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This is going be really funny when you realize who you’re talking to.

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It is happening, but no, absolutely not real.

You’re ancestors would have taken up arms and fought for their lives, but your culture has become weak, lazy, and inbred.

Probably better off this way.

Just have to practice using prompts. I use it daily for everything. I hardly google any more.

Sure. I don’t think Tom Platz’s quads were aesthetic. But that’s compared to his overall proportions. Increase size of his shoulders, back and chest and it would look better.

I vividly recall a judge talking with me after a contest. He said something like, “You have a very nice aesthetic physique. You just don’t have anything that looks impressive.”

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Interesting… would you say that in modern open Bodybuilding at the pro level. That things have reached the point that indvidual uniqueness has been lost? Looking back you seemed to be able to identify a guy without even seeing ones face . Be its Platz legs… Francos back ..Arnolds chest and arms…Zanes over all physique along with many others . To me anymore I feel you dont see that as much anymore . Your opinion?

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That is certainly the case. As for today, I don’t know as I don’t follow the sport like I did in the ‘70’s and ‘80’s, which meant I also know the distinctions of the greats of the ‘60’s also.

In many cases their physique was more distinctive than their face. Dave Draper and Larry Scott come to mind. There were no arms as perfect as Larry Scott’s for a few decades. Then Sergio and Arnold came to dominate the perfect physique battle. There was the incredible mass and detail in the entire back of Dorian Yates from his neck to his heels.

I would guess that I could match the physique with the face of over 90% of the very good physiques that I knew in those decades.

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That is my point. Those muscles you listed are ESSENTIAL for men to look aesthetic.

The other guy’s saying quad sweeps are aesthetic and add to the look of power. People forget Platz was 5’6” with short legs, so that exacerbated the non-aesthetic look to him.

Bodybuilding’s become a freak show. Arnie said this – Zane and Arnie were genetic lottery winners. I haven’t ever seen a man with Arnolds entire bodily development. I hate beach body, as it isn’t what bodybuilding is - It’s too small and their legs are non-existent. Whereas Steve Reeves, Sergio etc were the daddies of aesthetics.

You aren’t Tom Platz are you?

So we’re becoming like America then, I see…

Who am I talking to dearest one?

You aren’t the only one that agrees with me about those 3 muscles. NICE!

Dude, please don’t mention Dorian. He looked hideous and you know it. I don’t care what people say about him, but look at when he started out, he looked decent. Then he became a rhinoceros…Why? It’s ugly to me. I think Dorian, having slightly below-average clavicles wanted to gain as much size. But if his waist was smaller/pelvis too, and his clavs wider – He’d not have gained the size he needed to. Then you look at people like Milos Sarcev who had godly genetics - you can see that v taper FROM his skeleton.

Compare Lee Haney to Steve Reeves.

Lee had the wider waist however his waist “looked” smaller than Reeves because Lee had the more massive shoulders and upper back to V shape. Reeves had a 29” waist but it “looked” wider than Lee.

What does this mean? Stop focusing on measuring, most of this is illusion.

He won his first Mr Olympia in 1992. Imagine yourself on the judging panel. How would you have placed him?

You can Google the 1992 Mr Olympia results if you like or I can post them here for you.

Milos Sarcev was in the 1992 Mr Olympia. He failed to place in the top 15.

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That’s because in that era, bodybuilding swayed from the golden-era, to mass monsters. I’m assuming Dorian won it that year? And majority of the roster was getting large.

He still looked terrible dude. I don’t understand how you think size like that is ‘aesthetic’? Lmao! Phil Heath looked WAY better and was still huge, but NOT as huge. Lee Haney, my favourite ever body-builder looked significantly better than Dorian.

Looking like a water buffalo like Dorian, Remy and others is NOT AESTHETIC. It’s grotesque mass.

Jay, my second favourite bodybuilder was technically a mass monster, BUT he had aesthetic appeal – making him a rare candidate.

Measurements are one thing but the fact Reeves blurted out “I had a 25 inch bideltoid” made me laugh hard. I believe it when you say he had a 29 inch waist, giving the impression of that V-taper. I’d place him about 21 1/2 inch bi-deltoid on that tiny waist. So much BS and exaggerating – I just think narrow clavs are the WORST skeletal feature you can possess for bodybuilding, the waist/pelvis being a close 2nd.

Big joints being 3rd are the worst feature too. Larry Scott had thickish joints, so did Mike Mentzer - meaning they needed to pack on more mass to look slender.

They both still looked amazing though.