test 250mg/wk - 24 wks
EQ 600mg/wk - 20 wks
Decca 200wl - 12 wks
Dbol - 30mg/day - first 4-5 weeks
Standard PCT - Nolva HCG
Was thinking of throwing something else in there towards the end of the cycel to cut me down
Any tips?
Deca shouldn’t be ran for PCT guys. First cycle shouldn’t look like this either.
Fairly certain this is a troll. Could have done better
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I never said Decca for PCT ?
PCT is Nolva and HCG…
This isn’t my first cycle eithe
I believe what he meant is Deca should not be ran for guys that have to PCT (some here just revert back to TRT or a high cruise).
What have your other cycles looked like (dosages per week/day)?
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Deca is hard to recover from due to it’s long activity time in your body. Even the nandrolone metabolites can still be seen in blood for up to 18 months. If you plan to cycle off, nandrolone is not a good choice.
Also, It should also probably be run longer than 12 weeks. More like 14-16. 12 weeks gets you hitting your stride with deca and then you drop it. If you want to run it for 12 weeks you could try NPP or nand cyp (however, nand cyp is pretty rare).
What does your cycle history look like and what are your goals with this cycle?
Great advice, how would ths compare to something like Tren?
Basically. what you’re saying is If I run Decca, I’ll want trt ;p
I wamt to bulk up currently at 80kg 12 bg%. Want to get to 90kg themd w f
My bad, your original thread title made it seem that way
What did your other cycles look like?
previously cycles
500mg test e
600mg eq
var (forgot dose but minimal)
Mast 250mg
sorry, changed title
this better:
test 250mg/wk - 24 wks
EQ 600mg/wk - 20 wks
NPP 200wl - 12 wks
Dbol - 30mg/day - first 4-5 weeks
PCT as normal HCG + Nolva
My goal:
To put on size and strength throughout then cut and get lean and dry @ end
Tren is worse than nandrolone as far as HPTA recovery, so you might as well throw that one out the window as well. Not only that but it is just generally highly toxic compared to other AAS (I use tren, so I am not saying not to, I am saying you really need to consider what you’re putting into your body and if it is worth the risk).
It doesn’t matter which compounds you run, if you are not eating in a surplus, you will not grow. So the first thing you need to evaluate is your nutrition. If you are having a hard time eating, EQ seems to increase appetite which will help with your goals.
Both Dbol and anadrol will help put on size, most of which is temporary.
You didn’t mention your height, but if you can’t go from 80 to 90kg while on 500 test and 600 EQ, no amount of AAS will get you there, and you need to really dial in your training, diet, and recovery/sleep. Unless you’re 1.5m tall, then 80-90kg is stout, but I am guessing you’re close to 1.7-1.8m
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I’m 1.8m. Maybe just stick to dbol EQ and test.
I eat like a macktuck which you’re right Eq helps a lot with that as I am a hard gainer
Today the approach to cycle length is much different than we did in the '70’s, '80’s, and '90’s. We never stayed on a cycle longer than 12 weeks (a few guys, maybe 16 weeks), because it was believed that your binding sites became desensitized over time.
Personally, my non-contest cycles were 8 weeks on, 4 weeks off. I did 12 week cycles for a contest (that too followed with 4 weeks off). In fact, on 12 week cycles, I would increase the dosage in the latter half of the cycle, because I feared my binding sites were becoming desensitized and more AAS’s would give me the same result that less did at the beginning of the cycle.
I think this is a much better plan. Nandrolone is just hard to recover from. I am actually running NPP right now, so again, I am not trying to be a hypocrite, but I will go back to TRT when I am done.
Did you like your 500 test 600 EQ cycle? Did that cycle do what you wanted it to? You do not have to use different compounds every time to see results. If it worked before, try it again. If you feel like you need a little more, do a small increase in compounds. I would bump it up to 500 test and 800 EQ but ONLY IF you do now feel you are getting results at 600.
Eating copious amounts of food helps to put on weight, but there is a big difference between adding lean mass and adding fat. I have been recomping for about 16 months now and about 2/3 of that time has just been spent at TRT or off gear altogether (long story short I came off of everything for two months during an eye injury). During that time I have dropped about 28 lbs of fat and gained almost 15 lbs of lean tissue. But I also REALLY dialed in my nutrition and recovery/sleep.
I personally believe the sleep/recovery aspect of training is the most overlooked aspect of it all. We live in a society that rewards as little sleep as possible, when in reality that is incredibly unhealthy and detrimental to gainz
How’d this work out? Why not just run it again (assuming it worked with minimal sides). Shit just 500mg Test + 50mg Var should get you up 10kg, and it’s a lot simpler
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RIP your e2. You need estrogen to build muscle (and not feel like shit) and this is a recipe for smashed e2 and hobbled gains.
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you should want trt anyways, as cycling is just moronic… nothing good has ever came out of that - we have every second new topic here on guys not being able to get their dicks hard because of cycling and then comming off…
when you come off you lose 100% of gains sooner or later… no matter what you gain, if you take a year off and your PCT is good, the best result is - back to where you were in the first place…
cycling is just renting muscle for 2 months and then dealing with 50-50 chance of fucked up life.
that amount of EQ with that low test will have your e2 into ground…
my e2 is on the low end of normal on 400mg test and 150mg EQ…
no such thing as hardgainer, only a person who wants to do the easy part(train) and doesnt treat the actual hard part(eating) seriously…
its not hardgainer or ectomorph, its just a lazy fuck who only wants to do the easiest things in this lifestyle… everyone can train… but only those who have discipline can eat when they dont wanna, or dont eat when they do want.
mast rarely does shit, but almost always does nothing at 250mg/wk… i kinda get the feeling you dont really know enough about drugs…
can you post your best physique picture, so we can understand where are you at? suggesting steroids without seeing a person is kinda like going to war without ever holding a gun in your hand… its blind luck.
This is so unbelievably true. If my diet was as good as my training I would be a whole different person. The eating is everything.
Its because there is no glamour in swallowing food without chewing to just save time and pain, or blending up meals with tomatoe juice and chuging it over a bathtub in case it comes back up.
All the fame goes to lifting weights and nowdays - also drugs. Every moron goes to gym, and every moron pumps himself with test, and 99% of people in the gym and on steroids look like they have never been to the gym.
Muscle is not made out of good wishes, positive toughts and training hard. Muscle is only made through the mouth and it is always the hardest part.
I am a “hardgainer” - i am never hungry, i dont really like food, i dont really like the taste of most foods. When i was lean, i was doing IF with no problem of eating once a day. But i did bulk to 260lbs now, because i just take the food intake more serious than training. It doesnt have to look good with you sitting at the table and eating. Nope… i mostly swallow food and then gag a bit, then swallow and gag a bit… and i do that for 30mins until my 2000kcals for that meal is done, and i do that 3 times a day.
My gf said long time ago when this was new to her : “i have never seen anyone suffer so much when eating”. Eating is harder than maxing deadlifts or doing 1h cardio. Much harder.
Hardgainers usually are just kids who wanna do the stuff they see on IG, not the stuff needs to be done.
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