Furthermore, the other competing orgs are all but nonexistent on tv.
The IFL (MyNetworkTV) has a network TV deal and a basic cable deal (FSN).
Bodog Fight (Ion TV) has a basic cable TV deal.
EliteXC has a premium cable deal (Showtime).
Strikeforce, K1, and Cage Rage have all hooked up with EliteXC and will have access to Showtime’s PPV service and will be co-promoting events with Pro Elite.[/quote]
Yes, I know they are on tv. However, The only fed. I’ve seen ads for is the IFL, and that not very often. Admittedly, I don’t pay for premium or digital cable. Sheer volume and marketing of UFC far outweigh the combined efforts of all these feds. Ok, n/m I’ve seen Strikeforce events as well. Still I stand by my point.
[quote]Steve4192 wrote:
Aragorn wrote:
All this means that the UFC is in all practicality a monopoly–and free to trash and manipulate us, and give out WWE style drama/antics
Remind me again which of the big two (Pride, UFC) was owned by a pro wrestling company, regularly mined the pro wrestling circuit for talent, and often featured ‘worked’ fights during their formative years.
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Not arguing. But that doesn’t mean I have to like what’s being done. I should note that I’m a fan of martial arts, not just Pride or UFC or any individual fed. I have my preferences, but I don’t want to turn this into a fed. vs fed. argument.
[quote]SWR-1240 wrote:
From Tito’s website:
[/quote] The match was a pre-condition that Ortiz had imposed before he signed a new contract with the UFC last year.
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Ortiz explained in a post on his MySpace.com blog that he had already given up time and lost promotional fees to train for the fight against White.[/quote]
Wait! Here’s my favorite part… Tito’s imposing pre-conditions on Dana before he’ll sign a contract. You must fight me or else I will take my no-title-haggard-old-porn-star-banging ass to… uh… what… King of the Cage? Bodog?
Dana White needs Tito that bad?
I mean, has anybody ever HAD a boss? He called his boss out for a grudge match and then didn’t show up and then STILL gets to fight in the UFC?
Come the fuck on, people…
Oh, also, Tito spent a lot of time training to fight Dana. Puhleeze. Tito could beat Dana to death drunk, in his sleep, with both fists up Jenna’s ass. Get real.
[quote]futuredave wrote:
Holy crap this is depressing… are MMA fans this stoopid?
You people really believed Dana was going to get in the ring and fight Tito? Really?
Anybody doesn’t understand that this was a setup, start to finish… I’ve got some WMDs in Iraq to sell you.[/quote]
Surely the business-oriented Dana White orchestrated this debacle. I’m sure the trouble created by wasting NSAC’s time is well worth discrediting a popular PPV powerhouse.
This entire situation was bad for all the parties involved. The event in general threatened to compare the UFC to pseudo-sport entertainment. The failed event makes Tito look terrible. It makes Zuffa look bad to NSAC. Nobody gained anything.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
rainjack wrote:
I can’t stand Tito, and I can’t stand Dana.
So I could not care less about whatever “fight” they were supposed to have.
Dana is an attention whore, and Tito is…well…a fucking tito.
UFC = WWE[/quote]
My God, my thoughts exactly. I’m sure alot of people who were into jiu-jitsu and MMA before UFC and from UFC 1 will agree. All this dramatization and hype is starting to make the UC look alot like pro-wrestling. I’m gonna cry if Pride no longer exists–or if it follows in the footsteps of the UFC.
Not quite, but definitely worrisome. As long as the nucleus of MMA in the octagon stays intact, I’ll be watching.
Maybe I’m in the minority because I didn’t have any desire to see the two fight and didn’t waste the time (outside of checking the message boards this morning).[/quote]
Huh? Someone needs to work on his analogical reasoning.
Do they create and hype rivalries? Sure. But the matches are not rigged. What makes professional wrestling what it is, is not just the rivalries, it’s the rigged aspect of it.
Vince McMahon even shaved his head to look like Dana White.
I expect the two organizations to merge any day now.[/quote]
hahaha nice…here’s how I watch TUF: tune in occasionally to see if there is any training going on, otherwise flip back…tune in around 15 minutes before the end of the hour to see the fight.
I have no idea about the dynamics or who hates who or who drank someone’s milk out of the carton.
Although I did see an interesting part one time where a guy tried to throw himself through the drywall using only a pair of swimming goggles for protection. I don’t know who he was but he seemed like the kind of guy that would be hilarious to hang out with.
Huh? Someone needs to work on his analogical reasoning.
Do they create and hype rivalries? Sure. But the matches are not rigged. What makes professional wrestling what it is, is not just the rivalries, it’s the rigged aspect of it.
Vince McMahon even shaved his head to look like Dana White.
I expect the two organizations to merge any day now.
hahaha nice…here’s how I watch TUF: tune in occasionally to see if there is any training going on, otherwise flip back…tune in around 15 minutes before the end of the hour to see the fight.
I have no idea about the dynamics or who hates who or who drank someone’s milk out of the carton.
Although I did see an interesting part one time where a guy tried to throw himself through the drywall using only a pair of swimming goggles for protection. I don’t know who he was but he seemed like the kind of guy that would be hilarious to hang out with.
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If you want to check out some guys during training, check out bjpenn.com He uploads clips from his jiu-jitsu classes, his kickboxing, and sometimes full on mma matches everyday. It is fairly entertaining sometimes.
Although I did see an interesting part one time where a guy tried to throw himself through the drywall using only a pair of swimming goggles for protection. I don’t know who he was but he seemed like the kind of guy that would be hilarious to hang out with.[/quote]
That was Mikey Burnett, one of the original Lion’s Den fighters.
I watch the UFC occasionally, and between that dumb show on Spike, publicity stunts like this, and every jerkoff 18 year old wanting to do MMA or train for the UFC nowadays, it makes it really hard to take the thing seriously.
Too bad. Lot of good fighters with a lot of heart. I’ll still stick with boxing though.
If you want to check out some guys during training, check out bjpenn.com He uploads clips from his jiu-jitsu classes, his kickboxing, and sometimes full on mma matches everyday. It is fairly entertaining sometimes.[/quote]
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
I watch the UFC occasionally, and between that dumb show on Spike, publicity stunts like this, and every jerkoff 18 year old wanting to do MMA or train for the UFC nowadays, it makes it really hard to take the thing seriously.
Too bad. Lot of good fighters with a lot of heart. I’ll still stick with boxing though.[/quote]
I agree with your sentiment. But look at it like this…
Sure, a lot of the hype is crap. And many fans are morons. But the UFC competes with WWE for fans. This is pathetic. Grown men should not watch soap operas or professional wrestling. But it is what it is.
By pulling some of the stupid shit that attracts the “WWE crowd,” the UFC is able to make more money. They are able to pay fighters more. (While fighters bitch about pay, they are making MUCH more than when the UFC first began. And the top guys do very well for themselves.)
Larger purses means more fighters and better fights. To get at this end point, you have to go through the process of attracting the WWE crowd.
I’ve found that looking at the production of UFC events at this meta level helps me keep the nonsense in perspective.
If you want to check out some guys during training, check out bjpenn.com He uploads clips from his jiu-jitsu classes, his kickboxing, and sometimes full on mma matches everyday. It is fairly entertaining sometimes.[/quote]
Cool thanks for the link…the training interests almost as much as the fights.
Even in Dana white were to be demolished in the fight, it pisses me off that tito didn’t even show up. White put his heart and soul into training for that fight, and it disgusts me that Tito blew it off like it was a joke. As far as I’m concerned Ortiz got his ass handed to him.
[quote]Mikel0428 wrote:
Even in Dana white were to be demolished in the fight, it pisses me off that tito didn’t even show up. White put his heart and soul into training for that fight, and it disgusts me that Tito blew it off like it was a joke. As far as I’m concerned Ortiz got his ass handed to him.[/quote]
All White had to do was sign a contract guaranteeing that the proceeds from the fight would benefit charity.
I don’t know about you, but I don’t work for free so that others can become wealthy. I do my share of pro bono work, sure. But that’s much different than working for free for someone looking to profit from my services.
Here, Ortiz was willing to fight for free if there was a guarantee that the money would benefit charity. No one at Spike or Zuffa would sign that contract. Basically, they wanted Ortiz to fight for free so that Spike could sell ads and Zuffa and Spike could line their pockets.
So keep bashing Ortiz. It simply shows you have no command over the relevant facts.
Sure, UFC isn’t technically a monopoly because of the IFL, and some other organizations that are competing for media, but let’s face it: the competition in the IFL is not on the same level (IMO) even though the team fighting style of competition is a cool concept.
I like the IFL (of course, Duals tournaments are my favorite wrestling tourneys, as well). I like the team concept.
The talent will improve as word gets out. IFL is still a fledgling organization. It will grow and get better as more people find out about it.
This would happen a lot faster if a “major” network would pick it up, rather than “The network formerly known as UPN”.
The good thing is, as the IFL grows, UFC will have to adapt/improve to keep it’s fan base and athletes.
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Mikel0428 wrote:
Even in Dana white were to be demolished in the fight, it pisses me off that tito didn’t even show up. White put his heart and soul into training for that fight, and it disgusts me that Tito blew it off like it was a joke. As far as I’m concerned Ortiz got his ass handed to him.
All White had to do was sign a contract guaranteeing that the proceeds from the fight would benefit charity.
I don’t know about you, but I don’t work for free so that others can become wealthy. I do my share of pro bono work, sure. But that’s much different than working for free for someone looking to profit from my services.
Here, Ortiz was willing to fight for free if there was a guarantee that the money would benefit charity. No one at Spike or Zuffa would sign that contract. Basically, they wanted Ortiz to fight for free so that Spike could sell ads and Zuffa and Spike could line their pockets.
So keep bashing Ortiz. It simply shows you have no command over the relevant facts. [/quote]
i don’t get it…the fight was tito’s idea. tito made it a contract clause and didn’t have the foresight to know that dana would try and make money on it ? i mean that’s only what dana does all day everyday.