[quote]Dolce wrote:
[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:
[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
Here is one of the gyno pictures.[/quote]
He looks kind of tiny in that picture, could that just be natural gyno? [/quote]
here’s cushing as a high schooler and doesn’t look like he has any gyno. http://sportsfags.com/files/2010/01/brian-cushing-lifting-weights.jpg
as you can see, the kid was a pure beast even early on. i highly doubt he roided that young. [/quote]
He did use steroids in high school as well.
Adam Schefter keeps refering to the NFL’s steroid policy he even corrects himself at the end of the clip. Is that the same thing as the NFL’s performance enhancing substance policy?
Adam Schefter keeps refering to the NFL’s steroid policy he even corrects himself at the end of the clip. Is that the same as the NFL’s performance enhancement substance policy?
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
I read the nfl band substances, actually skimmed…but let me get this straight, a player may get suspended, or be under scrutiny if he has sudafed in his system? shit what if he has a cold? OR a team doctor has to prescribe and over the counter drug? WTF?[/quote]
Have you ever taken the kind where you need to sign a government contract to buy?
Shit is FUCKING BANANAS. Lol, dude it is speed that dries up your sinuses.
I worked all afternoon standing up and was sweating like it was leg day. My bosses were kinda pissed, until I told them I took too much Sudafed, then they understood.
Stuff is fucking speed man.
[quote]JonBlood wrote:
He did use steroids in high school as well.
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And you “know” this how?
[quote]TheJonty wrote:
[quote]Kanada wrote:
So, a pro natty bodybuilder weighs in at 170 and is usually one of the biggest and baddest men in the house. Pro untested bodybuilders weigh in at 230+ onstage (generalization)
Now, obviously there are more pro football players, and likewise more kids playing football form a young age. But it is that unreasonable to say that many of those pro football players we see, tippin the scales at 5’10 230 (a la Rudi Johnson, LT2, Deuce, Zach Thomas etc) are all on roids?
It seems unfair to punish Cushing because he was a bad example of roids gone wrong. There has to be a better way to resolve the steroid issue than the current war on drugs. Cause no one really wins [/quote]
I don’t think being 5’10 230 (and let’s be serious, not in on-stage bodybuilder shape, so throw those numbers out) is enough to assume somebody’s using. I’m 5’11 and normally walking around at 235-240 these days.
Does that mean I’m automatically on PEDs of some sort? I’m not trying to say these guys aren’t using, just that their size is a shitty argument (I would look at the length of the season, the injuries they fight through, and how hard they work day in and day out as better evidence).
Also, anybody else mildly peeved that he gets busted for a violation of the performance-enhancing substance policy, and somehow that automatically means steroids?[/quote]
point is, dude your not anywhere near NFL athlete calibre, and yeah 5’10 230 is not far off Roelly Winklaar (5’8 240) at the Arnold. Granted they play different sports, and TheMightyStu, a pretty big natty, was up to 210lbs at one point.
I don’t know if there is an automatic size where you have to go, “Oh he is juicing”, cause Lord knows if Jesus walked on water then Kai Greene could be natural. Players like Cushing, Merriman, everyone shoulda seen that coming.
And the PED thing is pretty much entirely aimed at steroids. The Williams’, Pat and Kevin for the Vikings, got busted for diet pills but the suspicion is that they used it as a masking agent. There is no magic bullet for muscle except anabolic agents, which is why we test from A-G. Problem is they juice from A-Z
The Williams Wall that, along with Jared Allen’s pass rushing, brought the Vikings to within 3 points of the Super Bowl, will also serve a suspension:
LOL @ the thought that football players are anywhere near the BF levels of stage ready BB’ers.
Your point is fucking retarded. 5’10" 230 stage ready and 5’10" 230 @13-15% are two VERY different things.
Fuck some of you people are so fucking deluded, no wonder my mother thinks husk fiber is steroids. I mean the genetic elite among the human race play the sport, I think it is safe to say their measurements may NOT be the best judge of if they are on anything or not.
I know they are different positions, but will Cushing fall off like Merriman did? Only time will tell. Either way the guy will always have the monkey on his back.
So stupid, you’d think these athletes making millions would just HGH since there is no way the NFL will implement blood testing.
[quote]Dolce wrote:
[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:
[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
Here is one of the gyno pictures.[/quote]
He looks kind of tiny in that picture, could that just be natural gyno? [/quote]
here’s cushing as a high schooler and doesn’t look like he has any gyno. sportsfags.com/files/2010/01/brian-cushing-lifting-weights.jpg
as you can see, the kid was a pure beast even early on. i highly doubt he roided that young. [/quote]
Man these pictures mean nothing. My nips go puffy like that all the time, and when im exercising and shit they go normal like the 2nd pic. Those under-armour shirts make them look 10x worse too.
[quote]HeadofState2040 wrote:
[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:
Taylor Mays is a freak too! but prolly juices as well…either way they r still damn fine athletes who just tried to recover a lil faster(or alot)[/quote]
Went to school with the guy. Never actually had a class with him, but the other football players I did have class with said he was a very big “anti-steroids guy”. My first thought after that was he’s probably taking some sort of PED then.[/quote]
I played little league on the same team as him when we were probably around 8 or 9 since we lived about four blocks apart. He fucking embarrassed everyone else on the field. I’ve seen him a couple times in our shitty neighborhood gym during the summer since he went to USC, kid is huge. His dad, Stafford, is absurdly nice though.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
I read the nfl band substances, actually skimmed…but let me get this straight, a player may get suspended, or be under scrutiny if he has sudafed in his system? shit what if he has a cold? OR a team doctor has to prescribe and over the counter drug? WTF?[/quote]
Have you ever taken the kind where you need to sign a government contract to buy?
Shit is FUCKING BANANAS. Lol, dude it is speed that dries up your sinuses.
I worked all afternoon standing up and was sweating like it was leg day. My bosses were kinda pissed, until I told them I took too much Sudafed, then they understood.
Stuff is fucking speed man.[/quote]
I’m calling bullshit on this, I’ve taken psuedophedrine since I was like 10 for allergies. It has only been recently where you have to go to the pharmacist and sign something to get it. I’m pissed because it worked great, and although you may have had some side effects, it is far different drug then ephedra or methamphetamine.
Its the same thing with DXM in cough syrup, where it can get you really high if you drink the whole bottle, but it is highly effective at fixing coughs. Don’t go drinking a whole bottle of cough syrup because if it has other stuff in it, you will die.
Its ridiculous and am wondering how much of this crap is related to doping in sports which suddenly is representative of some moral crisis affecting the American public, hence they take effective and safe OTC medications off the market or attach some stigma to buying them.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
LOL @ the thought that football players are anywhere near the BF levels of stage ready BB’ers.
Your point is fucking retarded. 5’10" 230 stage ready and 5’10" 230 @13-15% are two VERY different things.
Fuck some of you people are so fucking deluded, no wonder my mother thinks husk fiber is steroids. I mean the genetic elite among the human race play the sport, I think it is safe to say their measurements may NOT be the best judge of if they are on anything or not.[/quote]
Right cause I’m being completely 100% serious that every 5’10 230 lbs NFL athlete is juicing. And since there is no proof that Barry Bonds did roids, we should assume that he didn’t? Don’t be a self righteous twat man, you know as well as I do that steroids are part of Pro sports, and neither of us knows exactly how widespread it is.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
So stupid, you’d think these athletes making millions would just HGH since there is no way the NFL will implement blood testing.[/quote]
i thought there was no way to test for HGH at all?
[quote]Kanada wrote:
point is, dude your not anywhere near NFL athlete calibre, and yeah 5’10 230 is not far off Roelly Winklaar (5’8 240) at the Arnold. Granted they play different sports, and TheMightyStu, a pretty big natty, was up to 210lbs at one point.
I don’t know if there is an automatic size where you have to go, “Oh he is juicing”, cause Lord knows if Jesus walked on water then Kai Greene could be natural. Players like Cushing, Merriman, everyone shoulda seen that coming.[/quote]
You’re right, I don’t think I’m an NFL calibre athlete, I don’t consider myself a part of the genetic elite of the human race. And I’m still walking around at about 235-240 at 5’11 (and natural, too, I might add), so I’d like to think those people out there who are a part of the genetic elite can be at least as big as I am before they start juicing.
And stop with the comparison to on-stage bodybuilders. You are not helping your case here.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
LOL @ the thought that football players are anywhere near the BF levels of stage ready BB’ers.
Your point is fucking retarded. 5’10" 230 stage ready and 5’10" 230 @13-15% are two VERY different things.
Fuck some of you people are so fucking deluded, no wonder my mother thinks husk fiber is steroids. I mean the genetic elite among the human race play the sport, I think it is safe to say their measurements may NOT be the best judge of if they are on anything or not.[/quote]
This.
[quote]Kerley wrote:
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
So stupid, you’d think these athletes making millions would just HGH since there is no way the NFL will implement blood testing.[/quote]
i thought there was no way to test for HGH at all?[/quote]
You can with a blood test, I believe MLB is doing them now but the NFL so far is refusing.
[quote]Kanada wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
LOL @ the thought that football players are anywhere near the BF levels of stage ready BB’ers.
Your point is fucking retarded. 5’10" 230 stage ready and 5’10" 230 @13-15% are two VERY different things.
Fuck some of you people are so fucking deluded, no wonder my mother thinks husk fiber is steroids. I mean the genetic elite among the human race play the sport, I think it is safe to say their measurements may NOT be the best judge of if they are on anything or not.[/quote]
Right cause I’m being completely 100% serious that every 5’10 230 lbs NFL athlete is juicing. And since there is no proof that Barry Bonds did roids, we should assume that he didn’t? Don’t be a self righteous twat man, you know as well as I do that steroids are part of Pro sports, and neither of us knows exactly how widespread it is. [/quote]
What?
HE’S being “self righteous”? He’s right, comparing regular levels of body fat with stage ready bodybuilders of the same weight and acting like being that heavy alone denotes steroids use is fucking retarded.
We get it, some of you think everyone is so physically limited. Kai Greene still competed as a natural at over 225lbs in contest shape and some guy walking around at 230lbs at 15% body fat is a totally different fucking planet than being shorter and carrying that much size at sub-6% body fat on stage completely dried out.
My question is, how the hell is this not clear to people before they even make comparisons like that?
Also, anyone who is still unaware that gyno occurs naturally in more than 60% of the male population has to be a retard at this point.
[quote]mc.loaf wrote:
[quote]HeadofState2040 wrote:
[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:
Taylor Mays is a freak too! but prolly juices as well…either way they r still damn fine athletes who just tried to recover a lil faster(or alot)[/quote]
Went to school with the guy. Never actually had a class with him, but the other football players I did have class with said he was a very big “anti-steroids guy”. My first thought after that was he’s probably taking some sort of PED then.[/quote]
I played little league on the same team as him when we were probably around 8 or 9 since we lived about four blocks apart. He fucking embarrassed everyone else on the field. I’ve seen him a couple times in our shitty neighborhood gym during the summer since he went to USC, kid is huge. His dad, Stafford, is absurdly nice though.[/quote]
Embarrassed everyone else on the field?
I guess people are just lying in wait to pounce on those in the public spotlight. Do we even know what the substance is yet?
How did he embarrass some kids from little league several years ago?
