Dani's Rebel Log

[Chris_Shugart]

Overeating and not moving much.

[Dani_Shugart]

@jshaving

Rural people in the past probably had their own gardens and maybe some chickens or a cow or something. Even most urban people could’ve at least gardened, unless they were in a huge city like NYC or Chicago. Nowadays, fewer and fewer people, regardless of where they live, have those skills and know-how. Everyone would probably be healthier if they played more of an active role in actually producing their own food, but that’s time consuming and way less inefficient, so no one wants to. Including most healthy-eating gym-goers, haha.

That’s definitely true. We’re creatures of convenience.

@T3hPwnisher

And let’s not forget that we used to hunt more as well! All of these lifestyles are being phased out, as these skillsets become lower and lower in demand AND more expensive to engage in.

Absolutely. It actually feels kinda scary to not know how to hunt and fish. Being self-sufficient seems more important than ever food-wise.

I want to learn how to hunt for practical reasons, but the amount of stuff you have to learn and buy just seems overwhelming. Plus, like @jshaving mentioned, it’s hard to force yourself to do all that work when you can just go to the store and buy meat.

[Chris_Shugart]

You don’t have to eat fresh produce to not be obese.

[jshaving]

@Andrewgen_Receptors

It sounds like chicken breast/thighs may be a better alternative to buying more expensive cuts of meat OR unhealthier options.

For sure. I’m only referring to very rural places, that I personally have been to. They often don’t sell chicken there. Choices are limited. That’s the point. Beef is usually present because there’s local ranches.

Most of these places don’t have fast food places either. They’re just so rural that there’s nothing around them. That’s the point.

[jshaving]

@Chris_Shugart

You don’t have to eat fresh produce to not be obese.

Did I say one did?

My entire post was about the lack of food choices in rural places. I specifically said that that didn’t mean you had to get overweight, but that it did mean you wouldn’t have the same resources as other people.

[Dani_Shugart]

@T3hPwnisher

I feel like one of the big factors is that “healthy food” in and of itself has become very difficult to nail down as far as a definition goes. And even those folks that THINK they’re making the right choice are, in fact, just buying the same junkfood with a pretty package on it.

Man, I wasn’t sure which part to quote because it’s all spot on, and I couldn’t have stated any of that better.

@T3hPwnisher

“Milk: it does a body good”

Yep, same. What do you think of raw milk?

@T3hPwnisher

“I tried to follow the science, but I couldn’t find it. Then, I tried to follow the money, and THERE I found the science”

That’s a good one! And it applies to so many industries.

[Andrewgen_Receptors]

If it’s that rural, I would argue that is not a significant part of the population - meaning it isn’t a primary contributing factor.

But for the people in those areas, it sounds that there is a lot of room for agriculture, and having nothing around allows much time to be spent growing food for yourself - as you also mentioned.

Seems like with less access to store bought food, you have more access to home grown food… which is well known to be healthier.

[Dani_Shugart]

@jshaving

Did I say one did?

I caught your nuance and you made many fantastic points. Chris and I actually had a minor (friendly) disagreement over the topic while walking into the gym this morning.

[T3hPwnisher]

Very much appreciate the kind words!

@Dani_Shugart

What do you think of raw milk?

I’ve never had an opportunity to partake. I wouldn’t turn it down, although I don’t tend to enjoy drinking my calories. Even with Metabolic Drive, I mix it with a VERY small amount of warm water to make more of a pudding than a shake. But as far as nutrition goes, there are far worse things out there.

But after drinking a gallon of milk a day for 6 weeks in my early 20s while running Super Squats, I’ve also had more than my fair share of milk, haha. I have a small amount of Fairlife skim once a week as part of my family meal, typically alongside a few of my wife’s cookies, primarily for dunking.

[jshaving]

It’d be interesting to see how people faired if they only ate what was native to their surroundings

I remember a professor ate a banana before class one day. After he finished, he just exclaimed, “I shouldn’t be able to eat a banana in South Dakota in January.” If people only ate the animals and plants (I know which way you’d lean!) that were part of their home place, I wonder if, besides probably not being overweight, it’d have any affect on any other health markers - allergies, digestive health, etc.

I’m just ranting here. Your hunting comment made me think of that. I think hunting’s a great way to stay fit and eat healthy.

[T3hPwnisher]

@jshaving

It’d be interesting to see how people faired if they only ate what was native to their surroundings

I’ve seen a growing trend toward this very habit. A species appropriate diet AND a region appropriate diet. And you bring up a great point there too: we’ve engineered so much of our lives that we have consistent access to foods we never would have before, and we put those foods inside of a body not built to handle that stimulus. Having “fresh” strawberries in the middle of winter is alien: having it in the middle of winter in North Dakota is an abomination. Some folks are built to eat that stuff, and some dudes need to just eat seal blubber.

And with hunting: even the animals we eat are impacted! I’m hunting in Nebraska. We have sweet corn here that has been extensively modified from what it was like just a few hundred years ago. Our doe have marbling…that should NOT happen in nature.

[jshaving]

@Andrewgen_Receptors

to home grown food… which is well known to be healthier

Definitely.

I don’t know much about biology and plants. Do plants suck up anything bad in the soil and water they use? I’m assuming yes.

Like around the Missouri River, you’ll catch a lot of fish with tumors on them because of all the run off from chemicals the nearby farms use. So if you try to grow your own plants on that land, will they contain traces of those same chemicals, just from being near those places?

[Andrewgen_Receptors]

@jshaving

It’d be interesting to see how people faired if they only ate what was native to their surroundings

I’d be dead bro.
Eating thorn-riddled tumbleweeds and parasite-infected rabbits while ducking mountain lions.

[jshaving]

California used to be amazing. Then Spaniards brought over domesticated animals that ate all the good stuff and pooped in the water.

[Chris_Shugart]

I don’t think the obesity rate is rising every year across the board because more and more people are moving 100 miles away from a grocery store.

And it used to easy to spot poor rural people: they were skinny. Now they’re so poor that they’re fat? Weird. The Cambodians wish they were that poor.

No, some people make bad choices and they don’t care, which is easy when taxpayers give them free money to buy soda. Oats still cost about 10 to 20 cents a serving, but nope, a microwave burrito and a Pepsi are “free” at the convenience store. Lots of spare money to become alcoholics as well.

Did you now that most people on government assistance have cable TV and streaming services? But can’t afford food? Again, weird. It’s almost as if some people have no sense of personal responsibility or drive. I grew up with these people in a fairly rural community, BTW. Heck, most were my relatives!

Also, fun fact: You can use food stamps to buy most protein powders and have them delivered (even MD Protein). But that’s not as fun as Fruit Loops and Red Bull.

[Dani_Shugart]

@Andrewgen_Receptors

Seems like with less access to store bought food, you have more access to home grown food… which is well known to be healthier.

It might be a learned helplessness type thing where people have access to convenient food, but don’t have the skills to start ranching and farming. So they go with the flow and do what they were taught as children or what’s common in their community and family.

Just spit-balling. I don’t know .

[T3hPwnisher]

Many argue that the current degree of magnesium and zinc deficiency we experience is from monocropping destroying the content of soil. It’s no longer present in the plants we eat OR the animals we eat that eat those plants.

[Andrewgen_Receptors]

@Chris_Shugart

Did you now that most people on government assistance have cable TV and streaming services? But can’t afford food? Again, weird. It’s almost as if some people have no sense of personal responsibility or drive.

This is what I was getting at, only you worded it better.

You can give these people the keys to success, but they won’t use them if it means getting off the couch.

Accountability is at an all time low for me, but everyone else is responsible for providing for me do better.

[Dani_Shugart]

@jshaving

If people only ate the animals and plants (I know which way you’d lean!) that were part of their home place, I wonder if, besides probably not being overweight, it’d have any affect on any other health markers - allergies, digestive health, etc.

Probably so!

[jshaving]

I don’t think we’re on the same page here. I haven’t brought up government assistance or lack of personal accountability at all. All I’ve tried to point out was the lack of access to healthy food that some people have, while also including that this didn’t mean they had to become overweight.