curious question… why is it your original pic doesn’t seem to match up with your avatar pic ?
Because the avatar pic doesnt look like someone your height at 170lbs lean or not
You had no idea what it was for certain
Um no one told you to get fat… which I think you younger guys think when they tell you to eat.
I said that. But note, it is not an endorsement of your planned cut. Like I said above: Not a single respondent has indicated s/he thought your cut was a good idea.
You can legitimately claim to be confused by the semi-conflicting advice you received regarding how you should go about bulking. But you cannot reasonably claim to be confused regarding whether you should proceed with the planned diet, because No. One. Thinks. You. Should.
I think you should lift really hard–harder than you ever have before. (In terms of workout intensity, be ‘The Man’ at your gym–let no one out-work you.) I think you should eat lots of clean food–lean meats, veggies, complex carbs. Limit alcohol and fast-food intake (doesn’t mean ‘never,’ just moderation). Don’t stress when your weight goes up. (It’s very hard to get sloppy-fat on a clean diet.) Post progress pics on TN every 6 months or so, and folks will be happy to give you feedback.
If you desire more specific, detailed guidance re lifting and/or diet, consider hiring an online trainer. There are several good ones who frequent these boards:
@The_Mighty_Stu
@robstein
(I have no financial relationship with either)
What do you mean about the avatar pic ans the posted pic? In 1 im flexing my traps and arms and at the other im in worse lighting and im just flexing my abs and chest from a different angle. My arms and traps are veeery lean compared to my stomavh
Well thats what ill do i guess. I usually trust my instinct but cant argue against 10 way more experienced lifters. Intensity shouldnt be a problem i love training often and hard.
then clearly you never have been
Johns get shredded doesnt seem realistic to me. 1% fat loss at around 1300 calorie deficit per day doesnt add up matemathically. And i dont get either why he would lower the protein so much than claim that its BCAAs and creatine that you need to save your muscles. Have you tried it with good results?
I didnt take the 1000s out of my ass,im doing lyle mcdonalds " The rapid fat loss diet" which consists of 1.25xbw protein and unlimited non starchy vegetables
Yes, I have read it. Lyle does not recommend it for teens and now only recommends the diet for certain cases.
Ok Ill get serious and ask one simple question which will probably help everyone giving you advice to get a better understanding about your prospective and view point.
If you could be equal to any actual Elite COMPETATIVE level lifter… be it strongman ,powerlifting or Bodybuilding whom would that be?
Good question. Id say John Haack or Cailer Woolam,tho cailer is untested.
Super lean and all abs?
Well that’s how I started out. 135lb soaking wet. My upper body looked pretty good due to always being athletic, but my legs were fuckin abysmal.
Now, if I stand in front of a mirror, dim the light, shut one eye and quickly shake my head, and can see my abs. They are a little blurry (probably due to the lighting), but they are there!
Pulling 540 at 170 is impressive, especially if you compete at 165.
You know what’s more impressive? Pulling 590-640 at 180. Or 690-740 at 198.
Don’t give into social pressure unless you’re not your own man. When I was in grad school, dudes used to clown me because I lifted and had a gut because I just started my bulk, so they didn’t think I was serious. But I lifted more than them back then, and I lift WAY more than them now.
Ye but i dont wanna just gain more ans more weight,i wanna be lean and buff too.
You already got lean figured out. Now get buff. After you do that, you can get lean again and be both.
Always appreciate the name drop brother -lol
OKay @skinnydeadliftgod as others have pointed out, you’re relatively young, and as you’ve no doubt garnered, when you’re young, you’re in a pretty ideal spot in terms of being able to pack on muscle (metabolism, hormone profiles, recovery etc etc). Now I fully get the “I wanna be shredded” feeling, I think all young guys want that, but I’m going to point out that you don’t always need to choose between the Bulk (a term I f-cking hate) and Cut options.
You obviously have some decent muscle, and muscle is “costly” to your body in terms of nutrients and calories. IN fact, having muscle is a great thing, I used to be able to eat ridiculous amounts of food and wake up every morning with abs no matter how bloated I may have felt the night before… So here’s what I’m getting around to suggesting…
Figure out what you need to maintain where you’re at. If that means crunching number, or if you just want to eat what you consider normally and write it down for a week, whatever, but suck it up and do it. Once you’ve got that info, there’s your baseline and you can work from there. Ensure that you’re covering your bases in terms of supporting muscle growth, without having too much “left over.” What this will ensure, as opposed to the “just eat 500 cals a day more” crowd, is that you will be able to make progress without supporting the fat, and eventually, your body will Re-Compose. Your weight may not move at all for weeks if not months, but if your training is spot on, you’d be surprised how different you can look.
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Thanks a lot,that would make a lot of sense to do.
So eating a lil bit below maintance right?
All my years competing, I never went out of my way to intentionally eat more during my off seasons. I knew I was getting enough protein, I knew I was getting enough healthy fats, and my non-contest Weight was always about the same… but each year when I would cut up for the stage, I would be an extra 2-3 lbs heavier (pure muscle). Of course I was in my late 30’s, so you’re gonna do much better than I did 
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Thanks @EyeDentist for the tag!
@skinnydeadliftgod, others have provided great feedback on these forums, and I don’t want to beat a dead horse. To summarize my thoughts very briefly, (and please know you can always feel free to tag me for more detailed feedback), don’t try to go on a hard cut. Focus on eating around or slightly above maintenance, and put on more muscle. 154lbs at 6’2 is not going to be the look you want. Heck, I’m 154lbs right now at 5’4" hovering around 10% bodyfat, and it took years of solid training and smart eating to come up from 130lbs at 5’4" that I was at 6 years ago.
Best of luck, and again feel free to tag me anytime.