[quote]debraD wrote:
Aside from the controversy, why are they all so attractive? That is strange. [/quote]
It is probably something dumb like their attractiveness gets either attention from gross dudes or no attention from other dudes and these lil kids gave her attention but they were “pure.”
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
I think the other big point people are missing is how horribly this violates teacher ethics. Its similar to a boss sleeping with a person whose job they control.
An authority figure like a teacher should never do anything like that, even if you believe a 12 year old can consent.[/quote]
Whatever dude, I flirted and took (after graduation) teachers out on dates. Yeah, having sex with a 12 year old is a little weird though.[/quote]
Yes, teachers are an authority. However, the cliche “Alpha Male” most guys here try so hard to emulate is also the top authority in his home. Most relationships involve a dominating and a submissive person so that’s not the problem here.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]debraD wrote:
Aside from the controversy, why are they all so attractive? That is strange. [/quote]
It is probably something dumb like their attractiveness gets either attention from gross dudes or no attention from other dudes and these lil kids gave her attention but they were “pure.”[/quote]
Unfortunately 9 times out of 10 the woman in this case was probably raped/molested at 12 years old so that is why they go for 12 year olds. So she is fucked in the head. Doesnt make it right it is what it is.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
It [i]IS[/i] really very simple, kinda like our-societies-run-for- millenia-like-that simple:
Girls need extra protection cause they can get pregnant.
If somebody impregnates her, the clan suffers in so far that she her uterus has made a big, important decision or rather, an investment. And everybody’s life is influenced by it.
The passing male stranger, however, invested only some time for his own private pleasure.
If today, a teacher knocked up my little girl (assuming it’s not rape), our family’s life would change completely and utterly.
Since we believe in equality under the law, gender equality etc (which are good and noble in their own right) we can’t just settle for fifty goats here. Especially since I can’t bash his teeth in and he also goes to jail. So we could really be stuck with a baby.
My son banging his hot teach would be quite a thing, but nothing would come out of it that isn’t in the hand of that pervy TILF. If she wants to get pregnant, it’s her whacky decision.
It is fitting to stress at this point how ridiculous our time is in so far that the options can be VERY limited and you may be FORCED to pay for DECADES for some unwanted grandchild.
In every old culture, you would have demanded ample compensation if your status permitted it and abortion/infanticide would be still on the table.
Today, a broke guy simply goes to jail while anti abortionists can literally force a girl to conceive.
Madness.[/quote]
You know there are other risks associated with sex besides pregnancy right? Is pregnancy worse than aids?
[/quote]
Nothing that a thin, penis-shaped fabric can’t take care of?
Besides, Tilfs aren’t really a major risk in that department.
p.s. You really want to drag AIDS into the discussion?
Man you guys must have been SOOO glad during the 80s when it started. [/quote]
when aids started? are you insane. I never said anything to support people getting aids. Don’t be asinine.
"Nothing that a thin, penis-shaped fabric can’t take care of? "
I’m sorry, where you still discussing pregnancy?[/quote]
Löl- who came up with the retarded “Is pregnancy worse than aids?” crap.
The way you argue it seems that unprotected sex feels morally wrong to you.
Also, your argument crumples when a boy with shags his teacher WITH a condom.
Again: it has a reason why we don’t want that children drive cars or have sex - it’s because of consequences they can’t fully understand and cope with and which affect also the parents.
And these consequences are, for the most part, absent when a young boy screws a tilf - the tilf is old enough to understand and bear them.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]debraD wrote:
Aside from the controversy, why are they all so attractive? That is strange. [/quote]
It is probably something dumb like their attractiveness gets either attention from gross dudes or no attention from other dudes and these lil kids gave her attention but they were “pure.”[/quote]
Unfortunately 9 times out of 10 the woman in this case was probably raped/molested at 12 years old so that is why they go for 12 year olds. So she is fucked in the head. Doesnt make it right it is what it is. [/quote]
Do you have any substantial proof on that?
You did read that one teacher even went to jail, did her time (over seven (!) years) only to marry her former "boy"friend and start a family with him?
I know most normal relationships wouldn’t endure this kind of shit.
To call this anything but Love would be very cruel.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
It [i]IS[/i] really very simple, kinda like our-societies-run-for- millenia-like-that simple:
Girls need extra protection cause they can get pregnant.
If somebody impregnates her, the clan suffers in so far that she her uterus has made a big, important decision or rather, an investment. And everybody’s life is influenced by it.
The passing male stranger, however, invested only some time for his own private pleasure.
If today, a teacher knocked up my little girl (assuming it’s not rape), our family’s life would change completely and utterly.
Since we believe in equality under the law, gender equality etc (which are good and noble in their own right) we can’t just settle for fifty goats here. Especially since I can’t bash his teeth in and he also goes to jail. So we could really be stuck with a baby.
My son banging his hot teach would be quite a thing, but nothing would come out of it that isn’t in the hand of that pervy TILF. If she wants to get pregnant, it’s her whacky decision.
It is fitting to stress at this point how ridiculous our time is in so far that the options can be VERY limited and you may be FORCED to pay for DECADES for some unwanted grandchild.
In every old culture, you would have demanded ample compensation if your status permitted it and abortion/infanticide would be still on the table.
Today, a broke guy simply goes to jail while anti abortionists can literally force a girl to conceive.
Madness.[/quote]
You know there are other risks associated with sex besides pregnancy right? Is pregnancy worse than aids?
[/quote]
Nothing that a thin, penis-shaped fabric can’t take care of?
Besides, Tilfs aren’t really a major risk in that department.
p.s. You really want to drag AIDS into the discussion?
Man you guys must have been SOOO glad during the 80s when it started. [/quote]
when aids started? are you insane. I never said anything to support people getting aids. Don’t be asinine.
"Nothing that a thin, penis-shaped fabric can’t take care of? "
I’m sorry, where you still discussing pregnancy?[/quote]
LÃ?¶l- who came up with the retarded “Is pregnancy worse than aids?” crap.
The way you argue it seems that unprotected sex feels morally wrong to you.
Also, your argument crumples when a boy with shags his teacher WITH a condom.
[/quote]
No, you are making up shit again. You were saying girls are different because the risk pregnancy. My response was to remind you there is risk to anyone having sex including STDs like aids. Pregnancy isnâ??t the only risk. Iâ??d rather have a daughter get pregnant than a son get aids. There is no logical reason to single out the risk of pregnancy to make this judgment call. And no, condoms do no invalidate my argument because, 1 you can still get an STD using a condom, and 2, condoms prevent pregnancy as much as STDs.
I never said anything about the general morality of unprotected sex.
So wrong. This is dumb, did you not know that there are forms of birth control?
There are so many other risks but oh, girls can get pregnant so its not right to sleep with a 12 year old girl.
So, can a man sleep with a 12 year old boy or a woman sleep with a 12 year old girl? No risk of pregnancy.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]debraD wrote:
Aside from the controversy, why are they all so attractive? That is strange. [/quote]
It is probably something dumb like their attractiveness gets either attention from gross dudes or no attention from other dudes and these lil kids gave her attention but they were “pure.”[/quote]
Unfortunately 9 times out of 10 the woman in this case was probably raped/molested at 12 years old so that is why they go for 12 year olds. So she is fucked in the head. Doesnt make it right it is what it is. [/quote]
Do you have any substantial proof on that?
You did read that one teacher even went to jail, did her time (over seven (!) years) only to marry her former "boy"friend and start a family with him?
I know most normal relationships wouldn’t endure this kind of shit.
To call this anything but Love would be very cruel.
[/quote]
20 years in medicine. The cultural issues that are happening in America cannot be analyzed by someone who gets their information from CNN in Germany.
Why do most men laugh about a TILF-offender going to jail for years, while they curse a male teacher who boned a teenager? Because there is a difference:
Condom or not, men can’t get pregnant, woman can.
Psychological implications follow closely: Men generally don’t bond to a sexmate like a woman, especially a young one, does. Also, concepts like condoms or AIDS don’t exist in our psyche.
I certainly don’t condemn a teacher for contracting his teenage mistress with a STD more or less then a friend who does the same to his wife. That’s completely off the point and ultimately your straw-giant.
I condemn him because in our societies, we want to shelter our girls for a long time. We want them to make well-thought out plans when it comes to offspring.
The age-limits here are completely arbitrary, but in a legal way necessary.
Why are you insisting of bringing in AIDS, 12-year olds, as well as gay and lesbian strawmen?
Men and women are hardwired to fornicate with vastly different motives and the list of implications is gigantic.
Why do men rape and women practically don’t? Do they do it 50/50 in your bizarro world?
[quote]DJHT wrote:
20 years in medicine. The cultural issues that are happening in America cannot be analyzed by someone who gets their information from CNN in Germany. [/quote]
What do you mean by “cultural isues”? That your society is more porno and repressed at the same time?
That you have more weirdos like pervy TILFs? That’s a very strange claim!
If you make sweeping generalizations (90%) if would be easy to back them up and enlighten me.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
20 years in medicine. The cultural issues that are happening in America cannot be analyzed by someone who gets their information from CNN in Germany. [/quote]
What do you mean by “cultural isues”? That your society is more porno and repressed at the same time?
That you have more weirdos like pervy TILFs? That’s a very strange claim!
If you make sweeping generalizations (90%) if would be easy to back them up and enlighten me. [/quote]
Okay it was not a generalization I went to school, Hanz. I have a masters with a minor in Pysch. Pedophilia this is what this is, do you not understand that, it does not matter the gender, you have an adult sleeping with a child. The adults in this case 90% of the time were raped/molested at the age of the child they are attracted to. Is that clear enough. My comment is your “culture” has different parameters for what is a child than America’s. Anything else?
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Why do most men laugh about a TILF-offender going to jail for years, while they curse a male teacher who boned a teenager? Because there is a difference:
Condom or not, men can’t get pregnant, woman can.
Psychological implications follow closely: Men generally don’t bond to a sexmate like a woman, especially a young one, does. Also, concepts like condoms or AIDS don’t exist in our psyche.
I certainly don’t condemn a teacher for contracting his teenage mistress with a STD more or less then a friend who does the same to his wife. That’s completely off the point and ultimately your straw-giant.
I condemn him because in our societies, we want to shelter our girls for a long time. We want them to make well-thought out plans when it comes to offspring.
The age-limits here are completely arbitrary, but in a legal way necessary.
Why are you insisting of bringing in AIDS, 12-year olds, as well as gay and lesbian strawmen?
Men and women are hardwired to fornicate with vastly different motives and the list of implications is gigantic.
Why do men rape and women practically don’t? Do they do it 50/50 in your bizarro world?
[/quote]
You are dumb. I can’t even argue with you if you can’t understand logic. What is the difference between the risk of pregnancy and the risk of an STD? Why do you make that distention? I’ve pointed out over and over and over how your point is retarded and you continue to ignor it. Why is pregnancy something to be concerned about and STDs not? Why is a condom your answer to the risk of STDs and you ignore it in your assessment of pregnancy?
“Psychological implications follow closely: Men generally don’t bond to a sexmate like a woman, especially a young one, does. Also, concepts like condoms or AIDS don’t exist in our psyche.” this is made up BS. And worse than that its BS about averages, not individuals making it irrelevant and made up.
STDs are entirely pertenant. You brought up risks for girls to have sex. STDs are in that category. Why do you ignore the risk of STDs?
“I condemn him because in our societies, we want to shelter our girls for a long time. We want them to make well-thought out plans when it comes to offspring.”
Now your true colors come out. You feel the need to shelter girls, but not boys. well thought out plans about offspring? So, teach her to practice safe sex. Why once again do you harp on the risk of pregnancy for some special reason when your own argument of protection is every bit as valid for a rebuttal of it?
“Why are you insisting of bringing in AIDS, 12-year olds, as well as gay and lesbian strawmen?”
No they are not straw men. if a 12 year old boy is of the age of consent, you need to explain why he can’t consent to have sex with a man. PLUS it is an entirely relevant line of questioning in regard to you harping on pregnancy risk as the big difference maker. Now answer the relevant argument or accept that your argument is flawed.
“Men and women are hardwired to fornicate with vastly different motives and the list of implications is gigantic.”
Once again entirely made up, untrue, and irrelevant because individual circumstance disproves it as a general statement. All men and all women have different reasons. Trying to make a moral argument out of made up entirely untrue stereotypes is pretty low on the “logical thought” totem pole.
“Why do men rape and women practically don’t? Do they do it 50/50 in your bizarro world?”
Why does it matter who does it more? It makes no difference. If in the history of the world only 1 woman had ever raped a man, it would still be rape. “Women don’t normally do it” is once again a stupid and entirely logically flawed argument.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Chances are that was his first. That’s a doozy of a first time. Don’t think any of us here have that cool of a first time story.[/quote]
Not true! Someone on here has a story about digging through his parents video selection with his teenaged babysitter and finding a special one way in back. I’d say the outcome of that story was way cooler.
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Chances are that was his first. That’s a doozy of a first time. Don’t think any of us here have that cool of a first time story.[/quote]
Not true! Someone on here has a story about digging through his parents video selection with his teenaged babysitter and finding a special one way in back. I’d say the outcome of that story was way cooler.[/quote]
Your ideas intrigue me and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
20 years in medicine. The cultural issues that are happening in America cannot be analyzed by someone who gets their information from CNN in Germany. [/quote]
What do you mean by “cultural isues”? That your society is more porno and repressed at the same time?
That you have more weirdos like pervy TILFs? That’s a very strange claim!
If you make sweeping generalizations (90%) if would be easy to back them up and enlighten me. [/quote]
Okay it was not a generalization I went to school, Hanz. I have a masters with a minor in Pysch. Pedophilia this is what this is, do you not understand that, it does not matter the gender, you have an adult sleeping with a child. The adults in this case 90% of the time were raped/molested at the age of the child they are attracted to. Is that clear enough. My comment is your “culture” has different parameters for what is a child than America’s. Anything else? [/quote]
Again, you just throw out numbers and make wild claims about pedophiles(!), which clearly isn’t what this is about here. Or are willing male teenagers, some of them 16 or 17, prey for pedophiles?
How about you reread the article?
Also, if it’s about culture defining age of consent, it can be hardly pedophilia.
p.s. It’s Hans, Mr. Pysch minor.
[quote]
You are dumb. I can’t even argue with you if you can’t understand logic. What is the difference between the risk of pregnancy and the risk of an STD? Why do you make that distention? I’ve pointed out over and over and over how your point is retarded and you continue to ignor it. [/quote]
I assume you are very young and still in school, so here’s some more detail:
People have sexual urges because they have to procreate. Some people are born witout the urge, and they don’t care for sex at all. Needless to say that’s not how a species can survive.
The implications of these urges are gigantic and influence everything in our life. Culture, social behaviour, individual behaviour etc.
Men can try to copulate with lots of women, and can theoretically father thousands of children. Some even managed to do just that!
Woman can only give birth to a few babies, they have to choose their mate carefully, are very inconvenient for months, often need assistance for daily activities in the last trimester and are often left alone with raising the child.
Under these circumstances, it’s imperative for a woman to choose the mate carefully - frequently, the clan/family will take complete care of that, especially if the woman is young.
I don’t really understand your obsession with STDs here. All things being equal (that is how you debate btw), the woman is worse off.
That means: a boy who sleeps with his teach has nothing to worry, a girl can get pregnant. Both can get STDs.
It’s not about my colours, I simply tell you why practically all societies shelter girls more.
Protection is good, but not foolproof.
And I told you: in a rational world, your argument would be solid gold.
But we aren’t rational.
A woman that gets raped even by a safer-sex practising assailant can be heavily traumatized. But the really interesting part is that her relationship can also get heavily damaged, and trust can be lost. This is because we’re hardwired to suspect she might bear the rapists offspring.
It’s why in parts of the islamic world woman are told to wear carpets and not lose their “honour” (having sex with someone the clan does not approve).
It’s not rationality at all.
Strawman all along. IMHO, the average 12 year old, boy or girl, can consent to shit.
But gay sexuality, as someone already posted (I think?), needs even longer to evolve in a person, simply because it’s not the norm. You might have noticed by now that even in this openminded forum some people literally wish them to burn.
On the other hand, I know some straight guys who had weren’t getting laid until their 20s and siffered from it. Doing it is considered ACROSS ALL CULTURES as a rite of passage to manhood.
-it’s okay, you can wipe your tears-
Yet no woman can give birth to dozens of children. And men can’t get pregnant.
Awesome logic discounting powerful probabilities like that.
Why not try to understand why men are rapists (>99,9%) and women usually the victim?
Is it that hard?
[quote]postholedigger wrote:
The way a lot of men look at it:
Male teacher + 14 year old girl = Statutory rape.
Female teacher + 14 year old boy = He won the lottery.[/quote]
Most women flip their shit when they hear this.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Should the teacher be held in the same regard if the genders were reversed? Probably so. Was it rape? No fucking way. [/quote]
So and old sceezy man sleeping with a little girl isn’t rape. interesting.[/quote]
Only old sceezy men get caught with little girls. I don’t think so.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
It [i]IS[/i] really very simple, kinda like our-societies-run-for- millenia-like-that simple:
Girls need extra protection cause they can get pregnant.
If somebody impregnates her, the clan suffers in so far that her uterus has made a big, important decision or rather, an investment. And her family’s life is influenced strongly by it.
The passing male stranger, however, invested only some time for his own private pleasure.
If today, a teacher knocked up my little girl (assuming it’s not rape), our family’s life would change completely and utterly.
Since we believe in equality under the law, gender equality etc (which are good and noble in their own right) we can’t just settle for fifty goats here. This sucks especially since I can’t bash his teeth in and he might also vanish in some prison cell. So we could really be stuck with a baby.
My son banging his hot teach would be quite a thing, but nothing would come out of it that isn’t in the hand of that pervy TILF. If she wants to get pregnant, it’s her whacky decision.
It is fitting to stress at this point how ridiculous our time is in so far that the options can be VERY limited and you may be FORCED to pay for DECADES for some unwanted grandchild.
In every old culture, you would have demanded ample compensation if your status permitted it and abortion/infanticide would be still on the table.
Today, a broke guy simply goes to jail while anti abortionists can literally force a girl to conceive.
Madness.
-edited once because of stupid mistakes and for clarity [/quote]
NON SEQUITOR how does the moral issue of abortion have anything to do with statutory rape.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
It [i]IS[/i] really very simple, kinda like our-societies-run-for- millenia-like-that simple:
Girls need extra protection cause they can get pregnant.
If somebody impregnates her, the clan suffers in so far that she her uterus has made a big, important decision or rather, an investment. And everybody’s life is influenced by it.
The passing male stranger, however, invested only some time for his own private pleasure.
If today, a teacher knocked up my little girl (assuming it’s not rape), our family’s life would change completely and utterly.
Since we believe in equality under the law, gender equality etc (which are good and noble in their own right) we can’t just settle for fifty goats here. Especially since I can’t bash his teeth in and he also goes to jail. So we could really be stuck with a baby.
My son banging his hot teach would be quite a thing, but nothing would come out of it that isn’t in the hand of that pervy TILF. If she wants to get pregnant, it’s her whacky decision.
It is fitting to stress at this point how ridiculous our time is in so far that the options can be VERY limited and you may be FORCED to pay for DECADES for some unwanted grandchild.
In every old culture, you would have demanded ample compensation if your status permitted it and abortion/infanticide would be still on the table.
Today, a broke guy simply goes to jail while anti abortionists can literally force a girl to conceive.
Madness.[/quote]
You know there are other risks associated with sex besides pregnancy right? Is pregnancy worse than aids?
[/quote]
Nothing that a thin, penis-shaped fabric can’t take care of?
Besides, Tilfs aren’t really a major risk in that department.
p.s. You really want to drag AIDS into the discussion?
Man you guys must have been SOOO glad during the 80s when it started. [/quote]
Hey you are the one that brought up abortion, and I’ll pose the question. Is pregnancy worse than the clap?
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
I think the other big point people are missing is how horribly this violates teacher ethics. Its similar to a boss sleeping with a person whose job they control.
An authority figure like a teacher should never do anything like that, even if you believe a 12 year old can consent.[/quote]
Whatever dude, I flirted and took (after graduation) teachers out on dates. Yeah, having sex with a 12 year old is a little weird though.[/quote]
I just wanted to let you know I debated long and hard about pulling out a catholic joke, and decided it was too mean to start that up in this thread.[/quote]
<<< I went to a public high school. I’ve never had a male teacher my entire grammar and high school career.