Guys! I?m torn. I?m planning my first cycle and I?m not sure whether to go for this one
W 1-10 Test Enth 250mg E3D
W 1-12 Adex 0.25mg EOD (reduce to 0.125mg EOD in last week)
W 6-12 Proviron 25mg 2x/d
W 1-12 Nolva 20mg/d if gyno symptoms start to show
Or this one
W 1-10 Test Enth 250mg E3D
W 1-4 Epistane 40mg 3x/d (start at 10mg increase 10mg a day till 40mg)
W 6-12 Proviron 25mg 2x/d
W 1-12 Nolva 20mg/d if gyno symptoms start to show
The first one is pretty standard, I think.
But the second one I thought I?d use epistane to kickstart the cycle a bit. Now, I know dbol would be better to kickstart a cycle but I don?t want to put on lots of water mass, I?m really looking for lean muscle gains, so I thought epistane would be a better kicksart. I also thought I could get rid of the adex as epistane is an anti estrogen in itself.
But what do you guys think?
I?m 23 years old, been training since 15, 6 foot 2 inches, about 190pounds and 15% body fat?.ish.
Q1:Answer: My aim is lean body mass, not water weight. Also I don’t want to become huge in 4 weeks, it’ll raise suspicion at work.
Q2:Answer: I was only going to take it if I started to get gyno, which I’m hoping doesn’t happen
Q3:Answer: Good Point, any suggestions?
So I guess you think the first one would be better? Or the first one with dianabol for the first 4 weeks?
You would still be better off using an oral AAS as not all oral AAS will cause a significant amount of water retention.
I’m not sure if epistane is anti-estrogenic as I have no experience with pro-hormone/steroids. I will assume it to be a weak anti-estrogen at best if at all. At 250mg E3D you will be at 583mg/week. I would certainly not trust an unproven pro-hormone for that task.
If you are worried about gyno then start your Adex dose at .25mg ED and adjust from there. Take you dose ED no matter what anyway. I don’t understand why people don’t want to keep blood levels as steady as possible. Besides, its easier to remember to take it everyday. Save the Nolva for later.
[quote]benyd wrote:
Guys! I?m torn. I?m planning my first cycle and I?m not sure whether to go for this one
W 1-10 Test Enth 250mg E3D
W 1-12 Adex 0.25mg EOD (reduce to 0.125mg EOD in last week)
W 6-12 Proviron 25mg 2x/d
W 1-12 Nolva 20mg/d if gyno symptoms start to show
Or this one
W 1-10 Test Enth 250mg E3D
W 1-4 Epistane 40mg 3x/d (start at 10mg increase 10mg a day till 40mg)
W 6-12 Proviron 25mg 2x/d
W 1-12 Nolva 20mg/d if gyno symptoms start to show
The first one is pretty standard, I think.
But the second one I thought I?d use epistane to kickstart the cycle a bit. Now, I know dbol would be better to kickstart a cycle but I don?t want to put on lots of water mass, I?m really looking for lean muscle gains, so I thought epistane would be a better kicksart. I also thought I could get rid of the adex as epistane is an anti estrogen in itself.
But what do you guys think?
I?m 23 years old, been training since 15, 6 foot 2 inches, about 190pounds and 15% body fat?.ish.
PCT
W 13 Nolva 20mg 2xD
W 14-16 Nolva 20mg
Many Thanks, your input is greatly appreciated.
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I’m nobody to tell someone to not use AAS…but your stats struck me as a bit odd. I’m the same height as you and only a year older…but you have 4 years more training than me, weigh about 20 lbs less than me, and have a higher bf% than me. Just made me think maybe something is off with your training and juice isn’t what you need at the moment. Just sayin’.
I’m nobody to tell someone to not use AAS…but your stats struck me as a bit odd. I’m the same height as you and only a year older…but you have 4 years more training than me, weigh about 20 lbs less than me, and have a higher bf% than me. Just made me think maybe something is off with your training and juice isn’t what you need at the moment. Just sayin’.
Well to be honest I’m just guestimating, my stats, I’m not entirly sure what my weight is, nor do I have any clue as to what my bodyfat is, I can see my abs though, but I’m not exactly completely shredded. I just assumed it’d be about 15%.
To WHB:
Thanks for the comments, the reason for epistane is cause I just have a bottle of the stuff and am thinking can I tie it in with my first cycle or should I do a cycle before, or after.
I don’t trust pro-hormones, that is why I don’t use them. There are many people with many years of experience using Testosterone and synthetic AAS. This is not so with pro-hormones.
My personal opinion would be to put the stuff in the circular file(what a grade school teacher of mine called the trash can). I wouldn’t advise you or anyone else any other way.