Cycle Proposal (First Cycle)

Pharma / TRT
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Hi guys. I’m 21 on the 20th of this month. I have been training 3 years for bodybuilding, 7 years total for athletic purposes. I am 225 lbs. at 13% bodyfat. My key lifts are front squats at 255x5, db bench at 120sx6, and pullups at 50x2 (50 lbs+my 210).

I have never used any steroids other than epistane. I gained a little under 20 lbs. of weight with this compound on a cycle of 20,30,30,40 and PCT of Nolva at 40,40,20,20. I retained all of my gains and continued increasing in weight, and now I sit at my 225 lbs. I have read that many people lose the gains they acquire while using orals, but I must be one lucky bastard.

At any rate, I have had blood tests taken multiple times during the year which show free test at 31+ picogram/mL. I have been told by the doctor that this is unusually high, but my estradiol level is also high at an astounding 94 picograms/mL.

Maybe too much information, but I think you guys can handle it.

My first goal is to try out Bill Roberts 2 on/4 off cycle, but instead bump the off time down to 2 week, instead of the proposed/tests 4. For what reason? Pure experimentation.

I’m planning on Test Prop at 500 mg/w.

Week 1: Test Prop 70 mg ED + Letrozole at 0.36 mL/d
Week 2: Test Prop 70 mg ED + Letrozole at 0.36 mL/d
Week 3: Nolva at 120 first day, 20 mg/d for the next 6.
Week 4: Nolva at 20mg/d

I will repeat this 4 more times, each one after the other.

Reason for Test Prop is that no other test will act fast enough. Another reason is that Test is the backbone of a man’s hormonal system, and that is what I want coursing through my veins most.

Letrozole is to control my E2 levels (I have pubertal gyno) and the Nolva is at 20mg/d because the fast rebound should not require the full 40/d, but instead the front load should cover me. I think. This is my biggest worry.

My goal is to put on as much mass as possible without too much shutdown. 500 mg/w seems reasonable.

ED shots might be a bit much though. What about EOD? Any opinions on that with Prop? I know it has a 2 day halflife, so it seems my blood levels would drop very low by the second day.

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If you are 225lbs, how are your pullups 50 plus your 210?? And test suspension is much faster than test prop.

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Those blood levels mean nothing to us without the range. Please post it.

As far as 2/2 or 2/4 goes, you can do what you’d please. My thoughts are Bill Roberts knows more about this than either you or I do, but I’m probably wasting time, as people always want to do it ‘their own way.’

Shoot the prop every day. Injecting isn’t as bad as you expect. If you have any sort of muscle, you can pretty much hit any of the spot injections just fine.

Why Letro over Arimidex? I’ve only used Arimidex, but have read horror stories of people driving their E2 too low with Letro. As long as you can afford to have blood test done, this isn’t (or shouldn’t be) a problem.

Test Suspension is faster than prop, but IMO not appropriate for this application. Most people using Test Suspension are still using an estered test as a base.

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The range for free test is 9.3-26.5 picogram/mL
The range for E2 is 3-70 picogram/mL

to tw2battl2: strong back?

to DOHCrazy: I’ll shoot ED, any suggestions on rotation of sites? I choose letro because I have experience with it in the past and at 0.36 mL I was doing great. I can also afford the blood tests. I don’t have a sources for test suspension, thanks for letting me know about it. I can see why people would use a combination. I also don’t feel like injection 2 or 3 times a day.

Also, I can get my hands on research chem nolva or pill nolva. I’ve heard pill nolva works a bit better/is higher grade, any comments? Can I dose less mg/d with the pills?

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[quote]DatBmoo wrote:
to tw2battl2: strong back?
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No, he meant how come you wrote “my 210” implying your bodyweight was 210, when earlier you said it was 225.

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[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:

[quote]DatBmoo wrote:
to tw2battl2: strong back?
[/quote]

No, he meant how come you wrote “my 210” implying your bodyweight was 210, when earlier you said it was 225.[/quote]

My weight at the time was 210, when I did the 50x2.

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[quote]DatBmoo wrote:
I’ll shoot ED, any suggestions on rotation of sites?
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I was thinking about this yesterday for my upcoming cycle with prop, and i’m going to shoot: left delt, right delt, left quad, right quad, left glute, right glute, left ventroglute, and right ventroglute.

I’m going to be using slin pins for my delts and quads, so I figured I’d inject those two sites right next to each other so I can backload 4 slin pins and not have them sitting around longer than 3 or so days.

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Also, I can get my hands on research chem nolva or pill nolva. I’ve heard pill nolva works a bit better/is higher grade, any comments? Can I dose less mg/d with the pills?[/quote]

Get the pill nolva, definitely. Most research chem labs underdose their products.

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[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

[quote]DatBmoo wrote:
I’ll shoot ED, any suggestions on rotation of sites?
[/quote]

I was thinking about this yesterday for my upcoming cycle with prop, and i’m going to shoot: left delt, right delt, left quad, right quad, left glute, right glute, left ventroglute, and right ventroglute.

I’m going to be using slin pins for my delts and quads, so I figured I’d inject those two sites right next to each other so I can backload 4 slin pins and not have them sitting around longer than 3 or so days.

[quote]
Also, I can get my hands on research chem nolva or pill nolva. I’ve heard pill nolva works a bit better/is higher grade, any comments? Can I dose less mg/d with the pills?[/quote]

Get the pill nolva, definitely. Most research chem labs underdose their products.[/quote]

Thanks for the advice. I’ll be sure to get the pill form. I’ll be sure to steal your rotation as well.

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[quote]DatBmoo wrote:

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

[quote]DatBmoo wrote:
I’ll shoot ED, any suggestions on rotation of sites?
[/quote]

I was thinking about this yesterday for my upcoming cycle with prop, and i’m going to shoot: left delt, right delt, left quad, right quad, left glute, right glute, left ventroglute, and right ventroglute.

I’m going to be using slin pins for my delts and quads, so I figured I’d inject those two sites right next to each other so I can backload 4 slin pins and not have them sitting around longer than 3 or so days.

[quote]
Also, I can get my hands on research chem nolva or pill nolva. I’ve heard pill nolva works a bit better/is higher grade, any comments? Can I dose less mg/d with the pills?[/quote]

Get the pill nolva, definitely. Most research chem labs underdose their products.[/quote]

Thanks for the advice. I’ll be sure to get the pill form. I’ll be sure to steal your rotation as well.[/quote]

I agree on the pill form. Having used both, I will never go back to a RC site for Adex or Nolva. The pill form is a bit more expensive, but worth it IMO.

I shoot Glutes, Delts, Biceps, and Pecs. I have done triceps and quads before. I do not like doing my quads at all, too much pain for me. rrjc’s site protocol is a little more user friendly, but I haven’t had any problems with my pecs or biceps. Right now they are getting 1.5ml per site per injection.

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[quote]DOHCrazy wrote:
I agree on the pill form. Having used both, I will never go back to a RC site for Adex or Nolva. The pill form is a bit more expensive, but worth it IMO.
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How do you taper the Adex in pill form? I’ve been thinking about using pill Adex or Letro, but I’m not sure how to get an accurate dose beyond 1/2s and 1/4s. Do you grind the pill down and weigh the powder out?

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[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:

[quote]DOHCrazy wrote:
I agree on the pill form. Having used both, I will never go back to a RC site for Adex or Nolva. The pill form is a bit more expensive, but worth it IMO.
[/quote]

How do you taper the Adex in pill form? I’ve been thinking about using pill Adex or Letro, but I’m not sure how to get an accurate dose beyond 1/2s and 1/4s. Do you grind the pill down and weigh the powder out?[/quote]

I personally only use short ester drugs, so haven’t had a situation where I need to taper the Adex.

The pills I use are IP .25mg. I am currently on .375mg/day, which gets my E2 levels into the teens. This is while using Test/Tren at 350/700 a week. I use a regular pill cutter from CVS to cut them in half. Some times they crumble, but I use a pill organizer for the week, so I just dump the crumbles into it, and then when I take it each day, I just dump the contents of the organizer directly into my mouth.

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Thanks, the pill organiser is a good idea.