Hi, where did you find a lab that does the E2 sensitive test in Europe? I’m having trouble locating one.
Provorom can absolutely suppress estrogen. If you find the right dose with may be 12.5 for you, you can take it as long as you want.
I currently use masteron at 2mg twice a week, which is a laughably low dose but it works for me, i won’t be going back to arimadex or anything ever again.
Everyone will respond differently. I am much more sensitive to all compounds than anyone I’ve really seen. Just play with the doses and find your sweet spot!
19 really isn’t too low, 21 for a trough reading seems to be the sweet spot for most if my memory serves me correct.
I would go more on how you’re feeling. Are you experiencing low sides etc?
Since your injecting every 8w, how does the proviron work earlier in the 8 weeks versus later?
As the ester fades towards the back half , it would make sense that the same dose would drop e2 lower as the test levels drop.
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You could always use the transcrotal cream BID, which would get your free T levels way up, and get the DHT boost along with it that the proviron is providing. One of the reasons why a lot of guys are moving away from injections to the cream.
Testosterone doesn’t increase my DHT, Proviron does.
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How are you doing on the Proviron? Any improvements in symptoms?
Hey man doing well.
I actually switched to using masteron full time with my TRT.
Proviron and masteron are the same thing but this way I just inject twice a week etc.
What kind of dose do you do daily? IM or subQ?
How long did it take for you to see the benefits of Proviron? I’m starting it soon myself!
Pretty quick!
You’ll also find the compounds ability to manage estrogen to be of great benefit to you as well.
What’s the primary reason you’re wanting to take it?
The DHT component goes a very long way!
I’m on TRT with decent(ish) labs but I seem to have some very borderline/acute thyroid issue that is causing low total T4 (and free T4). I’m getting new labs soon to figure this out though!
My libido/erections are pretty terrible and free T was coming back low, so my doctor wants me on Proviron to see if that helps! I think I’m doing 25 a day, just waiting on the medication to arrive.
Couple of questions (hope you don’t mind!):
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Did you notice any increase in body temp or cutting weight while on Proviron?
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Did you get libido/erections back pretty quickly after starting (like days)?
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Did it improve sensitivity in that area?
Appreciate your feedback btw!
What’s your sesnsitive e2 reading?
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Hmm not really - I don’t think proviron really has an increased thermogenesis effect, but everyone is different if that’s what your experiencing!
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It helped a lot pretty fast, I’d say the mix of it helping control estrogen and then the bump in dht - the mix of the two helped.
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Yes it did but I think primarily due to the above,
Estrogen plays a massive roll in sensitivity. I’m curious to hear your e2 levels . What about shbg?
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The correct course of action is increase the Test dosage if testosterone is low, this drug seems like a long shot compared with just increasing the Test dosage which is guaranteed to increase testosterone.
Agreed! That low Free could match what your saying as well.
We need to see full labs from him to see the whole picture! If esteogen is high then the symptoms would match what he’s experiencing.
Hey, I’m so glad I came over this thread. Your experience is exactly what I’m considering.
I’m on 200mg of TRT a week, Mon&Thurs.
I’m thinking of either 25mg of proviron per day or 100mg mast E per week to help freeup some T. I know the proviron lowers shbg more than mast, but mast is not an oral so might be a bit easier on the liver if I do this year round.
Both work against estrogen. Tough call for me. What are your thoughts?
Hey man glad you found this helpful!
So I’ve experimented with both - they didn’t do the same thing for me believe it or not.
Masteron for me. Is much better at managing estrogen.
Proviron sky rocked my free T and alongside that Free E. (Due to the increase in shbg reduction) and I barely have shbg as is - so the result wasn’t what I was looking for overtime.
Do you have bloods to show your shbg leavels?
You could take proviron daily it’s its not a c-17.
My vote is mast E, however I encourage you to maybe try both - everyone responds differently to compounds!
Hope this helps dude!
Thx a million. Will try both!
My shbg came in around 35, which isn’t that high but I can unlock a lot more free T if I drop it. My estrogen is 161 pmol/L which is at the high end.
The trick at least in my armchair studies is trying to unlock the most with the least.
I’ve seriously considered 100 mast E per week for estrogen and 5mg of anavar per day for shbg reduction. Once you take the ester off the enanthate masteron, it’s like 70mg.
I think both those in conjunction are ok year round. Only bloods will reveal this to be true but on the surface it seems reasonable at least to me.
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Was your esteogen test a sensitive reading ?
Are you on an AI?
If I were you if you’re not an on AI - start there first.
Man give me some of your shbg - I stay around 6-8!
Additionally a few thoughts
- Add only one new thing at a time
Step 1 - AI for 4-6 weeks then retest
Step 2 - if still high, introduce mast or increase AI
Step 3 - if in check on AI alone, no real need for masteron unless you just want to.
I wouldn’t look at var year round, just for liver health and there are better ways and not to mention cheaper ways of managing estrogen!
Then finally regarding ester weight - I wouldn’t worry about it too much. Just decide if you want prop or Enth. I do prop 2x a week and subsequently I’d do enth twice a week as well just to keep blood levels as stable as possible.
So all in all - start with one addition and then wait it out and see how things unfold, try not to add too many new compounds etc at once as it will be hard to tell what is or isn’t working.
Cheers
How much in numbers did Proviron decreased your SHBG?
I have already low SHBG so i hesitate to experiment with Proviron.
I also consider experimenting with proviron. My current SHBG is 30.
How safe you think it is long term? I read it can have negative effect on lipids, also some people say it down regulates receptors over time and the effect stops or requires bigger dose.
Also does it raise hematocrit or other blood cells in addition to the testosterone?
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Oral bioavailability of proviron is 3%, given the potency of the hormone (and literature that exists) I wouldn’t worry about raised HCT, lipid strain is a concern… I believe 150kg daily dropped HDL on a average by about 50%, raised ldl by 50-60%.
The hormone isn’t anabolic to any significant extent primarily due to inactivation to “diol” metabolites by the 3b-HSD enzyme (also responsible as to why DHT isn’t particularly anabolic within skeletal muscle).
Effects of proviron regarding confidence/alpha feeling etc. DHT metabolites (and proviron metabolites) have potent neurosteroid activity, increased dopamine output eventually induced D receptor downregulation as the body re attains homeostasis… if the neurological effect stemming from proviron is primarily dopamine mediated (which is may not be… or may only partially be), then yes… the effects are temporary… however literature shows the compound is efficient as an antidepressant over long periods of time (about equatable to the efficiency of tricyclic antidepressants, which have been primarily phased out due to potential sides (QT prolongation being one of the most concerning)
Using proviron for lowering SHBG is bullshit, you can take more testosterone and get the same result (more test…), however if you want to take it for aesthetic enhancement or potentially positive effect on neurology then be my guest… so long as you’re aware of the potential risks
Moniter lipids and BP
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