I loved Bane’s voice. Yes, there were times i didn’t understand him, but I still loved his voice.
I also think the ending is meant to be an unanswerable question. Is Bruce Wayne dead or alive? There is no answer, just like the top at the end of Inception. Did it topple or not? There is no answer.
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
[quote]sardines12 wrote:
the mayor died bro
the military was involved because all cops were underground, there were terrorists and there was a nuclear bomb
there was lots of shooting before the melee[/quote]
There WAS a nuclear bomb. That’s the whole fucking problem.
When does shooting EVER precipitate a melee in modern combat? You don’t start shooting at someone and then decide to rush them in open terrain while they’re still shooting at you.[/quote]
Why?
When the fuck have the police been trapped in the sewers and then had to confront an army of criminals in a city that is about to be vaporized by a nuclear bomb?
When has a guy dressed up in a costume been able to beat armed people with hand to hand combat?
You guys are so nit picky it’s insane. What did you want extreme gorilla warfare tactics? The police were out of ammo, had no where to go in the city and were confronted by fucking tanks with rocket launchers.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I like Steel Nations line about liking where the movie ended but taking issue with how it got there. I feel the same way. I just feel like the while movie was forced. It was like Nolan was trying to top himself and kinds fell flat. Also, I HATED how much was given away in the trailers. I enjoy these movies for the stories, but still get a kick outta badass action. For example, the whole plane high-jacking scene would’ve been a lot cooler if I hadn’t seen it 50 fucking times already. Also, I know they left the Joker untouched out of respect for Ledger, and I get it, but I don’t like it. There could’ve at least been mention of him or something. He doesn’t just disappear from the Bat universe. This was the only of the three films that felt like a comic movie, and maybe that’s my big issue. The first two are the whole reason comic movies are being taken seriously now, and it felt like Nolan kinda jumped the shark on this.[/quote]
The Joker wasn’t important for this movie, Dent was. And this movie is not responsible for comic book movies being taken seriously, mainly because it’s the only movie that tried to keep a sense of realism. A steady stream of good comic book movies is the reason this genre is takes seriously. Also, I see nothing super unrealistic about a mass terrorist attack on a city. How is this any different from the microwave transmitter in the first film?
[quote]sardines12 wrote:
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
[quote]sardines12 wrote:
the mayor died bro
the military was involved because all cops were underground, there were terrorists and there was a nuclear bomb
there was lots of shooting before the melee[/quote]
There WAS a nuclear bomb. That’s the whole fucking problem.
When does shooting EVER precipitate a melee in modern combat? You don’t start shooting at someone and then decide to rush them in open terrain while they’re still shooting at you.[/quote]
Why?
When the fuck have the police been trapped in the sewers and then had to confront an army of criminals in a city that is about to be vaporized by a nuclear bomb?
When has a guy dressed up in a costume been able to beat armed people with hand to hand combat?
You guys are so nit picky it’s insane. What did you want extreme gorilla warfare tactics? The police were out of ammo, had no where to go in the city and were confronted by fucking tanks with rocket launchers.[/quote]
I agree with you but , um, guerrilla.
[quote]Ballin4Christ32 wrote:
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So you missed the scene where Bane places the back side of his hand gently on Daggett’s (I think) shoulder and asks him “Do you feel that?” at which point Daggett starts to cower in fear over the strength Bane is displaying in such a minute way.
There were quite a few times where Bane did something extremely subtle that seemed to put his victims in a lot of pain.
Of course he wasn’t gonna die
Dark Knight RISES
Duh
its not called Dark Knight Falls
[quote]sardines12 wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I like Steel Nations line about liking where the movie ended but taking issue with how it got there. I feel the same way. I just feel like the while movie was forced. It was like Nolan was trying to top himself and kinds fell flat. Also, I HATED how much was given away in the trailers. I enjoy these movies for the stories, but still get a kick outta badass action. For example, the whole plane high-jacking scene would’ve been a lot cooler if I hadn’t seen it 50 fucking times already. Also, I know they left the Joker untouched out of respect for Ledger, and I get it, but I don’t like it. There could’ve at least been mention of him or something. He doesn’t just disappear from the Bat universe. This was the only of the three films that felt like a comic movie, and maybe that’s my big issue. The first two are the whole reason comic movies are being taken seriously now, and it felt like Nolan kinda jumped the shark on this.[/quote]
The Joker wasn’t important for this movie, Dent was. And this movie is not responsible for comic book movies being taken seriously, mainly because it’s the only movie that tried to keep a sense of realism. A steady stream of good comic book movies is the reason this genre is takes seriously. Also, I see nothing super unrealistic about a mass terrorist attack on a city. How is this any different from the microwave transmitter in the first film?[/quote]
I’m not saying he’s important for this movie? Saying he’s important to Batman’s world. And, nothing in this movie seemed important to me. There was no sense of urgency or desperation like there was in TDK. Everything seemed forced.
I would have liked it better in the last scene if, instead of showing Bruce and Catwoman, Alfred looked up gave an extremely subtle hint at a smile, got up and walked away. That would have made the thing a lot more inception-like.
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
Of course he wasn’t gonna die
Dark Knight RISES
Duh
its not called Dark Knight Falls[/quote]
HAHAH
He was rising from his last falling, not promising that he’d never fall again.
DUH
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
Of course he wasn’t gonna die
Dark Knight RISES
Duh
its not called Dark Knight Falls[/quote]
Rises…to Heaven!
[quote]IFlashBack wrote:
I would have liked it better in the last scene if, instead of showing Bruce and Catwoman, Alfred looked up gave an extremely subtle hint at a smile, got up and walked away. That would have made the thing a lot more inception-like. [/quote]
That’s actually what I thought they were gonna do. I’m glad they actually showed him, and they exchanged the nod Alfred wished for. The ending was by far the best part of the movie.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]sardines12 wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I like Steel Nations line about liking where the movie ended but taking issue with how it got there. I feel the same way. I just feel like the while movie was forced. It was like Nolan was trying to top himself and kinds fell flat. Also, I HATED how much was given away in the trailers. I enjoy these movies for the stories, but still get a kick outta badass action. For example, the whole plane high-jacking scene would’ve been a lot cooler if I hadn’t seen it 50 fucking times already. Also, I know they left the Joker untouched out of respect for Ledger, and I get it, but I don’t like it. There could’ve at least been mention of him or something. He doesn’t just disappear from the Bat universe. This was the only of the three films that felt like a comic movie, and maybe that’s my big issue. The first two are the whole reason comic movies are being taken seriously now, and it felt like Nolan kinda jumped the shark on this.[/quote]
The Joker wasn’t important for this movie, Dent was. And this movie is not responsible for comic book movies being taken seriously, mainly because it’s the only movie that tried to keep a sense of realism. A steady stream of good comic book movies is the reason this genre is takes seriously. Also, I see nothing super unrealistic about a mass terrorist attack on a city. How is this any different from the microwave transmitter in the first film?[/quote]
I’m not saying he’s important for this movie? Saying he’s important to Batman’s world. And, nothing in this movie seemed important to me. There was no sense of urgency or desperation like there was in TDK. Everything seemed forced.
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I agree that The Joker was originally intended to be a lasting threat to Batman “I think you and I are destined to do this forever”…and while I understand why they didn’t reference him in TDKR out of respect for Ledger, I feel the real reason was that they thought he was irreplaceable and the movie suffered for the decision to end Joker’s story arc so abruptly.
Brandon Lee’s death was more closely connected to a movie than Ledger’s, but they had no qualms in carrying on the series with different actors. OK, it was a different character as The Crow, but the principle is the same.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I like Steel Nations line about liking where the movie ended but taking issue with how it got there. I feel the same way. I just feel like the while movie was forced. It was like Nolan was trying to top himself and kinds fell flat. Also, I HATED how much was given away in the trailers. I enjoy these movies for the stories, but still get a kick outta badass action. For example, the whole plane high-jacking scene would’ve been a lot cooler if I hadn’t seen it 50 fucking times already. Also, I know they left the Joker untouched out of respect for Ledger, and I get it, but I don’t like it. There could’ve at least been mention of him or something. He doesn’t just disappear from the Bat universe. This was the only of the three films that felt like a comic movie, and maybe that’s my big issue. The first two are the whole reason comic movies are being taken seriously now, and it felt like Nolan kinda jumped the shark on this.[/quote]
The reason why this movie seemed to jar with the first two is a simple one: it comes down to Nolan’s decision to use a book as the main inspiration this time. He wanted to use A Tale of Two Cities’ backdrop of revolution and transpose it to Gotham.
It didn’t work as effectively as before because Batman Begins and TDK were influenced primarily by movies (not counting the Batman comics/ graphic novels, of course) and that falls well within Nolan’s comfort zone.
Nolan has spoken about how Bond movies have shaped his approach to directing, and while there are some Bondian elements in all three of his Bat-movies, Begins and TDK are better entertainment because there is more cinema than literature in their DNA: Begins first hour was massively influenced by classic martial arts movies and we all know about how Nolan used Heat as a touchstone for the story and visuals of TDK.
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I like Steel Nations line about liking where the movie ended but taking issue with how it got there. I feel the same way. I just feel like the while movie was forced. It was like Nolan was trying to top himself and kinds fell flat. Also, I HATED how much was given away in the trailers. I enjoy these movies for the stories, but still get a kick outta badass action. For example, the whole plane high-jacking scene would’ve been a lot cooler if I hadn’t seen it 50 fucking times already. Also, I know they left the Joker untouched out of respect for Ledger, and I get it, but I don’t like it. There could’ve at least been mention of him or something. He doesn’t just disappear from the Bat universe. This was the only of the three films that felt like a comic movie, and maybe that’s my big issue. The first two are the whole reason comic movies are being taken seriously now, and it felt like Nolan kinda jumped the shark on this.[/quote]
The reason why this movie seemed to jar with the first two is a simple one: it comes down to Nolan’s decision to use a book as the main inspiration this time. He wanted to use A Tale of Two Cities’ backdrop of revolution and transpose it to Gotham.
It didn’t work as effectively as before because Batman Begins and TDK were influenced primarily by movies (not counting the Batman comics/ graphic novels, of course) and that falls well within Nolan’s comfort zone.
Nolan has spoken about how Bond movies have shaped his approach to directing, and while there are some Bondian elements in all three of his Bat-movies, Begins and TDK are better entertainment because there is more cinema than literature in their DNA: Begins first hour was massively influenced by classic martial arts movies and we all know about how Nolan used Heat as a touchstone for the story and visuals of TDK. [/quote]
There was very clear elements from Millers The Dark Knight Returns as well. I was just really disappointed in the film. 'tis what it is I guess.
I kinda felt like the bomb scene was a nod to the iconic scene of Adam West running the big “atomic bomb” down the center of a street over his head.
The fact is that the movie could NEVER have lived up to the hype and as much as I tried to remind myself that they couldn’t hit the heights of TDK, the expectation was still there for me.
It is a great movie, I can see peoples gripes with it but it it was separate to TDK then we wouldn’t have this negativity.
Being honest I think if TDK wasn’t made at all we’d all be raving about what a masterpiece this is.
Regarding the unarmed cops running into the armed terrorists, what choice did they have? The city was going to be destroyed very soon and they needed to attack Bane’s army to have any chance of saving the city.
So you can sit around and wait to be blown up or you can fight back and make a stand against your captors. I know what I’d choose.
Of course it was suicidal and if it wasn’t a 13’s movie we’d have seen a lot more cops cut down but, hell, it’s just a movie relax.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I like Steel Nations line about liking where the movie ended but taking issue with how it got there. I feel the same way. I just feel like the while movie was forced. It was like Nolan was trying to top himself and kinds fell flat. Also, I HATED how much was given away in the trailers. I enjoy these movies for the stories, but still get a kick outta badass action. For example, the whole plane high-jacking scene would’ve been a lot cooler if I hadn’t seen it 50 fucking times already. Also, I know they left the Joker untouched out of respect for Ledger, and I get it, but I don’t like it. There could’ve at least been mention of him or something. He doesn’t just disappear from the Bat universe. This was the only of the three films that felt like a comic movie, and maybe that’s my big issue. The first two are the whole reason comic movies are being taken seriously now, and it felt like Nolan kinda jumped the shark on this.[/quote]
The reason why this movie seemed to jar with the first two is a simple one: it comes down to Nolan’s decision to use a book as the main inspiration this time. He wanted to use A Tale of Two Cities’ backdrop of revolution and transpose it to Gotham.
It didn’t work as effectively as before because Batman Begins and TDK were influenced primarily by movies (not counting the Batman comics/ graphic novels, of course) and that falls well within Nolan’s comfort zone.
Nolan has spoken about how Bond movies have shaped his approach to directing, and while there are some Bondian elements in all three of his Bat-movies, Begins and TDK are better entertainment because there is more cinema than literature in their DNA: Begins first hour was massively influenced by classic martial arts movies and we all know about how Nolan used Heat as a touchstone for the story and visuals of TDK. [/quote]
There was very clear elements from Millers The Dark Knight Returns as well. I was just really disappointed in the film. 'tis what it is I guess.
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Yeah. I discounted all the Batman stories, because it’s taken as a given when it’s a Batman movie that the source material is a major influence. I suppose what I mean is that there are certain ideas that don’t translate well from book-to-screen, whether they just don’t work or are too complex to present in a different medium. You know the old adage that some books are unfilmable…
Nolan has excised a lot of the more fantastical elements of Batman in the pursuit of realism, and trying to fit what is essentially an ersatz adaptation of an epic like A Tale of Two Cities while servicing the other story is a risky move, even for a director like him. Sometimes less is more.
[quote]Jereth127 wrote:
The fact is that the movie could NEVER have lived up to the hype and as much as I tried to remind myself that they couldn’t hit the heights of TDK, the expectation was still there for me.
It is a great movie, I can see peoples gripes with it but it it was separate to TDK then we wouldn’t have this negativity.
Being honest I think if TDK wasn’t made at all we’d all be raving about what a masterpiece this is.
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I agree. I for one never expected it to surpass TDK. I’d much prefer a solid conclusion to Nolan’s story than an unfocused attempt to top TDK. That was the downfall of the previous Batman franchise, which ended rather ignominiously with the Terminator playing hockey with Dr. Ross from ER in a gay nightclub.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
I kinda felt like the bomb scene was a nod to the iconic scene of Adam West running the big “atomic bomb” down the center of a street over his head. [/quote]
Ha! Yeah i thought of that too…and wasn’t there something in the 1966 Batman movie with him hanging from a helicopter with a bomb or something???
Saw the movie twice in 24 hours. Loved it.
Loved Bane’s swagger, the way he always kind of gripped his collar. For me, he demanded your attention on the screen. Voice bugged me at first, but quickly grew on me and I loved it. His last 5 minutes on film sucked, finding out he wasn’t the ‘head’ of the whole ordeal, and then just dying from a Catwoman cannon shot. But his presence, his attitude, the way he spoke and issued promises of hope and liberation, were great. Not a better villain then Joker, but I liked him better, if that makes sense.
Hatheway did a great job, which I was surprised by.
The way they kind of payed homage to Robin, while making it pretty obvious he wouldn’t be ‘Robin’. Probably either another Batman or more of Nightwing type character. Was great.
Kind of thought the ending, with Fox realizing the auto-pilot had been fixed, that it was going to be that Bruce had chosen to die, just because he felt he would never be able to move-on. Kind of wanted SOMEONE to die. Shit, I thought at least Alfred would or something. lol
Only issue is I just want to know how Bruce got back to Gotham after being in the pit? Couldn’t take the bridge, doubt he swam or crossed the ice, etc…
The 2nd movie was the better movie, but the third is my favorite.