I have glutamine and HOT-ROX extreme sitting on my mantle.
Ive just completed a 10 day prep period for my cut, and now im on the 3rd day.
I play to be cutting from 16.5% to 10% bf or 2 months, which ever happens 1st.
The current plan is to do 3 weeks on creatine and BCAAs.
Then 3 weeks on glutamine 1st thing and before workouts to see if it makes a difference.
Then 3-4 weeks adding HOT-ROX on top.
The idea is that ill be adapting a little too much every 2-3 weeks, and so il be lowering calories a little each week.
Id like to know that HOT-ROX and glutamine do something for me.
On the other hand, I want to cut down as quick as possible…so it occurs to me why am i waiting to implement these supps…when I could start them Monday and have 2 whole months of their benefits rather than half that?
Personally, I would start taking them ASAP. I know some people prefer to take them at the end of their cut to fire up their fat loss when it gets harder to shift the remaining few pounds.
You are talking about a Cutting Strategy, and NOWHERE do you menmtion anything about DIET!!
Don’t expect the supplements to do all your work for you, THEY WON’T!
Get your diet in check, choose a solid program for your goals (Use the search function) and add the supps when you’re fat loss begins to stall (which it will, probably when you get to around 12%bf).
[quote]G-men27 wrote:
You are talking about a Cutting Strategy, and NOWHERE do you menmtion anything about DIET!!
Don’t expect the supplements to do all your work for you, THEY WON’T!
Get your diet in check, choose a solid program for your goals (Use the search function) and add the supps when you’re fat loss begins to stall (which it will, probably when you get to around 12%bf).
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Sorry, I forgot to mention ive already lost over 100 pounds in the last couple of years…the dietary side is all as perfect as i can make it.
So im specifically looking for people with experience of the last stretch down from 15% → 8% with opinions as to wether sooner is better for the HOT-ROX extreme in particular.
Chutec…if you are planning on doing a low carb diet (which you should be if you are getting super lean) I would use the glutamine PWO instead of carbs.
This will allow you to spike insulin for nutrient absorption without the calories and sugar. Whatever glutamine is converted into intramuscular glucose will just go into the free amino acid pool where as extra carbs would be converted into fat.
I’m using glutamine PWO while following a keto diet right now and its working well. I’m still improving strength.
[quote]GetSwole wrote:
This will allow you to spike insulin for nutrient absorption without the calories and sugar. Whatever glutamine is converted into intramuscular glucose will just go into the free amino acid pool where as extra carbs would be converted into fat.[/quote]
Since when is glutamine not a source of calories? All amino acids have calories.
Also, if you’re working hard in training and not going overboard with carbs afterward, there wouldn’t be any “extra carbs” to be converted to fat.
[quote]chutec wrote:
G-men27 wrote:
You are talking about a Cutting Strategy, and NOWHERE do you menmtion anything about DIET!!
Don’t expect the supplements to do all your work for you, THEY WON’T!
Get your diet in check, choose a solid program for your goals (Use the search function) and add the supps when you’re fat loss begins to stall (which it will, probably when you get to around 12%bf).
Sorry, I forgot to mention ive already lost over 100 pounds in the last couple of years…the dietary side is all as perfect as i can make it.
So im specifically looking for people with experience of the last stretch down from 15% → 8% with opinions as to wether sooner is better for the HOT-ROX extreme in particular.[/quote]
Wow…Congrats bro, that’s quite impressive. Is the weight still consistently coming off, or have you hit a wall??
I paused the weight loss for 10 weeks to strength train a little as i was feeling emaciated.
I put around 10 pounds of muscle and 15 pounds of fat on.
in the 15 days since Ive lost maybe 3-4 pounds of water and about 7 pounds of fat.
its slowed down now, and i think ill add in the HOT-ROX to kick it up again.
GETSWOLE : in your keto diet, what impact does green veg have?
carbs i eat:
i eat 1 KG of green veg per day, as well as 1 apple and 1 cup of yogurt in the morning, and a handful of nuts later.
is this enough of a carb intake to stop ketosis? (I want to be in ketosis)
MY keto is less than 30 and I have all the vegetables I want, PM me and I’ll hook you up with Lyle Mcdonald’s keto book.
To HK,
I’ve lost weight both using Surge afterwards and using glutamine afterwards. I’ve lost weight virtually every way restricting carbs. I’m telling you what absolutely works from personal real world experience.
Surge has 200kcal from sugar.
20-30g of glutamine will give you a good enough insulin spike and the calories are much more negligible than a carb PWO drink.
It also probably won’t kick you out of ketosis, which a carby drink WILL do.
And yes, amino acids do have negligible calories but the likelihood of them getting stored as fat is so negligible its not money.
A lot of people overestimate how much the deplete their glycogen during a workout as it is.
Take it or leave it, I’m telling you whats more effective for weight based on real world experience, not theoretics.
The goal while cutting is to maintain muscle, you can do that without PWO carbs and make fat loss faster without PWO carbs.
Like I said, experience talking…the choice is individual ultimately.
I’m aware that it only works for me. But he doesn’t know what works for him. And the other guy was equally adamant that one could use carbs.
I dunno if you have read any of the recent bulking threads but this goes along with my recent complaints of there being alot of armchair experts around here, which is why I emphasize personal experience, to may it clear I wasn’t just parroting some author as SO MANY of the guys around here do.
[quote]GetSwole wrote:
I dunno if you have read any of the recent bulking threads but this goes along with my recent complaints of there being alot of armchair experts around here, which is why I emphasize personal experience, to may it clear I wasn’t just parroting some author as SO MANY of the guys around here do.[/quote]
It’s to be expected that there would be “armchair experts” here. After all, this is the internet.
Of course the vast majority of people here have very little experience – that’s why they are here. It’s obvious that the typical poster has been training less than a few years.
This is why I have much more confidence in the material presented by most of the T-Nation contributors. I’ve met a few and even been to their seminars and it’s obvious that they walk the walk.
Hunt around, there are some studies that show glutamine supplementation in lethargic individuals to completely stop atrophy and catabolism.
Not super doses either, something like 10g/day. It might be a good idea to try using it as a PWO, as has been suggested, and also immediately before bed.