Dad Pummels Son's Rival

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
I dont see anything wrong.

I think loud moth kids need to get their faces pounded in when they cross lines. The kid crossed a line and got a lesson taught to him. If I had a son, I would want someone to do that to him to put his punk ass back in his place. Some people need their ass kicked. Kid or not.

You all act like this is new and appauling. Kids have been challendinh adults forever…adults hae been futtig them down forever. That is how it should be. You can bet the kid isnt going to come at anyone crazy anytime soon…

IDK if I agree with a beating that bad…If I was Gary I would have gave him a few shots and wrestled with him a bit until he wore himself out.

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That’s true about kids pushing boundaries, but you have to wonder what the father has been doing that any discipline has to be meted out by another adult. Short of dad not being there or being unable to keep the son on the straight and narrow (through disabilty etc.), I see no excuse for letting your kid act like cock of the walk.

Not when it means that that behaviour ends in a battering from a grown man. The problem was that Gary was always going to be biased towards his son (when his son walks away, Gary tries to get him to come back). It wouldn’t take much trash talk from the other kid to push him over the edge…“I kicked your son’s ass, I’ll kick yours too”, words to that effect.

What I’m saying is, if your son needs to have his ass kicked by a semi-stranger more than twice his age, then you’ve failed him as a parent.

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And what I’m saying reflects how I was raised. All adults in the ommunity were our parents and would not hesitate to put us down.

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There is absolutely no way to rationalize a 35-year old man beating down on a (115 lb?) 16 year old.

NO WAY TO RATIONALIZE THIS.

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[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
I dont see anything wrong.

I think loud moth kids need to get their faces pounded in when they cross lines. The kid crossed a line and got a lesson taught to him. If I had a son, I would want someone to do that to him to put his punk ass back in his place. Some people need their ass kicked. Kid or not.

You all act like this is new and appauling. Kids have been challendinh adults forever…adults hae been futtig them down forever. That is how it should be. You can bet the kid isnt going to come at anyone crazy anytime soon…

IDK if I agree with a beating that bad…If I was Gary I would have gave him a few shots and wrestled with him a bit until he wore himself out.

Dont start no shit
Wont be no shit
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Come to think of it, you and GorillaMon have a point. I wouldn’t have dared insult or talk shit to someone 20 years older than me, and I wouldn’t have expected them to act calmly if I had.
While I wouldn’t talk shit to anyone, I’d have to be under the effect of really heavy drugs in order to talk shit to someone who could whoop my ass… And I don’t do drugs.

Still, beating someone who’s some 100 lbs lighter and whom you were supposed to referee ain’t ok.
For the refereeing part, I guess that theoretically it’d be ok, a mano-al-mano is 1000x better than a gang fight, or a stabbing someone in the back (with a knife) etc., and it might actually be very ok… but it’s kinda stupid, considering the current laws; and filming it was damn stupid…

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[quote]SSC wrote:
There is absolutely no way to rationalize a 35-year old man beating down on a (115 lb?) 16 year old.

NO WAY TO RATIONALIZE THIS.[/quote]

ehh

do any of us know the whole story? There COULD be plenty of good reasons for the kid to be beaten.

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[quote]Loudog75 wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:
… What I’m saying is, if your son needs to have his ass kicked by a semi-stranger more than twice his age, then you’ve failed him as a parent.

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I could agree with that if this was a random encounter. Your kid is at the local 5ndime and gets nasty to somebody but this situation is completely different. Here you have an adult acting like a child (didn’t hear any audio btw) by watching two kids fight and then he can’t keep his hands off another kid.[/quote]

The kid was acting up. Note the strong ILS, circling and bumping of chests with Gary shortly before the kid gets hit with the first punch.

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I have daughters and none are punks. But if one of them comes to me with a problem about another kid, we don’t go into the backyard to take care of it - we go see the girls parents. If they can’t act like adults then and maybe then I have to treat the parents like children and give them a spanking. But hey, somebody has to be the adult.[/quote]

Absolutely. The adult in this case should’ve been Gary, but there is blame on both sides: Gary lost it because he put himself in a situation of control that he couldn’t deal with. He wasn’t a neutral observer and shouldn’t have been in charge. The status levels changed when his son quit. Up until then Gary was fighting the other kid vicariously through his son.

His son conceding defeat was a public humiliation for Gary, who had to have been emotionally invested in the outcome of the fight - he would naturally root for his son.

The other kid didn’t have an outlet for his aggression because the fight was stopped before it reached its natural conclusion, so he turned on Gary. Recipe for disaster.

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[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
I dont see anything wrong.

I think loud moth kids need to get their faces pounded in when they cross lines. The kid crossed a line and got a lesson taught to him. If I had a son, I would want someone to do that to him to put his punk ass back in his place. Some people need their ass kicked. Kid or not.

You all act like this is new and appauling. Kids have been challendinh adults forever…adults hae been futtig them down forever. That is how it should be. You can bet the kid isnt going to come at anyone crazy anytime soon…

IDK if I agree with a beating that bad…If I was Gary I would have gave him a few shots and wrestled with him a bit until he wore himself out.

[/quote]

That’s true about kids pushing boundaries, but you have to wonder what the father has been doing that any discipline has to be meted out by another adult. Short of dad not being there or being unable to keep the son on the straight and narrow (through disabilty etc.), I see no excuse for letting your kid act like cock of the walk.

Not when it means that that behaviour ends in a battering from a grown man. The problem was that Gary was always going to be biased towards his son (when his son walks away, Gary tries to get him to come back). It wouldn’t take much trash talk from the other kid to push him over the edge…“I kicked your son’s ass, I’ll kick yours too”, words to that effect.

What I’m saying is, if your son needs to have his ass kicked by a semi-stranger more than twice his age, then you’ve failed him as a parent.

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And what I’m saying reflects how I was raised. All adults in the ommunity were our parents and would not hesitate to put us down. [/quote]

It shouldn’t have to get that far. ^

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[quote]roybot wrote:

It shouldn’t have to get that far. [1]

…But it does…and just to play devil’s advocate, many of these kids seem to feel they can say and do whatever they please to any authority figure over the age of 18 and that the person can’t do anything to fight back.

In our society, they are basically right.

My mom is a teacher…and I wouldn’t be working as one for long if I had kids speaking to me the way they have to her at times leaving her with no options in the situation but to retreat and call parents who won’t do anything to discipline the child anyway.

Was this situation retarded? Yes. Don’t set up a fight between two kids like this without expecting jail time, whether you hit one or not unless all parents are cool with it. If they are, don’t beat up a kid on VIDEO.

However, why would a kid like that even feel he had a chance of standing up to someone twice his size and age?

I think that is where the discussion really is here…not a thread filled with people harping on how they would act if their kid got randomly hit.

There was nothing random about this…and none of us knows if the other parents weren’t all in on this.

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[quote]Sterneneisen wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
I dont see anything wrong.

I think loud moth kids need to get their faces pounded in when they cross lines. The kid crossed a line and got a lesson taught to him. If I had a son, I would want someone to do that to him to put his punk ass back in his place. Some people need their ass kicked. Kid or not.

You all act like this is new and appauling. Kids have been challendinh adults forever…adults hae been futtig them down forever. That is how it should be. You can bet the kid isnt going to come at anyone crazy anytime soon…

IDK if I agree with a beating that bad…If I was Gary I would have gave him a few shots and wrestled with him a bit until he wore himself out.

Dont start no shit
Wont be no shit
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Come to think of it, you and GorillaMon have a point. I wouldn’t have dared insult or talk shit to someone 20 years older than me, and I wouldn’t have expected them to act calmly if I had.
While I wouldn’t talk shit to anyone, I’d have to be under the effect of really heavy drugs in order to talk shit to someone who could whoop my ass… And I don’t do drugs.

Still, beating someone who’s some 100 lbs lighter and whom you were supposed to referee ain’t ok.
For the refereeing part, I guess that theoretically it’d be ok, a mano-al-mano is 1000x better than a gang fight, or a stabbing someone in the back (with a knife) etc., and it might actually be very ok… but it’s kinda stupid, considering the current laws; and filming it was damn stupid…[/quote]

I remember lots of conflicts being settled in backyard boxing matches, regulated and ref’d (Usually by older siblings).

There were some homes where the adults would be the ref. I think their theory was that it was better to put gloves on and hash it out in a controlled environment as opposed to the inevitable; two hot headed teens going at it in an empty field or back alley somewhere.

Interestingly, these were the same homes who tolerated underage drinking as long as nobody drove.

We thought these homes were awesome but looking back now these parents missed prime opportunities to teach life lessons rather than avoid them.

And for an adult to jump in… his son and his son’s frenemy both will have jaded ideas on how to handle tough situations.

Plus, where was the beaten kid’s dad? I have a sneaking suspicion he was one of the fat fucks hanging around with a stupid smile on his face, too scared to intervene though he wanted to, while his wife in the black ran off and probably returned later to fuck the now felon.

The whole situation is fucked up and wrong.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

It shouldn’t have to get that far. [1]

…But it does…and just to play devil’s advocate, many of these kids seem to feel they can say and do whatever they please to any authority figure over the age of 18 and that the person can’t do anything to fight back.

In our society, they are basically right.

My mom is a teacher…and I wouldn’t be working as one for long if I had kids speaking to me the way they have to her at times leaving her with no options in the situation but to retreat and call parents who won’t do anything to discipline the child anyway.

Was this situation retarded? Yes. Don’t set up a fight between two kids like this without expecting jail time, whether you hit one or not unless all parents are cool with it. If they are, don’t beat up a kid on VIDEO.

However, why would a kid like that even feel he had a chance of standing up to someone twice his size and age?

I think that is where the discussion really is here…not a thread filled with people harping on how they would act if their kid got randomly hit.

There was nothing random about this…and none of us knows if the other parents weren’t all in on this.[/quote]

My mom is a teacher as well, and her stories are appalling. She teaches in Katy too, a very mild mannered district.

Discipline has grown waaaaaaay to soft. Baby boomers think my generation is entitled and spoiled, largely thanks to their parenting, but my own son’s generation is going to be royally fucked.

People are so concerned with being politically correct and protecting feelings they forget that sometimes a kid has to smell his shit to know it stinks.

Edit: Not that a 35 yr old beating up a 16 year old is ok. That dude has issues.

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^That’s what I mean. We have raised a bunch of kids to feel entitled. The world doesn’t work that way. 100 years ago, that same 16 year old kid would be pretty much seen as a grown man in society, not some kid that needed the protection of the whole world if a grown man hit him for mouthing off.

16 isn’t that young. I was driving and working by 16. I was not some kid who didn’t know what he was saying and doing.

Yeah, this situation was screwed up possibly more than we even know…but let’s get serious. In the real world, you don’t get to say what you please without any consequences just because you feel “safe” due to social issues.

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This seems like a thread more full of people that can’t accept that times change and things change.

Wow, so what was acceptable 25 years ago isn’t acceptable now, and vice versa? And this would be any different than the 1800s and now how? Seriously, this is so ridiculously dumb. In today’s world, with media everywhere (media=this shit, Youtube) and very stringent laws that are much more easily reinforced through these social means you HAVE to watch your ass. I don’t give a fuck if the kid was calling him a cock-sucking pussy. You cannot be a full-grown 220 lb 6-FOOT-FUCKING-4 man and beat up a kid and expect to have any justification of doing so.

Now, if we’re making up all these arbitrary and totally abstract situations (because there is only ONE REAL SITUATION) then yeah, if the kid had pulled out a knife or gun then the full grown man would be justified in beating up a 16 year old kid.

I really can’t tell if everyone here has gone full-retard or not. There is nothing to debate, because here’s what happened:

Kid talked shit to full grown man
Full grown man clearly is an adult-sized child and whooped a kid’s ass, sweet!

This is the last time I’ll say it because clearly people are more interested on speculating on what things were like in yesteryear and how (inevitably) how much fucking better every other generation is than this one.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

However, why would a kid like that even feel he had a chance of standing up to someone twice his size and age?
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Hormones, not satisfying his fight-or-flight response by not finishing the fight with the other kid, status struggle with the ref, and total fearlessness/ ignorance of the consequences based on previous encounters. Or he’s just flat-out stupid.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
^That’s what I mean. We have raised a bunch of kids to feel entitled. The world doesn’t work that way. 100 years ago, that same 16 year old kid would be pretty much seen as a grown man in society, not some kid that needed the protection of the whole world if a grown man hit him for mouthing off.

16 isn’t that young. I was driving and working by 16. I was not some kid who didn’t know what he was saying and doing.

Yeah, this situation was screwed up possibly more than we even know…but let’s get serious. In the real world, you don’t get to say what you please without any consequences just because you feel “safe” due to social issues.
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But who is entitled to deal out consequence? Vigilantism isn’t appropriate either. Technically any angry guy who felt the old man went over the line and should pay could visit him and deliver a consequence.

I think the real issue is that the way the 16 year old was treated was waaaaay out of bounds.

This dude was just a bully with no self control. No real lessons were taught, the 16 year old was never a real threat to be handled and nobody realized anything important from any of it.

The 35 yr. old needs a spanking and a time out.

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[quote]SSC wrote:
Kid talked shit to full grown man
Full grown man clearly is an adult-sized child and whooped a kid’s ass, sweet!
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Yep, that pretty much covers it.

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[quote]SSC wrote:
This seems like a thread more full of people that can’t accept that times change and things change.

Wow, so what was acceptable 25 years ago isn’t acceptable now, and vice versa? And this would be any different than the 1800s and now how? Seriously, this is so ridiculously dumb. In today’s world, with media everywhere (media=this shit, Youtube) and very stringent laws that are much more easily reinforced through these social means you HAVE to watch your ass. I don’t give a fuck if the kid was calling him a cock-sucking pussy. You cannot be a full-grown 220 lb 6-FOOT-FUCKING-4 man and beat up a kid and expect to have any justification of doing so.

Now, if we’re making up all these arbitrary and totally abstract situations (because there is only ONE REAL SITUATION) then yeah, if the kid had pulled out a knife or gun then the full grown man would be justified in beating up a 16 year old kid.

I really can’t tell if everyone here has gone full-retard or not. There is nothing to debate, because here’s what happened:

Kid talked shit to full grown man
Full grown man clearly is an adult-sized child and whooped a kid’s ass, sweet!

This is the last time I’ll say it because clearly people are more interested on speculating on what things were like in yesteryear and how (inevitably) how much fucking better every other generation is than this one.[/quote]

I like how you jump in to threads, deliver an opinion based on your perceptions of the topic and peace out.

Super self-justification to the max, hopefully you don’t apply this self-righteous attitude to beating children.

Edit: deliver an opinion, based on your perception as if it were fact. My original post made zero sense, I know. Totally forgot to type this part.

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[quote]SSC wrote:
This seems like a thread more full of people that can’t accept that times change and things change.

Wow, so what was acceptable 25 years ago isn’t acceptable now, and vice versa? And this would be any different than the 1800s and now how? [/quote]

The 1800’s were over a century ago. 25 years ago was literally the previous generation. Yes, society changes, but seriously, they are even finding men today have less testosterone than just 25 years ago. Just because things do change doesn’t mean things get better or that it is natural progression.

100 years go by and you expect major social change.

If 2 decades go by and men start acting like women, someone may want to start paying attention.

I am not saying that in relation to this situation.

However, I am saying that yeah, this situation was wrong…and also that when I was 16, I wouldn’t have thought I could get away with talking back like that to someone literally twice my size and age.

I don’t know about anyone else, but I am speaking about issues outside of just this one instance because I don’t want to spend much time yelling, “Yeah, kill the grown guy who hit a kid!!”.

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Would anyone’s opinion change if the father had simply knocked the kid on his ass with one hit and walked away with the kid laying on the ground wondering wtf just happened?

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
^That’s what I mean. We have raised a bunch of kids to feel entitled. The world doesn’t work that way. 100 years ago, that same 16 year old kid would be pretty much seen as a grown man in society, not some kid that needed the protection of the whole world if a grown man hit him for mouthing off.

16 isn’t that young. I was driving and working by 16. I was not some kid who didn’t know what he was saying and doing.

Yeah, this situation was screwed up possibly more than we even know…but let’s get serious. In the real world, you don’t get to say what you please without any consequences just because you feel “safe” due to social issues.
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But who is entitled to deal out consequence? Vigilantism isn’t appropriate either. Technically any angry guy who felt the old man went over the line and should pay could visit him and deliver a consequence.

I think the real issue is that the way the 16 year old was treated was waaaaay out of bounds.

This dude was just a bully with no self control. No real lessons were taught, the 16 year old was never a real threat to be handled and nobody realized anything important from any of it.

The 35 yr. old needs a spanking and a time out.[/quote]

Oh, the kid didn’t learn shit from this but how to act like a douche…and also that the whole world will side with him if another adult steps to him.

This situation was a fail.

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
nobody realized anything important from any of it.
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I learned that you should never agree to fight someone with their dad as ref unless you know you can beat them both.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
^That’s what I mean. We have raised a bunch of kids to feel entitled. The world doesn’t work that way. 100 years ago, that same 16 year old kid would be pretty much seen as a grown man in society, not some kid that needed the protection of the whole world if a grown man hit him for mouthing off.

16 isn’t that young. I was driving and working by 16. I was not some kid who didn’t know what he was saying and doing.

Yeah, this situation was screwed up possibly more than we even know…but let’s get serious. In the real world, you don’t get to say what you please without any consequences just because you feel “safe” due to social issues.
[/quote]

But who is entitled to deal out consequence? Vigilantism isn’t appropriate either. Technically any angry guy who felt the old man went over the line and should pay could visit him and deliver a consequence.

I think the real issue is that the way the 16 year old was treated was waaaaay out of bounds.

This dude was just a bully with no self control. No real lessons were taught, the 16 year old was never a real threat to be handled and nobody realized anything important from any of it.

The 35 yr. old needs a spanking and a time out.[/quote]

Oh, the kid didn’t learn shit from this but how to act like a douche…and also that the whole world will side with him if another adult steps to him.

This situation was a fail.[/quote]

Bingo! A damaging situation all around. Sometimes it’s better for an adult to be a wise old sage than a stronger physical specimen. This was one of those scenarios. True lessons could have undoubtedly been taught but now a kid is losing his dad to jail, another kid will be aching for revenge, nobody will know how to act appropriately and I wouldn’t doubt we will see the same cast of characters on the news again.