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[quote]rainjack wrote:
retailboy wrote:
From John Romano/Muscular Development:
Okay guys, here’s the story. Dave Palumbo and I have pooled our various resources and here is what we know directly or indirectly from people who were on the scene:
Apparently, Amanda was trying to leave Jacobs as she had a bag packed. Jacobs must have gotten furious over her wanting to leave and he beat the shit out out of her, very, very badly - not only was her body racked, but the place was a wreck and there were holes punched in the wall as well as other holes indicating someone was thrown into them. She must have gotten away at one point and locked herself in the bathroom as the door to it was kicked in. At that point it was Amanda who had the gun (probably hers as Jacobs had to surrender all of his when he was arrested) and probably struggled with Jacobs over it and it went off hitting him in the abdomen at close range. He took the gun from her and then shot her three times in the head and face killing her. He then realized what he did and turned the gun on himself and shot himself in the head. That accounts for five of the six shots fired. One was obviously a discharge that probably went off during the struggle.
It is a murder/suicide and that is what the report will say when it eventually comes out. There are many more smaller details that will also come out that might surprise some of you. For right now, the cursory description I just gave will have to suffice. I’m sure we will pick this apart some more on NBR Monday night.
After someone brought up again they think someone murdered them both:
There was no “third person.” Unless you know more than than the cops who were there investigating the scene. Like I said, many more nuances will eventually come out answering all the other doubts. But there is no doubt among those investigating the scene. Jacobs BRUTALLY killed Amanda and then himself. That’s the story - THAT is what happened.
I hope that is all that was going on. But could the timing have been any worse?
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I completely agree.
[quote]retailboy wrote:
David Jacobs was THE United States Steroid Kingpin at the time.
Your forum was about 1 of the 3000 nancy boys in this world.[/quote]
Very interested to know why you think AM was a nancy boy.
I do not give a shit if David Jacons invented steroids, the news story of him being found dead in his house is not relevant to this forum.
[quote]Electric_E wrote:
retailboy wrote:
David Jacobs was THE United States Steroid Kingpin at the time.
Your forum was about 1 of the 3000 nancy boys in this world.
Very interested to know why you think AM was a nancy boy.
I do not give a shit if David Jacons invented steroids, the news story of him being found dead in his house is not relevant to this forum.
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WOW WOW ok hijack time… wait son, Fuck the basis of AM thread vs DJ because as you’ve been explained DJ has more relevance, to continue would be a wast of my time. I’ve supported your thread about AM, even though I know DJ is more relevant I still think your thread should of been posted. Then you come and stomp on my thread saying it should not of been posted. First you were hating on RJ for hating on your thread then you come after ME for posting this one? THAT’S A PERSONAL ATTACK.
Now seriously E, let’s look at this, what you just did to my thread:“…is not relevant to this forum”
Is exactly what RJ did to you.
Can we agree that both our posts, no matter which one was more relevant or whatever. should of been posted without being trashed?
-I really am disappointed you said that, I thought we settled things over PM, this is really not cool if you feel that way.
Blacksnake I would love to hear your opinion on this:
"I’m kinda baffled by so many people’s blind faith in the integrity of the law enforcement officers involved. I’ve seen plenty of corrupt cops in my day and for the most part they cover each other’s asses whenever possible. This is especially true in smaller agencies (according to their website, Plano has 343 sworn officers-kinda wimpy compared to Los Angeles’s 9681, and they’re corrupt as shit) I wouldn’t doubt if many of Plano’s local LE were Jacob’s customers that would face termination if Jacobs ratted them out. How would Plano’s Police Dept like to be put on the map as a bunch of corrupt juicers???
Here is my take on the whole thing. This may have been a murder suicide, but it easily could have been a professional hit as a result of a joint conspiracy between local and/or fed law enforcement and anyone else that had something to lose. Hell, I know guys that would kill someone for a Tombstone Pizza and sixxer of Bud Light. Just imagine what kind of $$$ a pro athlete or an NFL executive would have to offer as payment for a pro hit/cover up. Everyone has a price.
Considering the kind of $$$ the NFL generates, the hit man, cops, investigators, etc all could’ve been bought. Hell, they may not have had a choice??? All parties involved in a conspiracy have lips that would remain sealed because they weren’t keen on meeting a similar fate.
Which would you choose?
(A)Cooperating with the conspiracy, accepting the $$$, and remaining alive.
Or…
(B) Doing the right thing, not accepting $$$, contacting law enforcement, and winding up chillin’ with Jimmy Hoffa somewhere.
I would choose (A), but that’s just me. I’m no martyr.
Even if we get the so called “facts”, the only ones that will know the truth of how things went down are the deceased(and their attacker if one such exists)."
[quote]retailboy wrote:
Electric_E wrote:
retailboy wrote:
David Jacobs was THE United States Steroid Kingpin at the time.
Your forum was about 1 of the 3000 nancy boys in this world.
Very interested to know why you think AM was a nancy boy.
I do not give a shit if David Jacons invented steroids, the news story of him being found dead in his house is not relevant to this forum.
WOW WOW ok hijack time… wait son, Fuck the basis of AM thread vs DJ because as you’ve been explained DJ has more relevance, to continue would be a wast of my time. I’ve supported your thread about AM, even though I know DJ is more relevant I still think your thread should of been posted. Then you come and stomp on my thread saying it should not of been posted. First you were hating on RJ for hating on your thread then you come after ME for posting this one? THAT’S A PERSONAL ATTACK.
Now seriously E, let’s look at this, what you just did to my thread:“…is not relevant to this forum”
Is exactly what RJ did to you.
Can we agree that both our posts, no matter which one was more relevant or whatever. should of been posted without being trashed?
-I really am disappointed you said that, I thought we settled things over PM, this is really not cool if you feel that way.[/quote]
He’s just proving to be the little bitch I said he was.
He evidently has no clue about ORD, or the extensive fall out from it.
Never mind the fact his fucking thread is about something that happened 12 years ago and based on nothing but innuendo and opinion from people who have even less of a clue about AAS that EE, versus something that is going on right now, and the resulting discussion involves people directly involved in the steroid community.
Never mind the fact that this pudknocker knows dick about AAS, has never added a fucking thing to any steroid discussion in this forum, and is far more fluent posting in SAMA and bullshit joke threads in GAL.
The fact is - I called his thread out as being stupid - several months ago, and it hurt his feelings. Now, he wants to equate his ignorance with something that most everyone I have any interaction with is interested in. He’s wrong - and he can’t handle it.
He’s acting like a pissy little bitch. I am sure everyone interested in this will figure out a way to filter out his estrogen-filled little titty fit, and get a lot of useful information.
[quote]retailboy wrote:
Here is my take on the whole thing. This may have been a murder suicide, but it easily could have been a professional hit as a result of a joint conspiracy between local and/or fed law enforcement and anyone else that had something to lose. Hell, I know guys that would kill someone for a Tombstone Pizza and sixxer of Bud Light. Just imagine what kind of $$$ a pro athlete or an NFL executive would have to offer as payment for a pro hit/cover up. Everyone has a price.
Considering the kind of $$$ the NFL generates, the hit man, cops, investigators, etc all could’ve been bought. Hell, they may not have had a choice??? All parties involved in a conspiracy have lips that would remain sealed because they weren’t keen on meeting a similar fate.
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This is exactly what I have been thinking ever since I heard that Savoll’s parents filed a missing person’s report on her 3 hours before the bodies were found in the house.
Jacobs was going to rat out the cops who were his customers as well.
Like the MD report said - he had a shit ton of people that wanted him to sht the hell up.
Gotta wonder why he took the plea without insisting on going into the Witness Protection Program, especially being as big a fish as he was.
And then there is the question as to why the Feds offered him a plea in the first place.
Why would they offer a plea to supposedly the biggest steroid dealer in the US? I though pleas were offered to the little fish to get to the big fish. This seemed to be an offer to go the other direction.
Well…until you throw in the flash, whiz, bang effect of naming NFL players. Feds love flashy busts, and big names.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Gotta wonder why he took the plea without insisting on going into the Witness Protection Program, especially being as big a fish as he was.
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In one of the early links it said that Jacobs asked for protection but was denied because nobody at the DA’s office saw him as a being in danger.
I’d guess they offered a plea to get to who ever was supplying him.
He may have been the biggest in the U.S., but he was being supplied by someone or several someones, somewhere.
They just keep chasing it upwards till they get to the manufacturers, then it’s interpol/joint task forces turn.
[quote]Scott M wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Gotta wonder why he took the plea without insisting on going into the Witness Protection Program, especially being as big a fish as he was.
In one of the early links it said that Jacobs asked for protection but was denied because nobody at the DA’s office saw him as a being in danger.
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The story I got was that he was receiving death threats and asked for protection. Not as part of the plea agreement, but after the fact.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
I’d guess they offered a plea to get to who ever was supplying him.
He may have been the biggest in the U.S., but he was being supplied by someone or several someones, somewhere.
They just keep chasing it upwards till they get to the manufacturers, then it’s interpol/joint task forces turn.
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His powders all came from China. That’s how he was caught - part of ORD back in September. There are no domestic connections as far as the steroids go.
They know exactly where he got his steroid powders from.
I think they offered him a plea in exchange for a tell-all customer list. That makes for much juicier news than just another steroid dealer going to jail.
I just wana say what DJ said earlier last month on a radio show (his side of him giving out names, it has been consistent):
Pretty much he said they knew more about him than he did. They had been watching him for months they knew more about his clients and money in and out than he did. He said WU gave all of his transactions over to the feds.
He said that he didn’t give anyone up, what happened was they would show him the documentation that proved ‘X’ was receiving his services and all he did was confirm it. He said the evidence was too much to deny it. That is the only way he ‘cooperated’ and that in addition to paying a shit load for THE BEST lawyer got him his probation and no jail time.
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I think this is true but he took it one step forward and pointed them out… From people like Dante and Polumbo they say they saw him at a BB show pointing out people in the audience to Feds who they need to bust. And his explanation doesn’t explain the meetings with the NFL and all…
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Scott M wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Gotta wonder why he took the plea without insisting on going into the Witness Protection Program, especially being as big a fish as he was.
In one of the early links it said that Jacobs asked for protection but was denied because nobody at the DA’s office saw him as a being in danger.
The story I got was that he was receiving death threats and asked for protection. Not as part of the plea agreement, but after the fact.
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Yea RJ, that’s what I heard. The girl was actually approached at a club by someone that was going to kill him and her, but she said he wasn’t there and wasn’t seeing him anymore, so he didn’t kill her.
This is straight from her week before this. I would think if they both pleaded for protection they would of gotten it… the cops know what kinda threats and the amount of people wanting to kill him, and the amount of valuable info he had… the cops would of protected him… but then again I don’t know law enforcment that well. But sounds odd.
Clearly The United States is a better society with this man dead and I’m really glad we are stirring up all this hooplah over steroids because there couldn’t possibly be a more pressing concern for the authorities to give this much attention to. Whew, another one down. I’ll sleep better now.
Now official news is coming out it may of actually been a double murder. The weapon the the bullets came from wasn’t found in the house 
More details have been released that there were a lot more stray bullets in the walls than originally thought.
[quote]retailboy wrote:
Now official news is coming out it may of actually been a double murder. The weapon the the bullets came from wasn’t found in the house
More details have been released that there were a lot more stray bullets in the walls than originally thought.[/quote]
I know I said I was out of the steroid forum, but this case is too interesting to stay away from.
What’s your source for this information, retailboy?
I said a couple of weeks ago that I thought they ruled this a murder/suicide WAY too quick.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
I know I said I was out of the steroid forum, but this case is too interesting to stay away from.
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offtopic: haha, youve gone back on your word now so youll have to stick about the place again to save face 
nice to have you back
I found out by listening to Dave P’s show… he said he has inside sources saying it is looking more liek a hit but don’t want to jump the gun at all like they did with the autopsy.
Here is an article mentions the bullets don’t match the gun:
Originally published Saturday, June 7, 2008 at 12:20 a.m.)
Amanda Jo Earhart-Savell’s parents grieve daughter’s death
BY CHRISTIAN RED
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER
Saturday, June 7th 2008, 12:20 AM
Gary and Kathy Earhart gathered with friends and family at their Plano, Tex. home Friday night, devastated parents trying to come to grips with the brutal, high-profile murder of their daughter, Amanda Jo Earhart-Savell.
With hushed voices, they recalled how Amanda, 30, was a gifted athlete and tennis star from an early age, who graduated from Texas Tech on a full tennis scholarship and who had built a successful career as a fitness industry athlete.
“Just a good person,” Kathy Earhart said Friday night.
On Thursday morning, police found their daughter shot to death in the Plano home of convicted steroid dealer David Jacobs, who the Dallas County medical examiner said Friday committed suicide by firing bullets from a 40-caliber pistol into his abdomen and head. He is believed to have first turned the gun on Amanda, although authorities had not yet officially ruled on the cause of Earhart-Savell’s death Friday night. Dallas television station WFAA reported, however, that the Plano police recovered 146 vials of steroids, 10 syringes, scales, bags with steroids and marijuana, several computers, a .22-caliber semiautomatic gun and ammunition from Jacobs�??s home. The police also reportedly found 10 expended .40-caliber bullet casings, 6 expended bullet slugs and a bullet fragment. Jacobs had told authorities and reporters that he hadn’t used steroids since April of 2007.
Her parents said they were certain about what happened, telling the Daily News that their daughter was the victim of a “murder-suicide.”
“He killed our daughter,” Kathy Earhart said, adding that the Earhart family is moving forward with a wrongful death lawsuit against David Jacobs’ family. “In other words, �??If I can’t have you, nobody’s gonna have you.’ That’s pretty much what it was, what he said, what he did. She was trying to get away then. And he wouldn’t allow it.”
Gary and Kathy Earhart had warned their daughter many times in the last few months: Stay away from David Jacobs.
“I had talked to her and told her (Jacobs) was a dead-end street and that the guy was no good and not to be with him,” Gary Earhart told The News. “She said, �??Well, Dad, everybody else has turned their back on him. I just can’t do that.'”
Kathy Earhart added, “This was just a situation, (Jacobs) was a bad person. He just absolutely was bad to the bone.”
Jacobs, 35, met with NFL security officials two weeks ago and reportedly provided names of people to whom he had supplied steroids.
Both Kathy and Gary Earhart said their daughter had been involved with Jacobs for the last six months or so, but that the couple had been “on again, off again” during that stretch. Contrary to reports, the couple had not been engaged, they said.
Just to add something against the ‘murder/suicide’ that I just thought of. He was an ex-marine… I’m sure most people can use common sense and see how that could go against the claims it was murder/suicide.
[quote]retailboy wrote:
I found out by listening to Dave P’s show… he said he has inside sources saying it is looking more liek a hit but don’t want to jump the gun at all like they did with the autopsy.
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Do you have a link to where I can listen to his show?