Cutting journey

Yes, this has been the key issue, but we’re working on that.

It creates a protein sparing modified fast effect. We want to preserve muscle: traditional fasting is less than ideal for that. A protein sparing modified fast allows us to obtain the majority of the benefits of fasting while preserving muscle.

if you eat 2 pounds of meat

My recommendation was not 2lbs of meat: you are mixing up posters here. Remember: I DON’T count things. You don’t want to do that either. Cool. So I eat until I am satiated. That said, I HAVE absolutely done that on multiple occasions with the protein shakes. The purpose of the meat is to give you the things that AREN’T in the protein shakes: essential fats, vitamins and nutrients. These are the other things the body hungers for. When we satiate these demands, the hunger goes away.

is easier

We’ve seen the outcome of doing things the easy way.

~300 grams of meat + some solid cheese curd…there was something missing

Understandably so. You had very little meat in that meal. Additionally, I advocated for meat and eggs: not meat and cheese. Cheese is not something I would consume if my goal was fat loss: it tends to be unsatiating, to the point I find it hunger PROMOTING. I can eat limitless amounts of cheese, but with meat I eventually fill up. The casomorphines in cheese may also have a triggering effect that you’re observing here.

All that said, if you legit went all day consuming protein shakes, came home and had that small of a meal and followed it up with some bread, congratulations: you just followed the Velocity Diet. You had protein shakes all day and then a small, healthy solid meal. That approach also works.

EDIT: Meant to say, I also DO eat carbs with my current approach to eating. Once a week, I have a meal with them. This will include cookies (made my the Mrs, with quality ingredients), honey, and typically some manner of pasta dish. @freshyfresh is using a similar approach as well. If you want to eat this way and eat carbs, it can happen.

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The first photo in the 3 photo series I posted IS the before pic dude. That’s how those work.

I’ve avoided posting in this thread, because I’ve seen the direction of travel, and I’m really busy so want to use my time wisely, I applaud the patience and endurance of @T3hPwnisher and @Andrewgen_Receptors and against my own judgement I’ll throw something in.

My own brief advice, I’m not great at cooking (well more too busy to enjoy it so don’t give it much thought/effort, this will change when I retire/downshift jobs) , prepping, eating etc, so this comes from that sympathetic perspective.

You don’t need to eat steak all day every day, you don’t need to prep for significant periods of time, I tend to eat 6 eggs and some bacon for breakfast, takes 5 mins to prep. Tinned tuna is your friend, again almost zero prep time (for reference I eat 2 tins/200g at a time approx 40g of protein) or hard boiled eggs again very little prep time.

6 eggs is somewhere around 35g of protein, tuna 40g, a chicken breast for dinner 50g, and two shakes (45g of protein per shake - two scoops) and you’re over 200g of protein, only thing that requires more than 5 minutes of prep/cooking is the chicken and even that can be done in an instant pot which means zero effort, dump the breasts and some water and press go (people here who actually enjoy cooking probably screaming at the recommendation here, but it works).

This isn’t even covering other easy routes like rotisserie chicken, tinned meat etc.

There are zero excuses, it’s not time consuming it’s no more expensive than regular eating, it works.

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There’s also Greek yoghurt and cottage cheese.

It’s almost trivial to get 100-200g protein eating them

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Just to add to this, I find this style of eating really easy to adhere to in my normal environment. Still having the carbs in allows for family and friend meals without feeling like a weirdo not eating the same stuff as everyone else.

More importantly because I’m slightly hungry, my adherence to it goes up and training gets better because the eating is like a reminder I need to train hard. But when I do have carbs, I will go a little extra intense or crazy lifting the next day because A. I have the fuel and B. I like to train and training hard is fun

Lastly, even with the minimal carbs I feel better and my lifting is just about the same as with them. Just something to think about.

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The advice in here is fantastic. I believe, for the specific OP, this is more an issue of will than skill. I hope, however, someone else stumbling across this thread can take away some easy buttons to hit their protein needs and daiky satiety.

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This thread is a primary example of “Cunningham’s law” in effect. It’s honestly pretty awesome: we’ve gathered the total brain trust of T-Nation together and compiled a TON of different and effective strategies for losing fat. Like, you could turn this thread into an e-book and sell it.

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I had to look that up and, wow, are you right! This thread is the living embodiment.

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