Thank you very I appreciate it!!
U seem to have a good grasp on things and have a extensive amount of knowledge about different compounds. Any interest in helping out an “ older “ guy . Like I said before I am open to learn . Maybe ur way is the right way , the safer way. Would definitely appreciate some guidance and advice. Thank u in advance hope to here back , stay safe
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Yeah doing all those compounds at 50 is no bueno.
What is your profession -physical? …desk job?
Children, family?
Cut the gear back by 80% maybe a tiny bit of GH.
Use the info on this site …take a break from pure bodybuilding training and run through this guys programs and you will be shocked at the results…
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These programs are always intriguing, however they seem perhaps needlessly complex. Why not just do squats + front squats + Romanian deadlifts for legs as opposed to all fancy variations in designated blocks?
If you’re a beginner/intermediate lifter surely it wouldn’t make a difference. I have a feeling these programs cater towards a more experienced/advanced lifter with a well developed, significant base of strength.
I mean, you’ll gain quite a bit of mass/recomp fairly well if you focus on compound lifts + throw in a few isolation exercises afterwards. If you can squat 315+, deadlift 405 + bench 225 (or do weighted dips with 2+ plates) + and OHP 135+ for reps, do weighted pull-ups or barbell rows with a significant amount of weight and eat adequately chances are you won’t be small, or at the very least you’ll have decent aesthetics
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I see it as you do. Compound lifts, getting stronger, therein lies the magic.
To be fair to CT, he is not in favor of overly complex stuff just to look intelligent. These programs are designed for a specific purpose.
To theoretically optimise training and deliver results in record time, though for a novice/intermediate lifter I don’t think training style makes all that much difference, rather it’s “adequate stimuli = fat noobie gains”.
For advanced lifters it’d probably make a difference… but what do I know. BUT I believe many don’t have the time required to dedicate/allocate an intensive training regimen and diet required to optimise all variables required for growing at record paces.
We have jobs, social paradigms, perhaps school/university, time allocated for downtime/pArTyInG etc. Unless my job is to work out chances are I’m not getting in more than 3 hrs per day dedicated to fitness, this may include meal prep.
That being said, I am in favour of isolation work depending on the individual. I can bench over 225 and deadlift over 405 (and do sets of 315 for like 13 reps), do weighted dips with quite a bit of weight attached, dip machine for multiple sets of 10-12 with 120-130kg attached easily at a BW of like 74 kg (short person) while lean. I’m not “strong” by gym standards but I have a decent base of strength for my size; yet I don’t have big arms, as a matter of fact they are the part of my body that lags behind the most (by far) though I have a broad back, nicely developed spinal erectors and a pretty big, protruding chest.
For me, isolation is required, compound lifts alone aren’t going to give me big arms/an adequately proportioned physique. As a matter of fact it would appear as if progressing on compound lifts has made little/no difference regarding overall arm size.
Compound lifts however have been fantastic for packing mass on my chest, lats, upper back, lower back, glutes, quads and hammies. Arms, forearms, abs, calves etc require specialised attention to optimise growth (for me).
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Arms only matter to gym guys. A big back will get dem hoes into the sack and put the fear of God into small boys.
Completely different for me. My triceps grows like mad from compound lifts (bench and press)
Completely agree. I can’t do the programs either as they are to time consuming and I can’t recover from going hard 6 times a weeks. Intermediate trainees who can do them will profit immensely though.
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Disagree to an extent. I don’t believe being built has helped all that much in the romance/sex department. Women appear to like confidence, independence and the ability to talk. Girls MY age appear to be unable to differentiate between someone who is confident and someone who is a flat out jackass as characteristics from both tend to overlap at times. Muscles can serve as icing on the cake, but I wouldn’t put all of my eggs in that basket. Being strong/muscular makes me happy because I like the look and it helps reduce fatigue/generalised exhaustion and discomfort associated by a few medical ailments I am afflicted by.
You don’t typically see good looking/built guys going out with bad looking girls. Natural selection probably plays a part here, but some of the guys I know who went out with the most beautiful girls weren’t all that great looking, rather they had charisma/the balls to go up and initiate a conversation at random.
Thankfully despite being autistic I actually know how to talk to women now. Practice… Practice… Practice… Can’t say I’m all that interested in romantic relationships though
Not to get cocky but i’d say over the past three years I’ve gone from average/slightly below average to being pretty built. I’m proud of this as I have so many ailments that in theory should and do at times significantly hold me back and impede my ability to train adequately. Girls however aren’t flocking to me because of my nicely defined shoulders, eighteen inch neck (I have a fairly large neck) and broad back. If anything the fairly common steroid comments/accusations (that I don’t outright reject, rather I laugh and say “thank you” or switch the topic) put them off.
My triceps are the body part that lag behind the most, my insertions for this particular muscle group are shockingly awful. Aesthetically they’re also the muscle group I believe look the most impressive when well developed. I want bigger triceps, though I know it’s certainly not be key to happiness lol.
If anything muscles/strength probably gives you more attention from dudes. I frequently get asked about lifting/bodybuilding from guys, sometimes I get steroid questions that I typically answer in a very robotic, black and white, factual manner as to dissuade people from using by spewing out the facts in an unbiased fashion. Usually tell people to pick a different sport as the inherent culture/mentality associated with bodybuilding tends to be rather toxic. I’ve stated this before, but had I known what I know now about bodybuilding I would’ve never gotten started … Now that I’m in the game though I’m not getting out until my shoulders, hips, knees etc give out… So give it ten years???
I was talking in hyperboles.
A nice body gets you a foot in the door. The rest is game.
Good reaction. The only thing that does put them off is not being able to handle the pressure. If you’re good with it, they are.
I mean, I hope they put their eggs in your basket so to speak.
I don’t think that’s true at least not in my experience. But I also don’t train as much with bodybuilders as I do with powerlifters and there it’s always about improving. Also nobody really cares about roids. Some take it, the strongest guys I know don’t, as funny as that may seem.
If you want big arms, and you are currently disproportional, train the arms disproportionally. It’s what I’m doing. I have pretty good lifts (just hit 385 on bench today, bragging), but found the compounds just aren’t enough for arms in my case. I’ve been training them at least 4 days a week at the end of my strength workouts. I’m thinking over time this will make a difference.
I looked at the 6 weeks to superhero link. I like the routines. My concern is that it is suggested they are done as a circuit. I did the overhead today progressing from one exercise to the next but not in a circuit. I could get away with doing a circuit, other people do it, but I’d surely upset someone if I tied up the only good power rack while I did other stuff. Sometimes people are waiting to use the rack.
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Do what I do and pop into gym at like 3am
How often do you train at 3am? And don’t you find your training to be subpar at that time?
Yeah It works well if not better just doing the one movement pattern per day -overhead one day deadlift the next etc
I trained starting out anywhere between 330-430 AM for about 4 years. The only thing subpar was my sleep, the training was fine.
Hey @theinneroh
Check out this program of him. I think it’s the best setup for successful lifting, hands down. Only my opinion of course.
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As we are on a Thib train here, I would say despite the title Best Damn for Naturals 1&2 is actually great/even better for assisted lifters ( and burns out most natural guys😏)
IMO, one would need a shit deadlift to gain 100 lbs in two weeks. I’ll be happy if I gain 100 lbs in two years with AAS.
Do they oversaturate at some point? How much can you really use after a certain point? Are you increasing negative effects for diminishing returns after more than 4000mg of androgens injected into your blood every week?
What makes you prefer this to 1000 test + 1000 Primo + 300 Proviron?
Would 500 test + 600 Primo + 100 Proviron still do a lot for you?
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CT said that in one of his posts in his forum. The editor chose the title and made it sound like that.
It’s not about the flashy title, the template in there is a treasure.