we shall see its use more frequently.
Letrozole should be a good drug in relation to the progesterone receptor agonising(correct term?) properties of the nandrolone - AND the aromatisation of two of the most aromatisable steroids around.

Oh… and the standard test stasis taper would be very much the PCT of choice here for those wishing to recover, with a 6 week stasis… ie. not blast and cruise/trt.

I personally might choose to eat clean, upto 2g/lb of protein and plenty of carbs but wholegrain and lots of fibre. Low sugar(prei-workout) and sat fats… moderate fats; flax etc.
As a 200lb 5’8" bodybuilder, for some reason i dont need 100,000kcals to grow (;p), but would do well building from 4000kcals and upwards to approx.4700-5000kcals(MAX) of quality food/powders over the 10 weeks and into stasis.

hope this helps - comments, concerns?

Brook[/quote]

Sounds like a great cycle.

I have actually started using letrozole this cycle, thanks to your mentioning it a number of times and my happening to have a bunch of it and not much anastrozole. I’m happy to say that, though I was wary of its power at first, I am experiencing damn near perfect (perceived) levels of estrogen this time around at .625mg/EOD. I appreciate your suggesting it, as I would never have tried it as last cycle I went too high and killed my libido and found it really hard to recover it for too long after my cycle. I find it easy to gauge my dosage of letrozole now, as the minute I go too high, my sex drive takes a shit on me. I have found that, at my current cycle of 800 test prop / 500 tren ace / 600 mast prop/w that this is just right. For me.

As for your suggested cycle, I would add 50-75mg/d of mesterolone starting pretty early on in the cycle to combat the SHBG buildup you will likely cause from your frontload and the cycle itself.

There are merits to running dbol early and later. From personal experience, I don’t really see all that much difference when you use it in conjunction with test/etc, though I like your reasoning in using it as a final kick after you’ve already frontloaded.

Good stuff, Brook.

3

The tri-fecta, what more do we need to say.
Looks solid my friend.

4

yea man looks good, but i thought you were ON up until your show. have u been cruising recently or are u off now?

5

Brook could you maybe add the dosing protocal for caber I know I should be using the search button, but its early! = )… Also I really like the idea of switching the Dbol to the latter half of the cycle, have you tried that?

EDIT: and after reading your post on my cycle, would you reccommend the caber throughout the full cycle and PCT?

6

Caber i have not used - so take this for what its worth (not much) - i know what i have read up on the drug and its use, and that it has many positive effects on well being, energy, libido (massively) and is anti-prolactin - which i believe is only part of its libido enhancing effect.

I have also read somewhere that prozac - a drug common to us all - is usually such a ‘turn off’ as it heightens prolactin levels and caber is sometimes used for that…

So that known, it would surely be no harm to run it throughout the cycle at the recommended standard dose which is 0.5mg 2x/wk i believe. It is not necessary for deca’s sides… i happen to believe that if i were to run deca it would be very beneficial to me - and it would be beneficial anyway actually as i feel prolactin is an issue with me.

But many are different and there is no need for the drug - THAT SAID, i feel that everyone would get positive effects from it! That was mentioned by a well trusted member here - WHB, BR or someother one…

Dave: I no longer have faith in the security of this site for discussing if i do or dont continue to use AAS - it is obvious i used to, and i still have interest in PED’s.
You have my email :wink:

But this cycle is for ‘educational’ (if i may be so bold) purposes mainly as many lads here are trying a mix of the three; test, deca and dianabol in some combination or other.

Besides - even if i were to run this cycle, i am NOT a fan of reporting each pain or lump or how many pisses i take a day to you lot - nor are you a fan of reading it i believe! In 10 weeks time if i am similar or lower BF and 220 then you know i tried this! :wink:

Brook

7

about your dbol,why 4x a day do you see that much a difference in theory between that and 2x a day?

8

WOW that looks oddly familiar to my notepad for early next years plans! :stuck_out_tongue: lol

I’ve been debating the deca and thinking about frontloading as well… but I’ll be chatting with you via email or pm Brook.

Nice post man.

DG

9

Ha sorry mate, I saw trifecta and immediately thought of the bullshit gear from LG Sciences. Hi-yo!!

10

[quote]MaddyD wrote:
about your dbol,why 4x a day do you see that much a difference in theory between that and 2x a day?
[/quote]

I do, with a 4hour half life, 4x dosing is 16 hours… a usual persons waking hours.

But of course, i doubt (like injecting enanthate 1x/wk over 2x/wk that the difference will be so noticeable that it makes it that important!
Shit, people grow like weeds from sust once a week!

(not that i personally would do that knowing a little about the drugs pharmacokinetics)

B

11

Since this is an educational thread, Brook please tell those that might be doing research why you chose the amount of test and the amount of deca. I have the feeling someone may bastardize this info and think more is better and go 500 Test + 500 Deca or some other crazy combo.

I’d explain it but I don’t have the time nor do I want to steal your thunder on the tri-fecta!

Also, would you please mention about using A-Dex (or even Letro) at an intelligent dose to control E so that caber may not even have to be used. I really like the way you have explained it before and think it fits well in this thread.

12

for educational purposes, could one run NPP (assuming they could find the bloody thing!) at the same dose say 50-60mg/Day with the similar results?

13

I like the looks of that cycle, I might have to add this page to favorites…Nice one Brook.

14

[quote]egnatiosj wrote:
for educational purposes, could one run NPP (assuming they could find the bloody thing!) at the same dose say 50-60mg/Day with the similar results?[/quote]

AFAIK yes, but that is going to throw the frontloading for a loop I suppose.

I little to none about frontloading so Brook is the man for that.

DG

15

waylanderxx,

I used to add to favorites, but the red icon beside the thread name is a great tool to bring you to exactly where you left off last visit. Just make sure you are logged in as your username. It is always best to start at the forum’s home page to see which threads have new posts before wasting time going directly from favorites.

16

[quote]xXDevilDogXx wrote:
Since this is an educational thread, Brook please tell those that might be doing research why you chose the amount of test and the amount of deca. I have the feeling someone may bastardize this info and think more is better and go 500 Test + 500 Deca or some other crazy combo.

I’d explain it but I don’t have the time nor do I want to steal your thunder on the tri-fecta!

Also, would you please mention about using A-Dex (or even Letro) at an intelligent dose to control E so that caber may not even have to be used. I really like the way you have explained it before and think it fits well in this thread.[/quote]

Shit - let me explain, the tri-fecta well precedes my interest in anabolics and that thunder already has sounded long ago.

um… i personally do NOT have the personal experience in the 1:2 or 2:3 ratio of deca to test apparently needed to reduce the libido suppressing effects of deca.
I CAN say this; When i used to run 200mg a week or 250mg a week of deca with 350mg proviron, i would have better (read fine and enhanced libido) wood than when i ran 350mg deca and 350mg proviron. Off cycle wasnt easy recovery however, but test on cycle wont change that either…

I do know that deca and other less androgenic anabolics are added to test to keep a steady increase of drug led gains but to reduce the potential harshness of the test at the higher doses (700test+400deca vs. 1100test for example) - and i remember that i read long ago now that the first drug to be reduced in a stack of test plus anabolic would be… THE TEST! As it is the one more prone to sides! Now, i believe this has changed now due to the ancillaries we have available, namely finasteride etc and arimidex etc… cant wait for SARM’s :wink:
The info i have learned primarily here suggests the opposite in favour of a decent libido and with the con-current use of the ancillaries we have available i would have to agree… although i do still agree that total (exo) test levels should be controlled with a further anabolic.

As for the AI and caber - Caber is primarily for prolactin and is a great sexual aid due to this fact - as i mentioned on this thread or elsewhere it is successfully used to combat the reduced libido during prozac therapy apparently.
Prolactin is increased by Deca by a method i am not sure of at all and i struggle to find the relations between prolactin and progesterone and deca and also tren in all honesty given some info given by BR recently of trenbolones inaffinity to agonise the progesterone receptor.

Arimidex and letro are as we know AI’s, and will combat the conversion of testosterone to estrogen… again apparently, letrozole has anti-progesterogenic effects.
I DO know i had no problem with test and drol with letro but so do many others with no letro and Adex instead so… fuck knows! I just know that more educated and experienced men than myself - not hard might i add - say it is and i believe them.

IIRC, Estrogen, Progesterone and Prolactin are all very closely related (and test of course) and all seem very much connected in their rise and falls.
Increase progesterone and estrogen becomes more potent or effective or agonised or aggravated(?), and it is either the increase of prolactin that then in turn increases progesterone or IIRC it is actually the opposite; the increase of progesterone that in turn increases prolactin. Progesterone is a pain in the arse if this is the case i think…

Gyno wise… estrogen is the main culprit, and is the only hormone one need be concerned with IME, as progesterone induced gyno ALSO needs levels of estrogen present i think. But all of the hormones will make men uncomfortable if the levels of any are higher than natural. Simple as.

Prolactin will and does definitely affect libido negatively, and reducing progesterone will help this i think but caber can be very useful for many. I personally think i would benefit from it (caber) with my need to use certain other non-AAS related drugs.

I am in no way qualified and this info is purely what i have gathered here or elsewhere and what i may have learnt in my own body to be true - to at least me.

:wink:

Brook

17

[quote]egnatiosj wrote:
for educational purposes, could one run NPP (assuming they could find the bloody thing!) at the same dose say 50-60mg/Day with the similar results?[/quote]

I would absolutely be a fan of TP, NPP and dbol. Absolutely.

Daily doses of all of course.

Fast gains… and frontload both still…

Gerdy, i simply used the roid to calculate my cycle frontloads - prop included:

Brook