I’m planning out a cycle since i dieted for a competition and realised i won’t be ready for it. Since I’m pretty lean at the moment (10-12%) i’d like to take advantage of the situation & i’ve been reading about AAS for quite some time now. Keep in mind, I know my body enough, people have seen me blow up since i started and believe my diet is in tact. (check out http://www.T-Nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do?id=1727008 for more info on my progress)
My cycle will be the following:
W 1-10 Test Enth 250mg E3D
W 1-4 Dbol 10mg 3x/d
W 1-12 Adex 0.25mg EOD (reduce to 0.125mg EOD in last week)
W 6-12 Proviron 25mg 2x/d
W 1-12 Nolva 20mg/d if gyno symptoms start to show
PCT
W 11-14 Test Enth 40mg E3D
W 15-16 Test Enth 30mg E3D
W 17-18 Test Enth 20mg E3D
W 19-20 Test Enth 10mg E3D
Since this is my first cycle and i suck at math, I don’t know how many vials (10 ml) of test-e to obtain as mg’s and ml’s are two different measurements.
Is there somewhere i can find info on this conversion thing?
Of course, i’ll be obtaining an extra vial incase one breaks/gets infected/anything goes wrong.
Test is all dosed differently, for instance you can get Test Enth 200mg per ML or 250 or even 300. It looks like you’d be best off getting 250mg per ML dosed Test Enth.
Then you are shooting 1 full ML E3D.
Make sense?
Each vial is typically 10ML unless you get some big ones. So each vial should last you approx 30 days. Hopefully that makes the Math easier. So as you wrote it Test Enth weeks 1-10 would mean you would only need two vials dosed at 250mg per ML. To use 250mg E3D for 10 weeks Then maybe 1 more vial for your test taper.
What I did is I calc’ed out how much test I would pin per week and multiply it by the total weeks. In my case 7.5 grams. The 10ml vials I’m lookin at have 2500mg per vial. So I need 3 vials for the cycle and a extra to for my stasis/taper and oops moments. My two centavos.
Yup three vials. 1cc=1ml which you are doing 3ED. 10 weeks is about 75 days or 25cc/25ml like GB said above. 3 10ml vials covers your stasis and taper with a tad left over for good measure
Cycle looks good. Go for it, man. This time I think you are ready.
Also, it never hurts to have nolva on hand, but there is no reason you should need it if you are using your adex correctly. That proviron is good stuff, too.
Bushy is sort of right. Here’s the issue if his cycle is weeks 1-10, what he calls PCT [and most of us call stasis] 40mg E3D should begin week 11 and run thru week 15. Week 16 he could then go to 30mg E3D and continue as he layed it out
Test and d-bol is a really good first cycle. Although I do not think you will need 750mgs a week of test e as you are planning. If the test is real and not underdosed 400-500mgs a week with the 30mgs a day of d-bol would work great. It would for me anyway. You could add more but the only thing I have seen happen is the side effect rise not the gains in muscle mass.
Also, why is everyone so obsessed with how you are going to go about coming off. Just when you are peaking and you feel great, at the end of this cycle you are going to come off? It makes little sense. You would be better off taking a short two to three week break and keep going. That is if you wish to keep improving. I had a great trainer once, he had trained Ronnie Coleman in his early days and if you remember Tom Prince he had him from the time no one knew who he was.
Anyway this guy felt there was nothing to be gained by coming off. However, he also advocated a strict, all year eating plan and pretty low doses of anabolics. He would keep me on like 400mgs of test cyp every 6 days with 25 mgs of anadrol a little gh and some insulin after I trained. Every few months he would change up the drugs but I never took off more then 3 weeks except after a contest when I would usually stay off three-four months before getting going again.
[quote]joeblow wrote:
Test and d-bol is a really good first cycle. Although I do not think you will need 750mgs a week of test e as you are planning. If the test is real and not underdosed 400-500mgs a week with the 30mgs a day of d-bol would work great. It would for me anyway. You could add more but the only thing I have seen happen is the side effect rise not the gains in muscle mass.
Also, why is everyone so obsessed with how you are going to go about coming off. Just when you are peaking and you feel great, at the end of this cycle you are going to come off? It makes little sense. You would be better off taking a short two to three week break and keep going. That is if you wish to keep improving. I had a great trainer once, he had trained Ronnie Coleman in his early days and if you remember Tom Prince he had him from the time no one knew who he was.
Anyway this guy felt there was nothing to be gained by coming off. However, he also advocated a strict, all year eating plan and pretty low doses of anabolics. He would keep me on like 400mgs of test cyp every 6 days with 25 mgs of anadrol a little gh and some insulin after I trained. Every few months he would change up the drugs but I never took off more then 3 weeks except after a contest when I would usually stay off three-four months before getting going again.[/quote]
Uh, Joe,
The kid is just starting his very first cycle. Quite intelligently I might add, and you’re telling him to go ahead and “stay on” all the time?
Wtf Joe?
He’s never indicated he wants or needs to get huge by yesterday ya know? He’s doing things right, let’s not fuck the kids mindset all up now. Save that line of thinking for a well advanced bodybuilder/powerlifter, who can then tell you why they will take your advice, or argue why they don’t need to stay on all the time.
Jeez man.
Op: Great job with things. I’ve read a lot of your posts, and though never responded, have been impressed with your decisions along the way. Keep doing what you’ve been doing, and don’t go crazy with this shit anytime soon bro.
[quote]joeblow wrote:
Test and d-bol is a really good first cycle. Although I do not think you will need 750mgs a week of test e as you are planning. If the test is real and not underdosed 400-500mgs a week with the 30mgs a day of d-bol would work great. It would for me anyway. You could add more but the only thing I have seen happen is the side effect rise not the gains in muscle mass.
Also, why is everyone so obsessed with how you are going to go about coming off. Just when you are peaking and you feel great, at the end of this cycle you are going to come off? It makes little sense. You would be better off taking a short two to three week break and keep going. That is if you wish to keep improving. I had a great trainer once, he had trained Ronnie Coleman in his early days and if you remember Tom Prince he had him from the time no one knew who he was.
Anyway this guy felt there was nothing to be gained by coming off. However, he also advocated a strict, all year eating plan and pretty low doses of anabolics. He would keep me on like 400mgs of test cyp every 6 days with 25 mgs of anadrol a little gh and some insulin after I trained. Every few months he would change up the drugs but I never took off more then 3 weeks except after a contest when I would usually stay off three-four months before getting going again.[/quote]
You’re kidding me, right?
Well I guess some people just respond to idiotic cycling and manage not to fuck themselves up somehow in the process…
Not everyone’s goal is to fuck their endocrine system up to the point where they have to be on TRT…
And some of your doses probably did little more than shut you down. But then again, if you were a top level NPC competitor, that would explain your response to low doses-- genes.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
So you are finally taking that step, eh, Hussayn?
Cycle looks good. Go for it, man. This time I think you are ready.
Also, it never hurts to have nolva on hand, but there is no reason you should need it if you are using your adex correctly. That proviron is good stuff, too.[/quote]
and yah, i’m kinda excited but i won’t overdue the excitement (where i’ll make things go wrong lol). But i want to thank you for the encouragement and proper guidance. You’re like my savior LOL
The kid is just starting his very first cycle. Quite intelligently I might add, and you’re telling him to go ahead and “stay on” all the time?
Wtf Joe?
He’s never indicated he wants or needs to get huge by yesterday ya know? He’s doing things right, let’s not fuck the kids mindset all up now. Save that line of thinking for a well advanced bodybuilder/powerlifter, who can then tell you why they will take your advice, or argue why they don’t need to stay on all the time.
Jeez man.[/quote]
Ignore him. His advice has generally seemed suspect to me. From what I’ve seen anyway.
I’m on the fence as to whether or not to write him off as a troll.
3x 10ml vials Test-E (testosterone-enanthate)
280 mg DBOL
12 mg of Arimidex (adex)
2100 mg Proviron (mesterolone)
200 mg of nolvadex (1 box, 20 pills @ 20 mg) will get more if needed.
Thanks all for the good compliments. I can’t take any credit. I just simply kept reading and reading. Credit goes to the people who posted the knowledge. I’m simply a newb-stude (newbie student)