I’m getting gear together for my third cycle. Would like to start within the next two weeks, but waiting on AI.
My last cycle was test e @500wk with dbol the last two weeks and bridge into pct. Got bloodwork done 6 wks after pct and T levels were just under 600.
This cycle is looking like this:
Wk 1-12 Test E 500mg wk
Wk 1-4 Dbol 40mg a day
Milk thistle and liver support will be used
Wk 15-18 PCT
Pct:
Clomid 100/100/50/50
My question is this…last cycle I bridged dbol up until pct. So would it be beneficial to run dbol wks 1-4, give my liver a break, and run dbol weeks 10-14 up until pct? Or should I just stick to the test throuhg wk 12 and do standard pct protocol? Thanks for you help
Up to you really. I tend to keep orals to a minimum but if I do run them I use them midway through the cycle or more towards the end. Could always bump the test up and stick to 4 weeks with the dbol. I’m assuming you want more out of this cycle since you were thinking dbol in the beginning and end?
My thinking with running an oral at the beginning is to kickstart the cycle while the test E takes 4-5 weeks to get to peak levels being a longer ester.
Last cycle, I ran the dbol at the end because it was supposed to be anavar, but anyway I bridged into my pct and felt great.
With that being said, I have been thinking about running winny instead of dbol. I am carb sensitive and carry water pretty badly, so dbol bloats me pretty badly. So what do you think? Winny or Dbol? I am wanting to see 12-15 lbs after pct on this cycle.
I have never used any test other than enanthate, so how would you pin that? Would you pin the E and the prop on the first day? or start the prop on day 2? I would assume you would want to use a different injection site as well. Not sure how well water based and oil based esters would mix lol
[quote]danman224 wrote:
Thanks, Reed for the advice.
I have never used any test other than enanthate, so how would you pin that? Would you pin the E and the prop on the first day? or start the prop on day 2? I would assume you would want to use a different injection site as well. Not sure how well water based and oil based esters would mix lol[/quote]
it would look like this…
Week 1
Day 1- 1ml of Test E 250 and .75ml of Test Prop 100 mixed in the same syringe injected same location.
Day 2- .75 mg of TP
Day 3- .75 mg of TP
Day 4- 1ml TE and .75ml of TP
Day 5- .75ml of TP
Day 6- .75ml of TP
Day 7- .75ml of TP
Repeat until Test Prop is gone.
Rotate injections sites I would try to have 4-6 injection sites Glute, Guads, and Delts will work fine.
The esters combined to a drug are not water based or oil based. Prop can be suspended oil pretty easily actually. Either way the oil and water won’t technically mix in the syringe. It will look like a lava lap actually but, its perfectly fine to shoot the gear in this state.
I have shot test E in delts, quads, and glutes, but I got a ton of swelling in my delts and took them out of the rotation. It hurt to brush my damn teeth lol
[quote]danman224 wrote:
Thanks, Reed. Good info there.
I have shot test E in delts, quads, and glutes, but I got a ton of swelling in my delts and took them out of the rotation. It hurt to brush my damn teeth lol[/quote]
How much did you shoot, with what size and length pin. Chances are it was the gear not being of the best grade that caused your problem not so much just your felt. Also if you tried pinning 2ml or something first go and that would have caused some pretty good pain.
you the man, Reed. I figured as much, since that how I always gauge it with the enanthate. I’m pretty stoked about this prop. It will be nice to hopefully see some gains sooner that a month in lol
[quote]Reed wrote:
If you looking for a kick start and little water retention I recommend staying away from orals and pick up 20ml of Test Prop and do this…
Weeks 1-4
500mg of Test E
75mg of Test Prop ED
Weeks 5-12
500mg of Test E[/quote]
i like this a lot…
personally, i have never been a fan of front-loading long esters.
Ok today will be a week of 75mg Test prop Ed and test e twice a week at 250mg.
Man have I got “test flu” bad. I’ve run a fever at the beginning of a cycle but only for a few days.
I’ve been taking 4000mg of Vitamin C (1000mg at a time throughout the day) and 200mg of Zinc. Drinking plenty of water, and getting macros in.
Anyone have any suggestions to stop feeling like shit? I’ve heard that prop will give flu like symptoms worse than other esters and it will go away eventually.
[quote]Bdubbs wrote:
This thread is a great read! So you guys normally don’t start taking a AI (adex in my case) until a couple weeks into a test e cycle?[/quote]
I’m still young to the AAS world, but like stated above, it kinda depends on you. This time around I started my AI on day one and I haven’t bloated much and based on how my joints feel, my estrogen isn’t too low. Running .25mg ed.
Been two weeks on the prop, and like Reed said, I got used to the PIP and fever went away. Feels great to be able to see gains after two weeks in. Delts and quads are looking fuller. I know there is some water involved, but I’m up about 6lbs first thing in the morning, and I usually wake up lighter lol
Thanks for the suggestion on the prop Reed. I love it.