Dad Pummels Son's Rival

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

It shouldn’t have to get that far. [1]

…But it does…and just to play devil’s advocate, many of these kids seem to feel they can say and do whatever they please to any authority figure over the age of 18 and that the person can’t do anything to fight back.

In our society, they are basically right.

My mom is a teacher…and I wouldn’t be working as one for long if I had kids speaking to me the way they have to her at times leaving her with no options in the situation but to retreat and call parents who won’t do anything to discipline the child anyway.

Was this situation retarded? Yes. Don’t set up a fight between two kids like this without expecting jail time, whether you hit one or not unless all parents are cool with it. If they are, don’t beat up a kid on VIDEO.

However, why would a kid like that even feel he had a chance of standing up to someone twice his size and age?

I think that is where the discussion really is here…not a thread filled with people harping on how they would act if their kid got randomly hit.

There was nothing random about this…and none of us knows if the other parents weren’t all in on this.[/quote]
I know exactly what you’re talking about lol.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
^That’s what I mean. We have raised a bunch of kids to feel entitled. The world doesn’t work that way. 100 years ago, that same 16 year old kid would be pretty much seen as a grown man in society, not some kid that needed the protection of the whole world if a grown man hit him for mouthing off.

16 isn’t that young. I was driving and working by 16. I was not some kid who didn’t know what he was saying and doing.

Yeah, this situation was screwed up possibly more than we even know…but let’s get serious. In the real world, you don’t get to say what you please without any consequences just because you feel “safe” due to social issues.
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unless you’re on the internet :slight_smile:

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[quote]anonym wrote:
Would anyone’s opinion change if the father had simply knocked the kid on his ass with one hit and walked away with the kid laying on the ground wondering wtf just happened?[/quote]

No. The kid tried to hit him back after the first punch connected.

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another fine example of parenting…

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
However, I am saying that yeah, this situation was wrong…and also that when I was 16, I wouldn’t have thought I could get away with talking back like that to someone literally twice my size and age.

I don’t know about anyone else, but I am speaking about issues outside of just this one instance because I don’t want to spend much time yelling, “Yeah, kill the grown guy who hit a kid!!”.[/quote]

I can understand this, and do agree. Hell, I can count the number of fights I’ve been in on one hand, so I was definitely never a kid who would or could ever imagine mouthing off or standing toe-to-toe with a full grown man. Most of my friends were this way too.

If we are going on a largely philosophical scale in this regard, I guess I feel as though these same types have been around for at least the better part of the last half-century or so. I’m no historian, but I’m betting a large amount of this behavior can be tracked back to the 40s and 50s when reform was in and popular. Where this conformity there will be rebellion. I feel this has compacted and escalated as the years went on.

I really don’t agree with it, I should say. It’s pretty disrespectful for the kid to get in a grown mans’ face like that. But is also the difference between a grown man and a teenager, is that sensibility and better judgment for what is right and what isn’t. I won’t pretend to be old and wise but I have to imagine that this is something “grown adults” pride themselves on.

Not only this, but this man went to the kid while he was on the ground and continued to pummel him, as [quote]anonym wrote:
Would anyone’s opinion change if the father had simply knocked the kid on his ass with one hit and walked away with the kid laying on the ground wondering wtf just happened?[/quote] suggests.

I realize there’s an issue with kids mouthing off in society today, and the sense of entitlement that runs through younger generations. I get it, I really do, I’m part of it probably. That being said, in this particular instance (which to be fair is all I was ever talking about to begin with) there is absolutely nothing that that kid could have said to that man that warranted this action.

So, apologies for the rash reactions, I was trying to talk apples when the conversation had already reached oranges.

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
nobody realized anything important from any of it.
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I learned that you should never agree to fight someone with their dad as ref unless you know you can beat them both.[/quote]
brilliant induction

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]anonym wrote:
Would anyone’s opinion change if the father had simply knocked the kid on his ass with one hit and walked away with the kid laying on the ground wondering wtf just happened?[/quote]

No. The kid tried to hit him back after the first punch connected.[/quote]
yeah the kid definitely has issues

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[quote]SSC wrote:

Wow, so what was acceptable 25 years ago isn’t acceptable now, and vice versa? And this would be any different than the 1800s and now how? [/quote]

Human rights being taken to ridiculous extremes, compensation claims, media influence.

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]SSC wrote:

Wow, so what was acceptable 25 years ago isn’t acceptable now, and vice versa? And this would be any different than the 1800s and now how? [/quote]

Human rights being taken to ridiculous extremes, compensation claims, media influence.[/quote]

For the record, the drastic comparison was done on purpose and sarcastically, haha.

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]anonym wrote:
Would anyone’s opinion change if the father had simply knocked the kid on his ass with one hit and walked away with the kid laying on the ground wondering wtf just happened?[/quote]

No. The kid tried to hit him back after the first punch connected.[/quote]

What I mean is, what if the situation had unfolded such that the father had simply knocked the kid on his ass and walked away with the kid on his back seeing tweety birds?

Would people here still be foaming at the mouth and talking about leaving the dude dangling from a tree branch somewhere?

I am curious as to whether it is the physical violence, itself, that has people outraged or if it has more to do with the seemingly excessive way in which the father handled the altercation.

I am generally against senseless/excessive violence carried out against anyone – even more so when the physical disparity is as great as it is here – but, given the information currently available, I wouldn’t give two shits if the guy had simply smacked the kid once to show him what was up and bounced. Give the kid a nice little heads up that running his mouth can have some serial consequences if he does it to the wrong person without putting him in the hospital.

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[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]anonym wrote:
Would anyone’s opinion change if the father had simply knocked the kid on his ass with one hit and walked away with the kid laying on the ground wondering wtf just happened?[/quote]

No. The kid tried to hit him back after the first punch connected.[/quote]

What I mean is, what if the situation had unfolded such that the father had simply knocked the kid on his ass and walked away with the kid on his back seeing tweety birds?

Would people here still be foaming at the mouth and talking about leaving the dude dangling from a tree branch somewhere?

I am curious as to whether it is the physical violence, itself, that has people outraged or if it has more to do with the seemingly excessive way in which the father handled the altercation.

I am generally against senseless/excessive violence carried out against anyone – even more so when the physical disparity is as great as it is here – but, given the information currently available, I wouldn’t give two shits if the guy had simply smacked the kid once to show him what was up and bounced. Give the kid a nice little heads up that running his mouth can have some serial consequences if he does it to the wrong person without putting him in the hospital.[/quote]
Definitely the excessiveness. There’s a difference between laying someone out and and trying to bash their skull in.

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The behavior of an adult (especially where legalities are concerned) supersedes that of the child.

Yeah, the kid should have kept his mouth shut, but as an adult, Gary should have taken the higher ground. But given the arena in which this all went down, stupidity and reactionary behavior was in great supply that day.

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[quote]SSC wrote:
There is absolutely no way to rationalize a 35-year old man beating down on a (115 lb?) 16 year old.

NO WAY TO RATIONALIZE THIS.[/quote]

I’m going with this one.

No disrespect to anyone’s opinions here at all but intill YOU become a parent…
BTW, I’m agreeing with you SSC so we are clear on this.

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[quote]bond james bond wrote:
No disrespect to anyone’s opinions here at all but intill YOU become a parent… [/quote]

We can’t, what, have an opinion on how kids act in public and how strangers react to that behavior?

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A 16 year old is a potential threat and he doesn’t get a day pass to be an asshole. I once “face mugged” a 16 year old on the basketball court when he decided he was going to “man up” and get in my face. I was in my late 20’s. The law was called. Nothing came of it. And then his “big brother” showed up to the courts the next night. The fact is, any teenager taking a swing at you is a threat, and if he acts in a threatening manner, I think you have a right to REASONABLY respond. You are under no legal obligation to let anyone strike you and a teenager taking a free shot could certainly knock you out or break your nose. Bottom line, lil bastard better not be in my face.

I have to watch the video more closely. I know I would NOT have allowed anyone, of any age - teenage and up, to speak to me aggressively while in my “orbit” - meaning the space he can hit me or vice versa. Would I have decked the kid? No. Absolutely not. You cannot, not matter how much you contort your logic, defend this guy decking this kid unless I seriously missed something in that vid. Self-entitled, pussies, this generation or that, the response did not appear REASONABLE to the threat, and hence illegal. Period. I probably would have taken a step back, while warning him to back the fuck down…if he came closer, we escalate. But there is no way to legally defend punching the kid given the size disparity.

I’m not troubled much by the back yard fight. I tend to believe it’s safer to let two boys duke it out with some supervision rather than let hostilities mushroom and perhaps involve other parties and such. Would I have hosted such a thing? No. Would I have maybe arranged for them to go to the local ring or mat and do their thing? Yes. I can see myself allowing that. Like it or not, in our current society (which is our reality), an adult staging, hosting, “reffing” or otherwise supevising a backyard fight among minors is a recipe for a visit from the law and potential prosecution. Matters not how you feel about it, it’s reality.

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[quote]SSC wrote:
This seems like a thread more full of people that can’t accept that times change and things change.

Wow, so what was acceptable 25 years ago isn’t acceptable now, and vice versa? And this would be any different than the 1800s and now how? Seriously, this is so ridiculously dumb. In today’s world, with media everywhere (media=this shit, Youtube) and very stringent laws that are much more easily reinforced through these social means you HAVE to watch your ass. I don’t give a fuck if the kid was calling him a cock-sucking pussy. You cannot be a full-grown 220 lb 6-FOOT-FUCKING-4 man and beat up a kid and expect to have any justification of doing so.

Now, if we’re making up all these arbitrary and totally abstract situations (because there is only ONE REAL SITUATION) then yeah, if the kid had pulled out a knife or gun then the full grown man would be justified in beating up a 16 year old kid.

I really can’t tell if everyone here has gone full-retard or not. There is nothing to debate, because here’s what happened:

Kid talked shit to full grown man
Full grown man clearly is an adult-sized child and whooped a kid’s ass, sweet!

This is the last time I’ll say it because clearly people are more interested on speculating on what things were like in yesteryear and how (inevitably) how much fucking better every other generation is than this one.[/quote]

You are absolutely right and I’m troubled by some of the logical gymnastics occuring here as well. There is absolutely no legal, ethical or moral justification for this douche bag’s response. You cannot cold cock this kid and then pummel him today, yesterday or 100 years ago. It is unacceptable and illegal now, and it would be illegal 100 years ago, and it will be illegal 100 years from now. It was NOT a reasonable response to the threat. Period.

As I said earlier, I’d hunt this motherfucker down and I’d end up in jail that day. But before I went to jail, or after I made bail, my big mouth tough acting son and I would have “parenting time” to address his transgression to the adult, asshole adult or not.

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[quote]anonym wrote:
Would anyone’s opinion change if the father had simply knocked the kid on his ass with one hit and walked away with the kid laying on the ground wondering wtf just happened?[/quote]

No. Still not a reasonable response. Clear his space is reasonable, either by backing up or holding his arm straight and drawing a line in the sand. Escalate from there.

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[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]anonym wrote:
Would anyone’s opinion change if the father had simply knocked the kid on his ass with one hit and walked away with the kid laying on the ground wondering wtf just happened?[/quote]

No. The kid tried to hit him back after the first punch connected.[/quote]

What I mean is, what if the situation had unfolded such that the father had simply knocked the kid on his ass and walked away with the kid on his back seeing tweety birds?

Would people here still be foaming at the mouth and talking about leaving the dude dangling from a tree branch somewhere?

I am curious as to whether it is the physical violence, itself, that has people outraged or if it has more to do with the seemingly excessive way in which the father handled the altercation.

I am generally against senseless/excessive violence carried out against anyone – even more so when the physical disparity is as great as it is here – but, given the information currently available, I wouldn’t give two shits if the guy had simply smacked the kid once to show him what was up and bounced. Give the kid a nice little heads up that running his mouth can have some serial consequences if he does it to the wrong person without putting him in the hospital.[/quote]

If a grown man punched any of my sons, and my son had not punched him first, that man better have his tickets to leave the country already booked. And I’m still looking for him. I hear there are many fine trees in other countries too.

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Ok…I watched it again. Don’t know what some of you are looking at. Don’t know or care what was said. This guy is getting charged, and he will be found guilty. The law aside, you cannot defend his actions.

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[quote]SSC wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]SSC wrote:

Wow, so what was acceptable 25 years ago isn’t acceptable now, and vice versa? And this would be any different than the 1800s and now how? [/quote]

Human rights being taken to ridiculous extremes, compensation claims, media influence.[/quote]

For the record, the drastic comparison was done on purpose and sarcastically, haha.[/quote]

Just re-read one of your earlier posts. Mea culpa. Glad I didn’t mention helicopters.