Jesus some of ya’ll are ridiculous. The guy got busted and it had nothing to do with working out or rubbing one out. He got caught, it’s his fault. The league wouldn’t try to make an example off of one of it’s future star players unless there was a reason. I can’t help but wonder if DeFranco’s rant was legit and he really believes Cushing or if he’s just along for the ride. The constant use of the word “family” stikes me as a little odd. And, again, I don’t give a shit if he juiced or not 'cause the dude can play and is in a league full of juicers. He jsut shoulda been smarter.
And here come the “ROIDZ IZ EBIL AND ALL PRO’S UZE BRAH” witch hunters to join the “HE DUN MADEZ MORE PROGREZZ THANS MEH, HE MUST BE ON DA DRUGZERZ” crowd…
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]ADvanced TS wrote:
[quote]Kerley wrote:
Defrancos stance on this whole thing.[/quote]
Gotta respect Joe for his loyalty.
Some trainers may have caved under the pressure.[/quote]
His little “rant” gave me chills…
I guess I’m a little girl, or a fanboy. lol
God I miss old school people with integrity and respect.[/quote]
I’m with you on that 100%.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
And here come the “ROIDZ IZ EBIL AND ALL PRO’S UZE BRAH” witch hunters to join the “HE DUN MADEZ MORE PROGREZZ THANS MEH, HE MUST BE ON DA DRUGZERZ” crowd…
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Cmon everyone in pro sports HAS to use. or else they wouldnt be playing. DUH
[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:
Wasnt he also a pro bowler? [/quote]
He bowls AND plays football? Do the seasons overlap? Not many guys can be professional athletes in 2 sports.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
And here come the “ROIDZ IZ EBIL AND ALL PRO’S UZE BRAH” witch hunters to join the “HE DUN MADEZ MORE PROGREZZ THANS MEH, HE MUST BE ON DA DRUGZERZ” crowd…
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No one in this thread has said anything about “ROIDZ IZ EBIL” or any of that nonsense. Keep that strawman out of here.
The dude knowlingly broke the rules, got caught, and now has to deal with the consequences. Whether or not you think that the NFL as a PRIVATE organization should have rules against PED’s or not is irrelevant.
I heard a great interview with a sports writer who holds a vote for the defensive player of the year, and he said that he will again vote for Brian Cushing in the re-vote.
He stated that not only is this still a fluid situation with new information being released daily and confusion clouding all of it, but that you cannot make rules and then enforce them retroactively. If you want to re-vote on a player that has failed a test, make that a rule now, and enforce it in the future.
[quote]sen say wrote:
[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:
Wasnt he also a pro bowler? [/quote]
He bowls AND plays football? Do the seasons overlap? Not many guys can be professional athletes in 2 sports. [/quote]
haha well played
Just to play Devil’s advocate here, why couldn’t he make a compelling argument during his appeal that was heard by the NFL in Feb? If it’s that weak of a case, I’d like him to sue the NFL and see how this plays out in a courtroom.
DB
[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:
I dont understand how they are suspending him for failing one, but passed one every week for the rest of the season. Wouldnt the powers that be understand it was false test (or whatever the terminology for it is)? This really sucks for Cush. Also what was the deal with the guy Joe called out in his article?[/quote]
Well, to play the devil’s advocate (not saying that I believe one side or the other) - some people would point to that and say ‘Look, see, it was high one week and never again, that proves that it isn’t just naturally high, if that were the case it would be all the time.’
That’s ignoring that (apparently, i dont know much about it) hCG levels fluctuate on a regular basis. But regardless, the lack of a continually high level is not in and of itself evidence of a false positive/error/fluke/whatever
As someone who was always accused of being on something because I was always bigger or stronger than expected, I feel for the guy. He very well may have taken steroids and if he did, I wouldn’t blame him. If that is your livelihood you do what you have to do. But I will say, it is funny how so many people, especially on this board have rushed to judgment to say he broke the rules or did something wrong. Most people only want to use “Innocent until proven guilty” as long as it applies to them. More info continues to pop up and I am more inclined to believe that the NFL has decided to make an example of him, which is quite easy to do, especially when you have already made the effort to convict him in the court of public opinion.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Would the elevated levels from a workout be enough to set the test off? Haven’t seen that asked yet. I have no idea if this guy uses, nor do I care, but there’s been rumors of him juicing since highschool. Maybe it’s haters talking shit, or maybe there’s something to it. Either way if he gets his ROY status stripped that would be a shame. Nothing in any bottle or vial put in the work for him.[/quote]
Dude, the article said the test result was so low that if this had been the result even one year ago, that he would have passed.
If anything that points to the TEST being too damn sensitive and not anything wrong with Cushing.
People are sheep.[/quote]
Or it points to the test NOT having been sensitive ENOUGH last year. I have no idea how stringent the test currently is, nor how stringent/lax it may’ve previously been. In fact, I dont even know how hcg levels are measured - dl? Who knows?
But regardless the test may be too stringent, too lax or just right, but the mere fact that it’s different than it was last year doesn’t indicate anything
[quote]Eric 2.0 wrote:
Sounds like the NFL is more concerned with the general public thinking that they’re tough on AAS and banned substances than they are with being accurate, fair, and sensible. [/quote]
Absolutely. Every so often they trot out a sacrificial lamb to appease the “Hey, get tough on drugs!” crowd
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
No one in this thread has said anything about “ROIDZ IZ EBIL” or any of that nonsense. Keep that strawman out of here.[/quote]
I wasn’t talk to you, or about you… Sort of telling that you fell like I was though.
I’m not going to debate with you about this either. We are both smart enough to know what some people were implying with their posts.
Did he break the rules? I have to assume so, but to damn the man and try and ruin his name without knowing dick about the situation beyond what the fucking press writes is ignorant. Dude I read the articles these people write about taxes, they are fucking morons writing to the lowest common denominator.
I believe Defranco over anyone else man, sorry, but I do. Maybe I’m wrong to, but I always stick up for someone that works taht hard as honest until they PROVE they are full of shit. Where I come from, effort means something.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
This is from an ESPN article on the situation. Pretty interesting:
"Cushing’s test was positive for slightly elevated levels of hCG, the source familiar with the case told Schefter. The level that he tested positive for was so low that it would not have been considered a positive test even a year ago.
hCG (human chorionic gonadotropin) is a banned substance that is widely used to stimulate the body’s testosterone production after an athlete uses anabolic steroids.
One person familiar with testing procedures told Schefter that hCG is contained in seminal fluid and that slightly elevated levels can be discovered in the event that a test occurs soon after ejaculation.
Cushing took and passed a lie-detector test to prove he was not guilty of taking a performance-enhancing drug, but his four-game suspension still stands, a league source told Schefter"
So he could get busted and lose all these awards cause the guy busted a nut too close to a test? lolz
.greg.
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Based on that info, no one should be for this action. If he would have passed even one year ago because of how low the level was, then why the hell is this an issue now?[/quote]
exactly. This should be a non issue and he should be cleared because he was tested and re tested through out the season and never once failed a test. Also he passed a lie detector test given by the NFL to see if he had ever used anabolic steroids.
The AP is a bunch of hypocrites for revoting when then didnt do it for Peppers when he was actually suspended during his rookie year and still won the award.
.greg.[/quote]
Lie detectors dont mean jack. Innocent men have failed them and guilty men have passed.
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
I heard a great interview with a sports writer who holds a vote for the defensive player of the year, and he said that he will again vote for Brian Cushing in the re-vote.
He stated that not only is this still a fluid situation with new information being released daily and confusion clouding all of it, but that you cannot make rules and then enforce them retroactively. If you want to re-vote on a player that has failed a test, make that a rule now, and enforce it in the future.[/quote]
That’s uncharacteristically sensible for a journalist. Do you remember who it was?
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
I believe Defranco over anyone else man, sorry, but I do. Maybe I’m wrong to, but I always stick up for someone that works taht hard as honest until they PROVE they are full of shit. Where I come from, effort means something.[/quote]
Defranco has a vested interest in Cushing being clean. If ONE of his athletes (and a star of his, at that) goes down for a violation, he could very well lose ALL of his business.
How many times has an athlete been closely affiliated with a performance specialist of some sort, gone down for doping, the specialist claimed no knowledge, and that ACTUALLY been the truth? Refer back to Victor Conte and BALCO.
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
This is from an ESPN article on the situation. Pretty interesting:
"Cushing’s test was positive for slightly elevated levels of hCG, the source familiar with the case told Schefter. The level that he tested positive for was so low that it would not have been considered a positive test even a year ago.
hCG (human chorionic gonadotropin) is a banned substance that is widely used to stimulate the body’s testosterone production after an athlete uses anabolic steroids.
One person familiar with testing procedures told Schefter that hCG is contained in seminal fluid and that slightly elevated levels can be discovered in the event that a test occurs soon after ejaculation.
Cushing took and passed a lie-detector test to prove he was not guilty of taking a performance-enhancing drug, but his four-game suspension still stands, a league source told Schefter"
So he could get busted and lose all these awards cause the guy busted a nut too close to a test? lolz
.greg.
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Based on that info, no one should be for this action. If he would have passed even one year ago because of how low the level was, then why the hell is this an issue now?[/quote]
exactly. This should be a non issue and he should be cleared because he was tested and re tested through out the season and never once failed a test. Also he passed a lie detector test given by the NFL to see if he had ever used anabolic steroids.
The AP is a bunch of hypocrites for revoting when then didnt do it for Peppers when he was actually suspended during his rookie year and still won the award.
.greg.[/quote]
Lie detectors dont mean jack. Innocent men have failed them and guilty men have passed. [/quote]
You can say the same thing about virtually any drug test.
cant he just do what jay cutler did when he failed a diuretic test and sue someone?
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
You can say the same thing about virtually any drug test.[/quote]
Well of course, but the likelihood of obtaining a false negative on a polygraph is far higher than vs. a urine or blood sample.