[quote]cadav wrote:
Dave:
about EDT… which abs workout do you perfoem?[/quote]
Hi Cadev:
Thanks for the cardio info, I’ll do bike sprints for the interval training think, I can’t stand running (pun intended).
I don’t actually have an abs workout in the traditional sense, but I do perform a lot of deadlifts and back/front squats. Front squats kill my abs!
Diet: I kept carbs quite low for the first week of my cycle (under 50g on off days, under 100g on training days).
For the second week I decided to go for the AD as I mentioned earlier. I’ve kept carbs very low (usually under 10g) with no PWO carbs.
I completely crashed on thursday (felt like I was going to faint all evening) so I supposed I must have finally made “the shift”.
I’ve “carbed up” friday night and this morning, and I’m feeling so lethargic and tired! From what I’ve read this also suggests I had made the shift.
Anyway, I’m loving the AD this time around. I’ve just taken a spike so when I “wake up” I’m going training.
An abbreviated session this time, just legs an chest EDT style 15mins.
PS I missed my 8th IM on friday so I’ve done it today instead (unavoidable, never happened before). Do you think I should hit the next jab tomorrow or stick with EOD even though I missed my shot?
I am thinking to stick 0.5ml in tomorrow and then continue with my 1ml EOD as normal.
I’ll go EOD. a day of “fluctuation” i think it is not a big problem.
For abs… today i have done my “abs+lower back” EDT session…
it is the first time sice i train that i fell my loweback so “worked out”
i have dona “Rocky style abs + good morning” and “crunch + hyperextension”…
wooah!
About diet, this week i lost only 0.5kg
next week i’ll add cardio and (i hope) winny. I have some winny and proviron left from prev cycle… i’m thinking to kick them in… i have to check how much they are…
i also have 20ml of test prop… i think i can do a shorty with it… but which dose?
[quote]cadav wrote:
I’ll go EOD. a day of “fluctuation” i think it is not a big problem.
For abs… today i have done my “abs+lower back” EDT session…
it is the first time sice i train that i fell my loweback so “worked out”
i have dona “Rocky style abs + good morning” and “crunch + hyperextension”…
wooah!
About diet, this week i lost only 0.5kg
next week i’ll add cardio and (i hope) winny. I have some winny and proviron left from prev cycle… i’m thinking to kick them in… i have to check how much they are…
i also have 20ml of test prop… i think i can do a shorty with it… but which dose?
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Thanks Cadev, I’ll stick with EOD as you suggest. 1 day out of 3 weeks should make no difference.
That looks like a killer training session. To do 2 zones for the same bodyparts in one session sounds like agony!
I also have 20ml test prop (100mg/ml) (and 500mg dbol).
I’ve thought about doing 3 weeks at 200mg EOD (so around 700EW)
or
4 weeks at 150ml EOD (so around 500mg EW)
What do you think? Would you be doing anything like this?
Dbol is in 10mg tabs so I’d probably just have 20mg before training because I can’t spread it throughout the day.
Sorry for the lack of updating, I kept getting some apache tomcat error when I try to log on.
Cadev: I’m glad your liking EDT, it’s so versatile and effective, yet dead simple.
I’ve noticed that with each modification Chad Waterbury makes to his philosophy, the closer he gets to EDT.
As for my cycle, I have 1 IM left, then I start PCT 5 days later. This will be 20mg nolva ED for 1 week, which may be extended depending on how “recovered” I feel.
My EDT numbers are still going up - and the AD is working nicely (although I was a bit silly on the carb-load). I took some measurements a couple of days ago and I’m very pleased so far.
I’ll wait until the end of the cycle then take some final measurements and post them up.
I don’t want to post full-body pics on a steroid forum for obvious reasons, but I’ll be posting some cropped comparison pics.
PS. I just had some minced beef, spinach, mushrooms, and cheddar for lunch. I love the AD!
I had my first dose of nolva today (running 20mg for 7 days) so I thought I’d log some results.
Here’s a recap of some measurements and info from earlier;
And now post cycle, measurements are;
upper arm 18 1/4"
waist 34"
So, I’ve lost 1 3/4" from my “love handles”. This has always been my most stubborn area, so I am very pleased with this result. In general I am lot leaner all over, and lots of stubborn areas have diminished somewhat.
Weight decreased by 2lbs only, and strength increased throughout the cycle.
No sexual sides, no acne, no…nothing! I didn’t even get a raise in BP or backpumps from the adrol*, which I attribute to having almost no carbs. I began the cycle V-diet style, and switched to the AD from the beginning of the 2nd week onwards.
*Of course, whilst on the AD I had 2 “carbup” days, after both of which I experienced some mild backpumps for maybe 24hrs.
Please excuse the tininess of the comparison pics - I have some “identifying marks” which I don’t really want on here
[quote]cadav wrote:
nice job dave… nice job
is it possible to see a “front abs” shot?[/quote]
Hey Cadev,
I’ve put a few pics up in my profile. No “abs” showing really though… lol. My stomach is a lot flatter as you can see which is enough for now. My V taper looks a lot better too
My profile is friends only so if anyone wants to see my results just add me.
[quote]InTheZone wrote:
Dave_ wrote:
cadav wrote:
nice job dave… nice job
is it possible to see a “front abs” shot?
Hey Cadev,
I’ve put a few pics up in my profile. No “abs” showing really though… lol. My stomach is a lot flatter as you can see which is enough for now. My V taper looks a lot better too
My profile is friends only so if anyone wants to see my results just add me.
Dave, looking great, I can tell where you leaned out. Looks good. Hey, I can’t add you as a friend, only as a buddy, which won’t allow me to view your profile as I was curious about your other pics from the cycle.
Maybe you can add me as a friend, then I should be able to do likewise. Starting my two weeker oral run Monday. Schwarz's workout is excellent and I'm stoked as all hell about it. Hope you and Cadav get a minute to stop by on it. Take care for now, and happy holidays mate!
ToneBone
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Hey ToneBone,
Sorry mate I assumed you were on my friend’s list already - I’m such a dimwit, lol. Not sure how I let that happen! Anyway you’re on there now, so you can see the proper pics.
I’ve been following your thread, and I’ll certainly be posting soon. The all-oral cycle looks like a pretty powerful boost - I want to ask a couple of Q’s but I’ll save em for your thread.
[quote]cadav wrote:
nice improvement dave… which is the weight of the last pic?
which are your plan to get abs out?[/quote]
Cheers Cadev, I’m not sure how far I want to take the cutting at the moment. It would be nice to see abs but I’m feeling small
I think I’ll follow the maintenance phase on the AD for about another month, which should lean me out slightly before my next test prop + dbol cycle. Then I’ll be staying on AD for that too, but eating to gain! I can’t wait!
My weight in the before pic is 244lbs (I gained a little extra fat during my exams, as you can see from my gut!) and the after pic my weight is 242lbs.
I’m really pleased with the minimal weight loss given the extra leanness.
[quote]cadav wrote:
By now i’m around 90kg and i’m too feeling small… but i want to see my abs
also i’m waiting the gear… once i got it i’ll go harder on cal deficit…
However i have planned a bulking cycle for april ;)[/quote]
Sounds a good plan Cadev, I’m glad to hear about the bulking cycle! Will you be staying on the AD for bulking?
Update: I have 2 days of nolva left to go at 20mg. I hit the gym for the first time today since starting PCT. I’ve started on DC again and beat my logbook
This surprised me due to the fact that christmas kind of ruined my AD adaptation, so I’m doing the conversion again and I feel like shit. I was literally shaking during training, but I still beat all of my PRs.
Libido is fine, no acne, BP is 130/75 (it was about 140/80 before this cycle). Weight has dropped a few lbs since starting PCT but I guess that’s due to me going through the AD conversion again.
Hi Dave…
my stuff seems to be on the road so i think with jan2008 i can start my shorty cuttie cut
About bulking i plan to do a very clean bulk adding carbo (brown rice) and lowering fat. not sure about the cals (my mantain level is 3600) i think around 4200-4500 mainly from whey.
The april bulk will be a “tren ace shorty” with test and maybe mast (to give a try to tren).
I love the “bushy 3 weeks” with plenty of IGF1 in the PCT
I tried AD for bulking a couple of years ago, but it just didn’t happen for me. I ate about 500 over maintenance, but gains (strength and size) were slow compared to a high carb diet.
Now I’ve hit a decent weight I don’t mind gains being slower - especially if I can keep bf% down (I hate cutting!). Plus now I have more money for goodies like steak, so bulking might be easier
May I ask, what is your reason for lowering fats on cycle? Do we not need as many fats due to hormone replacement? Do you think the AD on a bulking cycle is a poor idea?
I really like the sound of your bulker - I’d love to try tren ace sometime.
My next bulker is going to be test prop + dbol. This will be my first time on dbol so I’m going with a low 20/30mg dose.
as far as i know fats have a key role with our hormones system. However if the hormones are not build my our body they are not so usefull. I don’t mind to lower them too much just use a classic high carb diet ie a diet where fats are mantained at minimum needed and are choosed among “good fats” like EFA etc etc. This help me in taking down fat increase during bulking.
I don’t like AD during bulking because it lacks of carbo and so insulin.
I’ll wait for your bulk log i never used dbol (but i love tbol) and i want to know which effects it has on a buddy like you whom looks like me in goals
BTW 20/30mg seems a bit too small (IMHO).
[quote]cadav wrote:
as far as i know fats have a key role with our hormones system. However if the hormones are not build my our body they are not so usefull. I don’t mind to lower them too much just use a classic high carb diet ie a diet where fats are mantained at minimum needed and are choosed among “good fats” like EFA etc etc. This help me in taking down fat increase during bulking.
I don’t like AD during bulking because it lacks of carbo and so insulin.
I’ll wait for your bulk log i never used dbol (but i love tbol) and i want to know which effects it has on a buddy like you whom looks like me in goals
BTW 20/30mg seems a bit too small (IMHO).
How many calories do you need to “mantains”? [/quote]
Thanks for the info Cadev. As I’m new to AAS, I feel like a n00b in some areas.
Your point about insulin is a good one - I doubt the weekend carbup on the AD is the most effective use of insulin on AAS.
A big reason for me to keep carbs down on AAS is that my blood pressure doesn’t go up and I don’t get backpumps.
I think I might start off on the AD for my next cycle, but allow myself extra carb-up days depending on how they effect backpumps (not good for my job).
I need around 3500kcals to maintain, so I plan on eating around 4500kcals on cycle.
I agree 20/30g does sound a bit low - may I ask how might you use 500g dbol on a 3 weeker with test prop?
I was thinking of just using it before training because I have quite a small amount. I could have gotten more but I don’t know how it effects me yet, so I’m just testing the waters
AD: as Di Pasquale says you need 5 days off carbo to have the “trick” working. However the author suggest to use up to 100-120gr of carbo in training days. So with the AD and appropriate carbo-timing i think you can avoid pressure problem. I’m a lucky bastard… my heart rate is stable as a mountain and I really don’t know what backpump feels like… I think i’m a bit Neanderthal Also ephedra and clen don’t give me any problem.
DBOL: as any oral you have to use it ED. So i suggest to equally divide the DBOL in 21 doses it means ~25mg ED. It is a very small doses but it should me safe and you should not get any sides. You should use it only for the first 10days… but i think it is not a good ide a on a short cycle… Test P. kick in very fast you dont need to use a “kicker”…
I dont know how many test do you have but about DBOl use it in equal dose for the entire cycle (my 2 cents) OR try it at 50mg ED and if you like it buy the needed to complete cycle (or stop it for this cycle and consider it as a test and nothing more).
About me i plan to use in my next cut cycle:
test prop (i have20ml)
masteron prop (on the way) 100mg EOD
winny (on the way) 50mg ED
Ephedrine (my very last treasure from the box of wonder ie 40caps at 40mg)
IGF+nolva (PCT)
i should have enough stuff for a nice cut cycle… still don’t know if 3 or 5 weeks long (depende on the masteron) i’ll also reduce calories and add Animal Cuts (21 days cycle)…
As soon as i get all the stuff i’ll complete the planning and opening a new thread to log/discuss. My target is to lose at least 5-8% far it means 4/7kg of fat
