Poliquin used to be all about the training, now he’s all about the supplements.
Kind of funny.
At first I thought he had dropped Poliquin, but it appears that Ian Danney is considered one of Poliquin’s “associates” according to Poliquin’s website. Also, I wonder what Coach Davies would think of that “4 or 5 plays” and then rest idea. Sounds to me like the Coach would have him doing some GPP so he could play more. Finally, with that sample day, how in the hell does Boston weigh 245 lbs.? If I ate that much, I’d wither away, and I’m only 210.
Ian Danney is one of Poliquin’s associates. Ian was member of Canadian bobsled team in '98? Olympics. Poliquin was his S&C coach at that time. He’s also a strong fast mofo and a helluva nice guy.
You know, if the dimensions mentioned hold while keeping the body fat percentage depicted above, this guy is roughly Arnold’s size during many of his Mr. Olympia victories. I imagine the weight would be more loaded in the wheels, but still. Damn impressive. Even if he eloquently avoided the steroid question.
For all those out there that says Poliquin’s athlete’s are on Steroids, answer this: If you did EVERYTHING exactly right, don’t you think you could have steroid-like gains?
Assume that we are all as gifted neurologically as a professional athlete and genetically gifted as well. Oh, wait, that only happens once in a blue moon.
No one likes to look within at all they are doing wrong. Instead they like to tear others down who have success. I guess it’s just a by product of a bunch of ego driven weightlifters/athletes/bodybuilders who feel envious.
Afterall, I’m frickin’ envious.
My point is that if we were gifted Like Boston, had nutrition and supplementation down to an exact science and trained with Charles Poliquin, we would look like that too.
But we have none of that and point fingers instead.
Rob, just to clarify, I just think he avoided the steroid question well. Whether he uses or not (or has used or not) is purely speculative, and I typically will not say that someone had to have used to get where they are. Going with the odds and saying that someone has probably done this or that is fine, but no one knows but this guy and his trainer(s) and coach(es).
I think he has every right to avoid the steroid question. If he just says “no”, who’s going to believe him if they’d already convinced themselves that he had to begin with?
Some signs that would indicate steroid use are the 25lb increase between two of his seasons along with possible drug use (marijuana) in the past. Now, those two facts could easily go the other way in that he could have cleaned up his lifestyle, thus getting the 25lbs of assuredly mostly lean mass (he’s not toting around love handles).
But whether he did or not is really not important to most discussion. If he did use, then are steroids the reason he’s had success? Hell no. They may have helped, but many people have taken steroids and never reached his physique or athletic goals. To belittle someone’s accomplishments because they have used steroids is petty and bitter. If it’s so easy to use & succeed, then others would be doing it too.
Hell if Steroids gave me guns like that, and his speed… I’d be all over 'em.
I thought this quote was awesome…
“I’ll take 1 or 2 yards, and I’m going to get you 12 yards. I’ll give the guy $100,000 if he tackles me before that. I mean, he’s going to be 180 pounds; I’ll be embarrassed if he tackles me.”
I also like the part where he talks about people making comments about him and bodybuilding. He says he’s not into that, he just wants to be bigger, stronger and faster then the guy across from him. (I like it, because that is why I train)
Cardinal conspiracy? Check out the pipes on Thomas Jones
Jared,
Good points. I have to agree. Please don’t get the impression that my post was in any way directed at you. There’s just this tendency to 1) bashing anyone who makes exceptional gains by saying they used steroids and 2) telling people that athletes that train with certain trainers use steroids.
Why is it that everyone sticks up for Charlie Francis and not Poliquin?
Tony, that’s funny. What’s even funnier if it were true - an organization full of juicers that couldn’t make it to the playoffs. Maybe that Mexican stuff isn’t so good. 
Rob, yeah, I wasn’t sure if your post was directed towards me, but my previous post sounded borderline critical of the guy, and I wanted to make sure that I didn’t come across the wrong way.
Another thing, roids or not, it seems that Boston and his trainer are pretty damn anal (in a good way) about his diet & nutrition. You’d think that’d be the norm for these guys. It’s a shame that it doesn’t seem to be.
I recall reading somewhere(don’t ask me where) Barry Bonds and Barry Zito use a company, that analyzes their blood and produces a vitamin/mineral supplement according to their needs as well.
Seems like this maybe something you’ll see a ton of professional athletes doing in the future.
I think some of that article was hype. 200000 bucks on a trainer per year. Go fuck yourself. Especially when he gets a hycolonic. What a load of shit that is(pun intended). There is no reason for that. I can’t see how it would help…anything. I’m not saying the guy doesn’t bust his ass(opps I guess he does more than bust it). But I’m a bit skeptical of his trainers. Steroids or not he’s a tank. 
Renegade - a lot of pro athletes are going to the blood testing methods. They test your blood for reactions against numerous foods to see which foods you are allergic to and which foods provide a solid anabolic environment. They also give you a reading as to which vit/min you are deficient in. I think they get tested 6x/year or so.
Call me naive, but isn’t the drug testing in the NFL pretty strict (unlike other professional sports). It was my understanding that after the Mandarich incident, they really cracked down on the roids…
The other poster did raise an interesting point, if you were rich (i.e. able to afford 200K for a trainer) and had enough discipline to follow everything he said and eat everything he said, could you create a steroid like effect???
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I don’t think you can come right out and make a comparison between Poliquin and Davies.
Show me a pic of someone Davies has trained, like Poliquin and Dave Boston, and lets talk about his performance in the NFL. I mean, it’s pretty easy to find a pic of Boston from college, and Boston now, so you can see the positive changes Poliquin and his associates wrought.
I am not ragging on Davies, but Poliquin, while arrogant and unapproachable, certainly knows what’s up. His track record with athletes is pretty easily found. Just go to his site. John Davies is pretty secretive about his whole outfit.
Jwright: Do you know how much that costs? No way I could afford it, but I’m curious.
My reference to Davies was regarding Boston only playing 4 or 5 plays in a row, if that much. Simply put, I think Davies would say that this neglects the wheel of conditioning, namely regarding GPP. Just a thought. And yes, I know Davies wraps the members of his crew in anonymity, but in an interview here at T-mag (Strength Training, Bodybuilding & Online Supplement Store - T NATION), Coach talks about Koren Robinson who was 9th pick and should have gone higher. He quit Renegade Training after one day of puking. So there have been some big names, someone on the inside would have to fill you in on All-Pros though.
I honestly have no idea. I know I’ve seen/heard of lots of athletes doing it now. I tried a google search, but just came up with a bunch of studies for specific deficiencies. Oh well, I’m sure someone knows.