I’m considering doing a Dbol Cycle. 4-5 weeks 30mg/daily.
I was wondering what a proper PCT would look like for this type of cycle.
Would you use Novladex, Clomid? Would you use both?
What would be the exact dosage?
My brother has used this cycle and managed to keep about half his gains after his PCT.
I know a lot of people are against oral only cycles. What is the reasoning behind this?
On a different note: I’m finding it difficult to research proper steroid usage. On forms everyone has contradicting opinions? Is there a reputable site where I can read up on this so I don’t go down the wrong path?
20 Years Old
5"7
175lbs
Training for 4 years now
First you are too young to mess with AAS. You will stunt your natural development.
Now I know my little sentence won’t do a dam thing if you are stuck on doing a cycle. So,
The reason for not doing an oral only cycle is as follows, your body needs testosterone if you take ANY AAS you shutdown or severely hinder that natural production. If you take an oral only cycle then there is no testosterone on your system.
In the past people used orals a lot differently that they do know. I assume they just didn’t realize how bad for the liver they are. Now we tend to use orals to kick start a gaining cycle or to break through a plateau at the end of a cycle. We like to limit orals to 6 weeks or less. Really most orals just seem to loose their potentcey around the 4-6 week mark as well.
For PCT we use SERMs that stand for Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator (or something close) and there are two Maine ones clomid and Nolvadex. Most either run just one by itself. A typical PCT of Clomid is 100 mgs a day for two weeks then 50 mgs a day for two weeks. For Nolvadex only PCT it looks like 40 mgs a day for two weeks then 20 mgs a day for two weeks. If you just have it in your head to use both then split that dosage in half. Most guys are getting away from Clomid it just has too many side effects.
If your brother was able to keep half of his gains from a short dbol only cycle then that is most likely because he was not close to his genetic potential. We really should wait until we are at or very VERY close to genetic potential before using any anabolic. That way our bodies get to finish developing naturally.
As far a research goes I have a personal rule, read read read read read. Eventually you will start to see consistent facts with a few odd balls. I take the consistent stuff to most likely be accurate and the odd balls as a moron who didn’t understand. So far I seem to be fairly accurate in my process.
There are some many things you will not realize you are succeptable to until you take steroids. This one last plea for you to wait should hopefully get you thinking. You do not want to be the 21 year old BALD guy at college or just a 21 year old BALD guy.
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I appreciate your response. This definitely has me reconsidering going on a cycle. I have a few questions though.
Would a Test E cycle have the same effect? I’ve read thats a safer option.
Wouldn’t this just be temporary though? Only to be regulated back to normal by the PCT?
I mean, we always hear that men in their 20s should not touch anabolic steroids but if you look at people like Jeff Seid and countless other bodybuilders online, it seems as though its a common practice for younger guys to mess with ASS. They seem to look great, hair and all.
Your 20 dont do a cycle and dont do the stupidest worst cycle ever. Dont ask about Test e. “countless other bodybuilders online” your really exaggerating, its not a countless number and they stay on for life. JUST WAIT god why the rush??
You definitely need to keep reading and researching.
If I understood your questions correctly you asked about a test e only cycle and if it would not also result in you having no testosterone in your system.
I am going to respond with a synopsis of general knowledge. I think I will answer both of your questions this way.
When we take ANY synthetic hormone aka steroid then our natural production is suppressed or completely shutdown. The reason everyone always says take a basic testosterone enanthate or test e cycle is as follows, your body is already use to testosterone so all you will be doing is giving it 5 times it’s natural production (rough estimate of 500 mgs a week). When we do that our body says oh shit I have too much testosterone so I don’t need to make any myself thus the shutdown of natural production. There are other things our body does when we run a cycle but that’s another discussion. We really could run ANY testosterone based cycle for our first run but everyone says test e or testosterone enanthate because you can get away with injecting just once a week but twice a week is better. It’s your first cycle and self injecting takes a little time to get use to so let’s keep the number of shots down for the first time. Now this state of suppressed testosterone production is usually only temporary while on cycle but we don’t have to worry about not having natural testosterone because we are injecting testosterone enanthate. The enanthate, cypionate, propionate, deconate, ect. Is the ester attached to the hormone and it dictates it’s half life, think of it as a time release for the hormone molecule. Enanthate has a 10.5 day half life so we inject 500 mgs and 10.5 days later we have 250mgs still in our body, 10.5 days later we have 125 mgs and so on. When we get to the end of our cycle and it’s time to stop we take our last shot of testosterone enanthate then wait at LEAST 2 weeks or 14 days. We then take a SERM which is usually clomid or Nolvadex. That SERM mimics the way our bodies tell itself to produce testosterone. So as the levels of testosterone enanthate are lowering our natural testosterone production is increasing because of the SERM. Ideally they are timed right so we never have a time of no testosterone in our body.
We are men we need testosterone for our bodies to properly function. We should never do anything that makes it where we have no testosterone in our systems. As you continue to research you will see that the Pro’s or just intelligent people using steroids ALWAYS have at least a minimum amount of testosterone in any cycle. If they are trying to cut hard and diet like a super model they will still have a basic hormone replacement therapy level of testosterone in their cycle. There is a reason for that.
Any oral only cycle will still turn your natural testosterone production off and then you have no testosterone while you are trying to gain muscle. It is just counter productive.
You have made a point about seeing young guys use steroids. The fact is they are stunting their natural development and won’t see the issues until down the road possibly 20 years from now. Ultimately there are guys that have permanent issues with just one cycle. You do not know if you are one of those until after you have the issue.
It’s obvious you want to try steroids, me personally I love em! But you need to get to a point where any possible issue is mitigated. You need to get as close as possible to genetic potential as possible. Otherwise you are paying all this money and risking serious long term health issues for something you could have had naturally. Our testosterone production continues to go up until mid to late 20s like 25-29. Some guys cycle at 21 and never produce more testosterone than what they did at 21. So one cycle at 21 and then they miss out on all the development they could have had from 21-29. Then there is the lower testosterone levels as they age, you don’t want to have the test levels of a 49 year old at age 41 if you can avoid it.
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