Duck Duck Go is a superior search engine for many use cases FYI. I’ll check out the article.
Children are getting prescribed testosterone without their parents’ permission? I’d be very interested in any examples you have of this happening.
Spend enough time around the children of young-earth creationists and you might. change your mind. haha
I thought your issue with “woke” companies was that they’re pushing their beliefs on people by, say, featuring a trans woman on a can of beer. Why doesn’t it bother you when religious companies do the same (like how In-and-Out has “John 3:16” printed on all their cups)?
I’d look into the law more closely. It explicitly bans any instruction that makes an individual “feel discomfort, guilt, anguish, or any other form of psychological distress on account of his or her race, color, sex, or national origin.” Better not talk about slavery, because if it makes a white (or black) student feel uncomfortable, you just broke the law. Same with the genocide of indigenous people or the civil rights movement.
Pretty ridiculous law coming from the party of “facts don’t care about your feelings…”
I’ll do you one better. How about a bill where children as young as 12 can seek gender-affirming care (puberty blockers, testosterone therapy, NOT surgery) without parental consent AND the parent’s can lose custody of their kids, determined by a court and mental health counselor (which can be done through the school)?
I got my early childhood education from a Christian school who taught me that an imaginary sky daddy willed the world and all of it’s living creatures into existence. I was able to unlearn that. I would NOT be able to un puberty-blocker myself. The two are not equatable.
I don’t see religion as inherently dangerous. I actually think it helped a great many people - I’m just not one of them.
So it bans racist (by modern definition) books? Cool. I’m not about having my daughter be blamed for something she had no part in - just because she’s blonde haired and blue eyed. Guilting someone over their race, particularly children, is foolish and inherently racist/damaging.
Is my daughter racist because she’s white? Is this a statement based in fact? Is any white person racist because the color of their skin?
The obvious answer is NO, and it is none of that is based in fact.
So how does the “facts don’t care about your feelings” thing play out now?
The law literally says you can’t talk about (some) facts that make people feel bad. Calling a child racist because of the color of their skin is obviously bad, but that’s not what the law forbids. It forbids things that make students feel “discomfort”.
I’m always surprised where transgender marketing, linguistic demands, drag events for children, men in women’s sports crop up – which for the last year or so seems to be everywhere.
See why it’s a topic? It’s in our faces. Trust me, I’d love to have a day or two where it’s not everywhere, which is why the “trans day of visibility” was hilariously ironic. The fact that I can’t buy tampons or makeup without also receiving a hefty dose of propaganda is a great example.
I posted about it to find out if anyone had recommendations for brands that don’t pander. I also care about truth, and I would be thinking, talking, or writing about any form of social contagion that twisted it.
For instance, the popularity of eating disorders skyrocketed in the 90s and early 2000’s. It was a bigger deal at one time because it was rampant. I wrote about it a lot because it affected – not just the people who had them, or their families – but society as a whole. Who was used as a prop to market products to us back then? What did models and actresses look like? Extremely skinny women. It was en vogue to be as close to skin and bones as possible. It was such a big deal that after my anorexic sister died, I wrote a book about it.
And about that…
Should we have affirmed my sister’s belief that she needed to get skinnier and skinnier? Should we have told her to get liposuction? Should we have supported her delusions out of “compassion”? If we had, she would’ve died a heck of a lot earlier than 34.
Truth is important to me.
I can tell you what’s actually pathological, and caring about the truth is not it.
This is interesting, but the bill seems to be concerned with preventing children from being taken away from their parents by out-of-state agencies in the event that the parent seeks gender-affirming care for the child in California. I can’t find any language that says anything about children receiving care without the consent of their parents. Can you provide a source on that claim?
I thought your issue with those companies was that they “pushed their bullshit views” onto children. I didn’t know you felt like it was only wrong to push dangerous views on people. My mistake.
You seem to be misunderstanding the law. It bans discussions that make any child feel any form of psychological distress on account of their race. It says nothing about whether that was the intention of the instruction, or about the specific content of the instruction itself – it is only concerned with what a child feels. So, a neutral, factually-accurate discussion about slavery that makes a white student feel uncomfortable is illegal under that law.
Religion doesn’t offend me, I just don’t want it forced on me or my kids. Saying stuff like “I’ll pray for you” is a sincere and kind gesture, even if religious.
Completely agree. This is part of the exact point I was making. Everyone seems to have very strong feelings about an extremely niche topic all of a sudden. It’s odd.
I am sorry to hear about your sister. Anorexia is a truly devastating disease and it is absolute hell to watch someone you love deal with its effects.
To answer your questions literally (although I’m not sure thats what you intended): no, society should not have affirmed your sisters beliefs or delusions.
I’m agnostic about the best way to handle the medical “transitioning” of transgender people because I’m not a medical professional and I don’t have any personal or professional experience that would entitle me to having a strong opinion on the topic. My intuition is that children should avoid elective medical procedures in the vast majority of cases, but adults should be freely allowed to do whatever they want with their bodies – up to and including things that I perceive to be harmful to themselves.
To be honest, I’m not sure what any of that has to do with a beer company having a transgender woman as a spokesperson though.
Truth is difficult to grapple with, as I’m sure any discussion we would have about the existence of god would illustrate. I imagine that the vast majority of people “care about the truth”, and they simply disagree about what that means. For that reason, I don’t find that to be a particularly meaningful statement.
Honestly man, If you aren’t concerned about it - don’t be. I’ve already killed enough time trying to show you the writing on the wall, and it’s on you if you don’t see it. You asked questions for an understanding, I think I explained myself pretty clearly - anything else is you asking for a debate and I don’t care to continue with it. To think this isn’t an issue, or that it isn’t being pushed onto children with the literal hyperbolic trend of Gender Affirming Care referrals is willfull ignorance.
This morning I decided I’m a female - I’m going to go change in the women’s locker room and watch them get undressed. My name is still Andrew and I’m not changing how I talk, what I wear, how I act - just what locker room I get naked in. If that bothers you, you’re a bigot. I expect and demand to be celebrated this June for pride month.
No offence man, but the most compelling real-world thing you showed me was that bill which you seem to have completely misinterpreted.
I actually don’t think our views are too far apart, other than the fact you seem to think this is a sign that the American dynasty is ending (per the article you shared) while I think it’s mostly nonsense rage-bate used to fuel an imaginary culture war and distract from the fact that the vast majority of people fundamentally want the same things (and that neither major political party is interested in or capable of providing those things).
Eh. I think the vast majority of people just want themselves, their family, and their neighbors to be happy and healthy. They want people to be able to pursue the things that they find meaningful and fulfilling, and they don’t want people to suffer needlessly. I think that’s all fairly universal – at most, people just disagree about the specifics of how to reach those goals.
Personally, I think that’s because there are so many parties that directly and indirectly benefit from us being angry at each other and believing that a non-trivial percent of the population is fundamentally evil.
Think about it: somebody lied to you about the content of that bill you posted. Why? Who does it benefit for you to walk around thinking that the state of California would allow your 12 year old daughter to get a testosterone script without your permission? It’s all so weird.
OMGosh! I will be trying that frosting idea soon! I make low carb, high protein pancakes that even non fitness foodies love. The frosting will be a nice added touch now and then. Thank you for sharing that!
Oops…i should have included original post! It is the pumpkin cookie from near beginning of thread.
Oops again. I see that the topic has shifted a bit.
It does! I have Vanilla Metabolic Drive on the way too! So, I can try the frosting once it gets here. I already know that Metabolic Drive Vanilla is excellent!
I still need to meet the person that engineered the flavor over at Biotest, because I had legit written off vanilla protein powder since 2005 as every time I tried it it tasted like wallpaper paste. Metabolic Drive Vanilla is something I would willfully choose just as a yummy treat. The fact it’s a protein powder is mindblowing.
I’ve been a chocolate-protein-only guy for the last decade because of a catastrophic purchase of 10 lbs of vanilla and 10 lbs of banana whey on a whim one afternoon. Never again.
