Cycle/Diet Advice

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I’ll be stepping on stage next June in the super heavy category for the Ontario provincials. I won my qualifier this past May at 223lbs with good but not great conditioning. For my structure I need a lot more lean mass to look decent and hopefully qualify for nationals so for the next 6-7 moths before my prep begins I need to pack on lotsa mass and keep myself lean enough so my prep isn’t a nightmare like last time.

I’ve been cruising on 250mg/W of Test for the past few months after my show and I’m planning on a 16 week blast:

Test E: 1.5g/W
Deca: 500mg/W (frontloaded)
EQ: 400mg/W (frontloaded)
T3: 25mcg/D
Caber: 0.5mg/E3D
Adex: 0.5mg/D (or as needed)

GH (Serostim or Hyg): 12iu/E3D shot 5x/D IV and IM, run all the way till prep begins then 4-6iu/D SC
Humalog: 5-10iu pre-workout IM, 4 weeks on, 4 weeks off till prep begins
After my blast is done I’ll “cruise” on 500mg/W Test E alongside GH and Slin till prep starts.

There are a lot of firsts in this cycle for me. Never have I run Test this high, first time with Deca, EQ, GH and Slin.

My day will look like this:
5am - GH 3iu IV
Calves/Abs + 15min HIT
or 45min slow cradio
7:00 - Egg whites, ground turkey, oats (50g carbs)
10:00 - Lean cut of beef, eggs, veggies (0g carbs)
11:00 - GH 2iu IV
1:00 - Lean cut of beef, eggs, veggies (0g carbs)
4:00 - Chicken breast/white fish, yams (75g carbs)
5:00 - GH 3iu IM + 10iu Humalog
PreWO shake (10g BCAA, 50g Carbs)
5:30 - 6:30 Training
IntarWO shake (15g BCAA, 100g Carbs)
6:30 - GH 2iu IV
PostWO shake (60g Isowhey, 50g Carbs)
7:30 - Chicken breast/white fish , white rice (75g Carbs)
10:00 - Lean cut of beef, veggies (0g carbs)
Pre-bed - GH 2iu IV

My biggest concern is getting fat on slin. Any suggestions/advice on my cycle and diet is much appreciated.

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I wouldn’t suggest frontloading your aas

I wouldn’t use EQ either.

using fast-acting insulin 1x/day only on workout days wont avail much. you want insulin to be active longer in your system…

diet and gh are what will keep you from getting fat. if you are using legit serostim, then you shouldn’t have too much to worry about.

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Thanks for the response Walkway.
I think I just read on another thread where you said frontloading or kick starting will desensitize the body. Do you know by any chance exactly why/how that happens?
I’ll take up your advice and won’t frontload and will drop EQ. Should I add in something else instead of it, or up my doses, or just run the same cycle minus the EQ?
Regarding slin, point taken. I’ll pin 5-10iu humulin-R upon wake and mid-day and 5-10iu humalog 20-30min pre-WO. On off days I’ll drop the pre-WO dose.
Diet wise, my understanding is that while insulin is elevated in my system, I should keep fat intake minimal. Are there any other things I need to keep in mind to keep my diet dialed in?
One last thing, I’ve heard about the 4 weeks on 4 weeks off approach but not sure why it’s practiced or if it’s optimal. Any comments on that?

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[quote] AnabolicMelvin wrote:
Thanks for the response Walkway.
I think I just read on another thread where you said frontloading or kick starting will desensitize the body. Do you know by any chance exactly why/how that happens?[/quote]

it will certainly desensitize your body to aas more quickly. your body upregulates AR during exogenous hormone administration, and there is also AR proliferation, therefore it takes more aas in order to cause maximum anabolism. for example, say you only have enough receptors so that 500mg of test causes maximum anabolism, you run that for 10 weeks, then you gain more receptors and you need 1000mg to cause maximum anabolism, 500mg won’t do much of anything for you anymore except help you maintain what you have gained. it is believed that front loading causes this to happen more quickly… so you start off with 1000-1500 for the first week causing proliferation, then drop down to 800 or whatever and rob yourself of maximum anabolism.

there could also be myostatin expression-related causes

i would systematically increase the doses of test and deca as your cycle progresses, maybe swap deca out for tren around 8-10 weeks (8 weeks is fine if pinning EOD)

[quote]Regarding slin, point taken. I’ll pin 5-10iu humulin-R upon wake and mid-day and 5-10iu humalog 20-30min pre-WO. On off days I’ll drop the pre-WO dose.
Diet wise, my understanding is that while insulin is elevated in my system, I should keep fat intake minimal. Are there any other things I need to keep in mind to keep my diet dialed in?
One last thing, I’ve heard about the 4 weeks on 4 weeks off approach but not sure why it’s practiced or if it’s optimal. Any comments on that? [/quote]

im not sure how many use insulin every day, most who i know use humulin R 3x a day, 3-4 days a week.

as for keeping fat in diet… eliminating fat from your diet will make it hard to grow, i have 160g of fat a day, so removing fat would erase ~1500 cal from my diet… i consume fats… and haven’t gotten fat, i believe it’s broscience… do you get mega-buff when you eat too much protein? do your glycogen stores get super massive when you eat too many carbs? i think overeating on slin is what makes you fat… same principle as when off slin.

i cycle slin 4 weeks on, 4 off… though i know guys who use insulin 6 months at a time… insulin can make you diabetic (as can GH, as can a terrible diet). just be wise.

i also see that you are pinning hgh numerous times a day, is there a reason for that? i don’t think it will be beneficial to do that with insulin in your system as they contradict each other

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I was under the impression that any fatty acids in the blood in the presence of insulin would be stored in fat cells. I’ll have to re-think that one!

I’m following the GH protocol BBB introduced here a while ago and some users reported good results with it. In case you’re not aware of the thread, I think the concept is that a high and quick peak and quick clearance in the system will do a better job at elevating IGF-I levels and also minimizes long term sides hence the IV route and the E3D multiple times a day pins.
I also think I’ve read that the presence of both gh and insulin in the system at the same time signals the liver to produce maximal IGF-I maximizing growth. Insulin would only negate the fat burning properties of gh if I’m not mistaken.

That being said I think I can pin gh on 3 training days a week and pin the slin on the other 3 training days. Would it make sense to keep them on separate days this way?