Cutting journey

Yes, this has been the key issue, but we’re working on that.

It creates a protein sparing modified fast effect. We want to preserve muscle: traditional fasting is less than ideal for that. A protein sparing modified fast allows us to obtain the majority of the benefits of fasting while preserving muscle.

if you eat 2 pounds of meat

My recommendation was not 2lbs of meat: you are mixing up posters here. Remember: I DON’T count things. You don’t want to do that either. Cool. So I eat until I am satiated. That said, I HAVE absolutely done that on multiple occasions with the protein shakes. The purpose of the meat is to give you the things that AREN’T in the protein shakes: essential fats, vitamins and nutrients. These are the other things the body hungers for. When we satiate these demands, the hunger goes away.

is easier

We’ve seen the outcome of doing things the easy way.

~300 grams of meat + some solid cheese curd…there was something missing

Understandably so. You had very little meat in that meal. Additionally, I advocated for meat and eggs: not meat and cheese. Cheese is not something I would consume if my goal was fat loss: it tends to be unsatiating, to the point I find it hunger PROMOTING. I can eat limitless amounts of cheese, but with meat I eventually fill up. The casomorphines in cheese may also have a triggering effect that you’re observing here.

All that said, if you legit went all day consuming protein shakes, came home and had that small of a meal and followed it up with some bread, congratulations: you just followed the Velocity Diet. You had protein shakes all day and then a small, healthy solid meal. That approach also works.

EDIT: Meant to say, I also DO eat carbs with my current approach to eating. Once a week, I have a meal with them. This will include cookies (made my the Mrs, with quality ingredients), honey, and typically some manner of pasta dish. @freshyfresh is using a similar approach as well. If you want to eat this way and eat carbs, it can happen.

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The first photo in the 3 photo series I posted IS the before pic dude. That’s how those work.

I’ve avoided posting in this thread, because I’ve seen the direction of travel, and I’m really busy so want to use my time wisely, I applaud the patience and endurance of @T3hPwnisher and @Andrewgen_Receptors and against my own judgement I’ll throw something in.

My own brief advice, I’m not great at cooking (well more too busy to enjoy it so don’t give it much thought/effort, this will change when I retire/downshift jobs) , prepping, eating etc, so this comes from that sympathetic perspective.

You don’t need to eat steak all day every day, you don’t need to prep for significant periods of time, I tend to eat 6 eggs and some bacon for breakfast, takes 5 mins to prep. Tinned tuna is your friend, again almost zero prep time (for reference I eat 2 tins/200g at a time approx 40g of protein) or hard boiled eggs again very little prep time.

6 eggs is somewhere around 35g of protein, tuna 40g, a chicken breast for dinner 50g, and two shakes (45g of protein per shake - two scoops) and you’re over 200g of protein, only thing that requires more than 5 minutes of prep/cooking is the chicken and even that can be done in an instant pot which means zero effort, dump the breasts and some water and press go (people here who actually enjoy cooking probably screaming at the recommendation here, but it works).

This isn’t even covering other easy routes like rotisserie chicken, tinned meat etc.

There are zero excuses, it’s not time consuming it’s no more expensive than regular eating, it works.

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There’s also Greek yoghurt and cottage cheese.

It’s almost trivial to get 100-200g protein eating them

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Just to add to this, I find this style of eating really easy to adhere to in my normal environment. Still having the carbs in allows for family and friend meals without feeling like a weirdo not eating the same stuff as everyone else.

More importantly because I’m slightly hungry, my adherence to it goes up and training gets better because the eating is like a reminder I need to train hard. But when I do have carbs, I will go a little extra intense or crazy lifting the next day because A. I have the fuel and B. I like to train and training hard is fun

Lastly, even with the minimal carbs I feel better and my lifting is just about the same as with them. Just something to think about.

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The advice in here is fantastic. I believe, for the specific OP, this is more an issue of will than skill. I hope, however, someone else stumbling across this thread can take away some easy buttons to hit their protein needs and daiky satiety.

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This thread is a primary example of “Cunningham’s law” in effect. It’s honestly pretty awesome: we’ve gathered the total brain trust of T-Nation together and compiled a TON of different and effective strategies for losing fat. Like, you could turn this thread into an e-book and sell it.

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I had to look that up and, wow, are you right! This thread is the living embodiment.

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Both of you who posted pictures started bigger and with more muscle than me, so I guess my BMR is far behind for this all to work straightforwardly.
At least Andrewgen_Receptors looks like a normal person, slightly puffy and rounded on the before pic, but definately larger than me.

Yesterday was a f*off all day, I eat mby 400 grams of carbs (diferent kind of cookies, waffers, small croissants) and some meatballs to have a decent stomach fill. I felt like my vision cleared, refreshed, focused and happy. At some point I felt it is too much and stopped.
I feel pretty ok today (mby glycogen refill).

Since I cannot moderate, what if I have carb days wednesday and saturday?
The rest days just avoiding carb dense foods except what’s in veggies and diary, if I consume any.

Still I have to be carefull about the carbs day surplus not exceeding the weekly deficit.
Lets say at least 2000 cals week deficit, up to 3500 max (if possible).
I guess my least daily maintenance is 2000 cals (If I dont do physical stuff), mby 2200 - 2400 depends on activity. If too sedentary, it might be lower than 2000, I dont know…
So, even If I plan and count meals, I don’t practicaly know what calories to target…

From previous experience, I might start preparing something that worked and I like - meatballs (pork or pork/ beef mix) and cabbage/ carrots/ parsley sallad.
I dont mind eating that almost every day :smile: and I might eat pork for life. Fish and poultry/ rabbit are not really meat, beef and lamb not that popular and often eaten, also expensive (especially lamb).
And we don’t have cattle breeds that give the same beef as in the west.

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Serious question: is getting lean(er) something you even want? If not, it’s fine. You don’t have to tell yourself/ us you want something if you don’t.

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Stop yapping.

That is a silly thing to guess :slight_smile:

I already addressed this

Yes… Any type of diet would work ok, as long as there is a deficit and adequate protein.
But I am still 86 kg, not counting and being relatively loose on feeding habits.

The biggest meat meal I got recently was actually …a fish.
Rather dry, ~a pound a fish and mby 80 grams of protein, so ate it with some …mayonese.
Finished with some salami, cause …fish don’t really make it for a pork…

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This is unsurprising

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This is not the kind of poster who wants help, he just wants someone to validate the decisions he makes that work against his own self-interest.

I genuinely believe the more that people try to help him, the further he will stick his head up his ass.

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I’m going to just keep spamming delicious photos and talking about how to succeed at this point, because, again, despite this topic not applying to the creator, we’re effectively writing the “T-Nation user fat loss e-book” here

I keep waking up LIGHTER while eating stuff like this during the day. This was last night’s dinner

2 3-egg omelets (pastured eggs) with 4oz of new zealand lamb between them, swiss and ghee, topped with sour cream alongside some beef bacon, 1.5 all beef hot dogs, half of a burger patty, some cottage cheese, and some pork cracklin. Aside from the bacon and cracklin, everything else was grassfed (sour cream, cottage cheese, swiss, lamb, burger, and even the hot dog)

For lunch that day, I had 2 piedmontese beef back ribs and 4 scrambled pastured eggs.

For dinner the night before, I did this

Triple venison burger on chaffle buns (1 egg white and a heaping half cup of shredded grassfed swiss) with grassfed sour cream alongside the leftover carnivore deviled eggs, pork cracklin and grassfed cottage cheese.

And yes, that’s after a day of mainlining Metabolic Drive.

I had no desire to binge on carbs after these meals, because they were delicious and satiating.

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That looks really good! I’ve never bought ghee. Do you cook in it or add it after?

I’ve started to think a lot of the carb cravings for many of us are much about texture/ boredom. I think you are able to make your meals much more satisfying because there’s variety on your plate.

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Thanks brother! Ghee can be used pretty much any way you use butter, and I’ve done both. At present, the Mrs puts it in the omelet, rather than cooking the omelet in the ghee. It folds in with the cheese and meat. But I’ve also topped the omelet with ghee and that’s plenty yummy. I honestly prefer it to butter: it has a really enjoyable flavor.

And very true regarding variety: there is no shortage when it comes to animal foods, and if you expand into the keto sphere it’s practically cheating how much variety there is. For myself though, I’m honestly very simple: my lunch today is 250g of egg whites and 6oz of ground venison, and I’m excited to eat it. But for these dinners with the family, I’ll break out the variety and enjoy. I’m already planning a steak nachos night next week, using pork cracklin for chips.

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U don’t count fats either, otherwise all this looks delicious :yum:.

Finally I decided to abstain carb dense foods and try to adapt.
No carb up/ glycogen refill, cycling, just the hell away from the DRUG !!
Thus, only extra fat (not counting) might halt the process, not the carbs.
But… I don’t know my real bmr/ maintenance to aim bellow that.

Read this info, which kind of confirms some observations:
“So, for example, to burn 10 kilograms (22 lbs.) of fat, a person needs to inhale 29 kg (64 lbs.) of oxygen. And the chemical process of burning that fat will produce 28 kg (62 lbs.) of carbon dioxide and 11 kg (24 lbs.) of water, the researchers calculated.”

Noticed before, when I am down on easy energy (carbs) there is a tension to breath more… Even managed to bring me up with a bit more deep and intense breathing exercises.

As for the cravings for sweet, I can eat as much as I want which I just did.
A very gross dessert consisting of:

  • 2-3 eggs
  • protein dose
  • cocoa/ carob flour for flavor,
  • erythritol/ liquid sweetener
  • thickener - wheat bran/ germ (this way I can get only the good stuff I might be missing from cereals while not eating bread), or pumpkin seed/ hemp seed flour, or other

I can dose that porridge sweet as hell to fulfill all cravings, also it could make pancakes (egg based).

I don’t count anything. Remember: that was the selling point: no counting. I never need to count a calorie or a macro.

Thus, only extra fat (not counting) might halt the process

Very doubtful, unless you take to drinking butter. If you stick with actual animal sources of fats, your body’s natural satiety signaling will most likely kick in. Eating 2000 calories of ribeye is HARD, whereas eating 2000 calories of frosting can often be done “accidentally”

But… I don’t know my real bmr/ maintenance to aim bellow that.

Me neither. Never have.

I would definitely stay away from those sweeteners, flours, carob and thickeners. I’m a fan of gelatin to create a thicker texture in something like a protein powder.