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[quote]lou21 wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:
The implication of saying that the government had to ignore the problem in order to oppose the BNP is that this is somehow the BNP’s fault. That if Nick Griffin had just kept his “racist” mouth shut they could have dealt with the problem.
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They did not have to ignore the issue they choose to ignore the issue - very different.

If they had been any use they would have listened to the numerous other people raising the issue and they would have been able to admit that in this case the BNP were correct. And 1000s of children would not have been raped.

The BNP are not the answer but that is not relevant to the fact that multiculturalism as implemented by the Labour government was a terrible mistake. [/quote]

The BNP are the answer and the reason why is they are the only ones who with the stones to deal with the root of the problem. Contrary to what Cameron just said the root of the problem is not “extremist preachers”. The root of the problem is all of their followers who they are preaching to.

The government awarding itself draconian and undemocratic new powers to monitor and punish “extremist speech” whatever that my be is ominous and scary. Worst of all it will not silence the Jihadi preachers. Even if the preachers are deported their followers will just go onto skype and get their message that way.

I guarantee you these new powers will not stop the Jihad, but they will most likely be turned on the political opponents of the lib/lab/con such as the BNP.

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The BNP = nationalists without a nation. You’re about 30 years too late.

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“With the economies stagnant and massive youth unemployment, what useful purpose is served by continuing mass immigration into Europe? An entire generation of young people is being destroyed by denying them the entry level jobs that are necessary to getting started up the employment/career ladder.”

That’s an economics question long before it is an immigration one. Admittedly, the sooner the EU narrative that “all immigration is great” dies, the sooner a rational discussion about immigration can begin. The EU is the only body I have ever seen to demand that countries accept huge influxes of unskilled labour.

They ensure us there is a benefit, but no country with any self preservation doesn’t have, at least, a mildly selective border policy.

Hell, some of the finest Brits in existence are the Gurkhas.

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[quote]lou21 wrote:

Instead I hope that we will follow a policy of integration and assimilation whereby the by now very disparate groups in British society are brought closer together rather than encouraged to live in separate parallel worlds as they were under the multicultural ideology.

The other issue is as kaaleppi said that the UK has for a long time been far too tolerant of paedophiles and far too keen to blame the victims. Hopefully this is now changing.[/quote]

Except they don’t want to integrate, they are leaving to join ISIS on every plane to Iraq, Syria and Turkey. I have no desire to assimilate that mongrel ideology.
The paedophile issue will likely run into the issue of potential racism again and again. I will bet dollars to dimes that Rotherham isn’t the only place hamstrung by such concerns.

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[quote]Sifu wrote:

The BNP are the answer and the reason why is they are the only ones who with the stones to deal with the root of the problem.

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They’re clowns. Before 911 they were only interested in the perceived “Jewish question.” Their ilk deserve everything that’s coming to them. Europe wiped out a civilised, industrious people clearing the way for the barbarian hordes.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:

The BNP are the answer and the reason why is they are the only ones who with the stones to deal with the root of the problem.

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They’re clowns. Before 911 they were only interested in the perceived “Jewish question.” Their ilk deserve everything that’s coming to them. Europe wiped out a civilised, industrious people clearing the way for the barbarian hordes.[/quote]

Not all of Europe did that SM. The UK, Denmark and Ireland, off the top of my head, did not give up their Jewish populace. The Germans, French, Romanians and Hungarians (to name a few) tripped over themselves to get rid of them.

To throw the entire continent under the bus is a bit much. That would be like saying that Australians are sheep fuckers because New Zealanders have a reputation for it.

The BNP are clowns though. No argument there.

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[quote]Legalsteel wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:

The BNP are the answer and the reason why is they are the only ones who with the stones to deal with the root of the problem.

[/quote]

They’re clowns. Before 911 they were only interested in the perceived “Jewish question.” Their ilk deserve everything that’s coming to them. Europe wiped out a civilised, industrious people clearing the way for the barbarian hordes.[/quote]

Not all of Europe did that SM. The UK, Denmark and Ireland, off the top of my head, did not give up their Jewish populace. The Germans, French, Romanians and Hungarians (to name a few) tripped over themselves to get rid of them.

To throw the entire continent under the bus is a bit much. That would be like saying that Australians are sheep fuckers because New Zealanders have a reputation for it.

The BNP are clowns though. No argument there. [/quote]

I’m not blaming all of Europe. I’m blaming Nazis - and the BNP are Nazis for the most part. European nationalists who sympathise with Nazism deserve what’s coming to them.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Legalsteel wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:

The BNP are the answer and the reason why is they are the only ones who with the stones to deal with the root of the problem.

[/quote]

They’re clowns. Before 911 they were only interested in the perceived “Jewish question.” Their ilk deserve everything that’s coming to them. Europe wiped out a civilised, industrious people clearing the way for the barbarian hordes.[/quote]

Not all of Europe did that SM. The UK, Denmark and Ireland, off the top of my head, did not give up their Jewish populace. The Germans, French, Romanians and Hungarians (to name a few) tripped over themselves to get rid of them.

To throw the entire continent under the bus is a bit much. That would be like saying that Australians are sheep fuckers because New Zealanders have a reputation for it.

The BNP are clowns though. No argument there. [/quote]

I’m not blaming all of Europe. I’m blaming Nazis - and the BNP are Nazis for the most part. European nationalists who sympathise with Nazism deserve what’s coming to them.[/quote]

We are in accord then.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Legalsteel wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:

The BNP are the answer and the reason why is they are the only ones who with the stones to deal with the root of the problem.

[/quote]

They’re clowns. Before 911 they were only interested in the perceived “Jewish question.” Their ilk deserve everything that’s coming to them. Europe wiped out a civilised, industrious people clearing the way for the barbarian hordes.[/quote]

Not all of Europe did that SM. The UK, Denmark and Ireland, off the top of my head, did not give up their Jewish populace. The Germans, French, Romanians and Hungarians (to name a few) tripped over themselves to get rid of them.

To throw the entire continent under the bus is a bit much. That would be like saying that Australians are sheep fuckers because New Zealanders have a reputation for it.

The BNP are clowns though. No argument there. [/quote]

I’m not blaming all of Europe. I’m blaming Nazis - and the BNP are Nazis for the most part. European nationalists who sympathise with Nazism deserve what’s coming to them.[/quote]

I appreciate that the BNP are not the very best that one could hope for to lead. But there really is no one else who can be trusted to do what they say they are going to do on the issue of immigration or other issues that relate to the vitality of the nation.

I would argue that one of the strengths of the BNP is they have had so much dirt thrown at them over the years that they are not a party that a career minded politician would join. In Europe a career in politics is an extremely lucrative gravy train.

Because it would be career suicide the kind of candidates they attract are people who care more about selflessly serving the nation than their own personal gain. They truly are a grass roots issue driven party. There is no other party like that.

As for the name calling and labeling people as Nazis that is a very hypocritical case of kettles and pots. Since you want to go down that road answer this. How do the Labour and Tory parties compare to that view?

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[quote]Sifu wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Legalsteel wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:

The BNP are the answer and the reason why is they are the only ones who with the stones to deal with the root of the problem.

[/quote]

They’re clowns. Before 911 they were only interested in the perceived “Jewish question.” Their ilk deserve everything that’s coming to them. Europe wiped out a civilised, industrious people clearing the way for the barbarian hordes.[/quote]

Not all of Europe did that SM. The UK, Denmark and Ireland, off the top of my head, did not give up their Jewish populace. The Germans, French, Romanians and Hungarians (to name a few) tripped over themselves to get rid of them.

To throw the entire continent under the bus is a bit much. That would be like saying that Australians are sheep fuckers because New Zealanders have a reputation for it.

The BNP are clowns though. No argument there. [/quote]

I’m not blaming all of Europe. I’m blaming Nazis - and the BNP are Nazis for the most part. European nationalists who sympathise with Nazism deserve what’s coming to them.[/quote]

I appreciate that the BNP are not the very best that one could hope for to lead. But there really is no one else who can be trusted to do what they say they are going to do on the issue of immigration or other issues that relate to the vitality of the nation.

I would argue that one of the strengths of the BNP is they have had so much dirt thrown at them over the years that they are not a party that a career minded politician would join. In Europe a career in politics is an extremely lucrative gravy train.

Because it would be career suicide the kind of candidates they attract are people who care more about selflessly serving the nation than their own personal gain. They truly are a grass roots issue driven party. There is no other party like that.

As for the name calling and labeling people as Nazis that is a very hypocritical case of kettles and pots. Since you want to go down that road answer this. How do the Labour and Tory parties compare to that view? [/quote]

If you wan to take that tack. vote UKIP. As for how well they stack up? Not favourably.

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[quote]Legalsteel wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Legalsteel wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:

The BNP are the answer and the reason why is they are the only ones who with the stones to deal with the root of the problem.

[/quote]

They’re clowns. Before 911 they were only interested in the perceived “Jewish question.” Their ilk deserve everything that’s coming to them. Europe wiped out a civilised, industrious people clearing the way for the barbarian hordes.[/quote]

Not all of Europe did that SM. The UK, Denmark and Ireland, off the top of my head, did not give up their Jewish populace. The Germans, French, Romanians and Hungarians (to name a few) tripped over themselves to get rid of them.

To throw the entire continent under the bus is a bit much. That would be like saying that Australians are sheep fuckers because New Zealanders have a reputation for it.

The BNP are clowns though. No argument there. [/quote]

I’m not blaming all of Europe. I’m blaming Nazis - and the BNP are Nazis for the most part. European nationalists who sympathise with Nazism deserve what’s coming to them.[/quote]

I appreciate that the BNP are not the very best that one could hope for to lead. But there really is no one else who can be trusted to do what they say they are going to do on the issue of immigration or other issues that relate to the vitality of the nation.

I would argue that one of the strengths of the BNP is they have had so much dirt thrown at them over the years that they are not a party that a career minded politician would join. In Europe a career in politics is an extremely lucrative gravy train.

Because it would be career suicide the kind of candidates they attract are people who care more about selflessly serving the nation than their own personal gain. They truly are a grass roots issue driven party. There is no other party like that.

As for the name calling and labeling people as Nazis that is a very hypocritical case of kettles and pots. Since you want to go down that road answer this. How do the Labour and Tory parties compare to that view? [/quote]

If you wan to take that tack. vote UKIP. As for how well they stack up? Not favourably.
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He has a point. UKIP also purged themselves of “racists” recently. Their immigration policy is skills based with no reference to country of origin. As I said earlier, I believe it’s already way too late to reverse the demographic trends in the West.

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I realise that a lot of people who support BNP are not Nazis and I don’t have a problem with people supporting them really. But even the BNP hasn’t faced up to the truth - namely, it’s too late. I think smart people realise the logical conclusion of Balkanisation and radical identity politics: Stasis - quite literally civil war. So how do you respond to avert such a crisis? Really, I have no answer. I believe it’s pretty much inevitable at this point. Watch continental Europe - they’re the canary in the mineshaft. It’s likely wars between nation states - Eastern Europe and Russia - will speed things along internally in many countries. Another massive war on the continent is likely in the next few decades. As with the last two world wars it will radically change the stakes. To be honest, I find it hard to blame people in Eastern Europe who side with Russia. People need strong leadership and homogeneity and they’re not going to get either from their own countries or the EU.

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Deport all mud people. White countries are for whites.

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[quote]Legalsteel wrote:

[quote]lou21 wrote:

Instead I hope that we will follow a policy of integration and assimilation whereby the by now very disparate groups in British society are brought closer together rather than encouraged to live in separate parallel worlds as they were under the multicultural ideology.[/quote]

Except they don’t want to integrate, they are leaving to join ISIS on every plane to Iraq, Syria and Turkey. I have no desire to assimilate that mongrel ideology.[/quote]

I would dispute that we should write off all Muslims because 1000 odd have gone to fight for ISIS. The response condemning those going has been quite strong. Large segments of the British Muslim population have said no this is not OK. A fataw against ISIS has been issued. Even some parents have reported their own children suspected of going to fight for ISIS. To write off millions of people for the actions of a few 1000 (at most) is stupid and will only fan the flames of separation and prevent integration.

(NB I have always thought that British Muslim response to important issues like AQ, these types of rapes, honour killings and FGM etc has been pathetic and almost complicit. I hope that condemning ISIS will give more British citizens who happen to be Muslim the stones to stand against these barbaric practices.)

[quote]lou21 wrote:
The other issue is as kaaleppi said that the UK has for a long time been far too tolerant of paedophiles and far too keen to blame the victims. Hopefully this is now changing.[/quote]

[quote]Legalsteel wrote:
The paedophile issue will likely run into the issue of potential racism again and again. I will bet dollars to dimes that Rotherham isn’t the only place hamstrung by such concerns.[/quote]

I wouldn’t take that bet anyone - there have already been convictions for other Muslim on white paedophile gangs in other cities. There will undoubtedly be more of these case coming out.

P.S. it is not just white people getting raped. Muslim girls are also raped by Muslim men and are apparently even more afraid to report it (facing as they do duel problems of family ‘honour’ as well as the states complicity in trying to ignore the issue).

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[quote]Legalsteel wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Legalsteel wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:

The BNP are the answer and the reason why is they are the only ones who with the stones to deal with the root of the problem.

[/quote]

They’re clowns. Before 911 they were only interested in the perceived “Jewish question.” Their ilk deserve everything that’s coming to them. Europe wiped out a civilised, industrious people clearing the way for the barbarian hordes.[/quote]

Not all of Europe did that SM. The UK, Denmark and Ireland, off the top of my head, did not give up their Jewish populace. The Germans, French, Romanians and Hungarians (to name a few) tripped over themselves to get rid of them.

To throw the entire continent under the bus is a bit much. That would be like saying that Australians are sheep fuckers because New Zealanders have a reputation for it.

The BNP are clowns though. No argument there. [/quote]

I’m not blaming all of Europe. I’m blaming Nazis - and the BNP are Nazis for the most part. European nationalists who sympathise with Nazism deserve what’s coming to them.[/quote]

We are in accord then. [/quote]

Agreed here too. The BNP are by their own words from the manifestos that have dropped through my door occasionally entirely a Nationalist Socialist party…

One thing that I do find curious though the Nationalists in Europe seem to have swung in favour of unconditional support for Israel in the last 10 years (e.g. a certain mass-murderer Anders Brevik) as their hatred has turned onto Muslims and away from Jews. I guess some people just need someone to hate.

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[quote]Legalsteel wrote:
The EU is the only body I have ever seen to demand that countries accept huge influxes of unskilled labour.

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I do wonder why they are so keen on this. I sometime wonder if this is to try to break up the societies of European countries (where not many people think of themselves as European first) to make it easier to move towards the ever closer union. More often I think that they are just stupid.

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[quote]lou21 wrote:

[quote]Legalsteel wrote:
The EU is the only body I have ever seen to demand that countries accept huge influxes of unskilled labour.

[/quote]

I do wonder why they are so keen on this. I sometime wonder if this is to try to break up the societies of European countries (where not many people think of themselves as European first) to make it easier to move towards the ever closer union. More often I think that they are just stupid.[/quote]

I think that is part of it. I would say it is part union ideology and part anti-racism.

However, they never counted on how badly it would affect club med. When you encourage migration as such, some places will have shrinking populations (Portugal) and other places have huge increases (the UK). Ghettoizes parts of the continent substantially.

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[quote]Legalsteel wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Legalsteel wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:

The BNP are the answer and the reason why is they are the only ones who with the stones to deal with the root of the problem.

[/quote]

They’re clowns. Before 911 they were only interested in the perceived “Jewish question.” Their ilk deserve everything that’s coming to them. Europe wiped out a civilised, industrious people clearing the way for the barbarian hordes.[/quote]

Not all of Europe did that SM. The UK, Denmark and Ireland, off the top of my head, did not give up their Jewish populace. The Germans, French, Romanians and Hungarians (to name a few) tripped over themselves to get rid of them.

To throw the entire continent under the bus is a bit much. That would be like saying that Australians are sheep fuckers because New Zealanders have a reputation for it.

The BNP are clowns though. No argument there. [/quote]

I’m not blaming all of Europe. I’m blaming Nazis - and the BNP are Nazis for the most part. European nationalists who sympathise with Nazism deserve what’s coming to them.[/quote]

I appreciate that the BNP are not the very best that one could hope for to lead. But there really is no one else who can be trusted to do what they say they are going to do on the issue of immigration or other issues that relate to the vitality of the nation.

I would argue that one of the strengths of the BNP is they have had so much dirt thrown at them over the years that they are not a party that a career minded politician would join. In Europe a career in politics is an extremely lucrative gravy train.

Because it would be career suicide the kind of candidates they attract are people who care more about selflessly serving the nation than their own personal gain. They truly are a grass roots issue driven party. There is no other party like that.

As for the name calling and labeling people as Nazis that is a very hypocritical case of kettles and pots. Since you want to go down that road answer this. How do the Labour and Tory parties compare to that view? [/quote]

If you wan to take that tack. vote UKIP. As for how well they stack up? Not favourably.
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Farage may talk the talk but I have doubts as to whether he will actually walk the walk. I can’t help but think that they are just another establishment shill meant to buy time to move the degeneration of the nation even further along. I hope they prove me wrong but past behavior does not inspire confidence.

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[quote]lou21 wrote:

[quote]Legalsteel wrote:

[quote]lou21 wrote:

Instead I hope that we will follow a policy of integration and assimilation whereby the by now very disparate groups in British society are brought closer together rather than encouraged to live in separate parallel worlds as they were under the multicultural ideology.[/quote]

Except they don’t want to integrate, they are leaving to join ISIS on every plane to Iraq, Syria and Turkey. I have no desire to assimilate that mongrel ideology.[/quote]

I would dispute that we should write off all Muslims because 1000 odd have gone to fight for ISIS. The response condemning those going has been quite strong. Large segments of the British Muslim population have said no this is not OK. A fataw against ISIS has been issued. Even some parents have reported their own children suspected of going to fight for ISIS. To write off millions of people for the actions of a few 1000 (at most) is stupid and will only fan the flames of separation and prevent integration.

(NB I have always thought that British Muslim response to important issues like AQ, these types of rapes, honour killings and FGM etc has been pathetic and almost complicit. I hope that condemning ISIS will give more British citizens who happen to be Muslim the stones to stand against these barbaric practices.)

[quote]lou21 wrote:
The other issue is as kaaleppi said that the UK has for a long time been far too tolerant of paedophiles and far too keen to blame the victims. Hopefully this is now changing.[/quote]

[quote]Legalsteel wrote:
The paedophile issue will likely run into the issue of potential racism again and again. I will bet dollars to dimes that Rotherham isn’t the only place hamstrung by such concerns.[/quote]

I wouldn’t take that bet anyone - there have already been convictions for other Muslim on white paedophile gangs in other cities. There will undoubtedly be more of these case coming out.

P.S. it is not just white people getting raped. Muslim girls are also raped by Muslim men and are apparently even more afraid to report it (facing as they do duel problems of family ‘honour’ as well as the states complicity in trying to ignore the issue).[/quote]

You don’t want to face up to reality. The thousand or so that are fighting for ISIS is just the tip of iceberg. Behind them are legions of like minded sympathizers.

There is a huge criminal element in the UK’ muslim nation. Almost half the prisoners in the prison system are muslim. Those men who have gone to fight for ISIS are like rock stars in their community, with immense street cred. Each one of those veterans will be able to coalesce his own cell of gang banger followers.

“Prevent integration”? Are you serious? You obviously have no idea what Britain is really like. If you go into any city or large town center on a Friday or Saturday night you will see that they are filled with hordes of drunken, drug addled, youths, who are absolutely wasted.

They drink booze like it’s water, pop ecstasy’s like they are Pez and have no boundaries or sense of modesty. You’ll see girls passed out on their backs with their legs spread, no knickers on and drunken boys running around going berserk. The men are alcoholics with no values, the women are drunken whores and the muslims find their behavior absolutely abhorrent.

Yet somehow you think they are going to get the muslims to integrate into that. It isn’t going to happen.

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[quote]lou21 wrote:

[quote]Legalsteel wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Legalsteel wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:

The BNP are the answer and the reason why is they are the only ones who with the stones to deal with the root of the problem.

[/quote]

They’re clowns. Before 911 they were only interested in the perceived “Jewish question.” Their ilk deserve everything that’s coming to them. Europe wiped out a civilised, industrious people clearing the way for the barbarian hordes.[/quote]

Not all of Europe did that SM. The UK, Denmark and Ireland, off the top of my head, did not give up their Jewish populace. The Germans, French, Romanians and Hungarians (to name a few) tripped over themselves to get rid of them.

To throw the entire continent under the bus is a bit much. That would be like saying that Australians are sheep fuckers because New Zealanders have a reputation for it.

The BNP are clowns though. No argument there. [/quote]

I’m not blaming all of Europe. I’m blaming Nazis - and the BNP are Nazis for the most part. European nationalists who sympathise with Nazism deserve what’s coming to them.[/quote]

We are in accord then. [/quote]

Agreed here too. The BNP are by their own words from the manifestos that have dropped through my door occasionally entirely a Nationalist Socialist party…

One thing that I do find curious though the Nationalists in Europe seem to have swung in favour of unconditional support for Israel in the last 10 years (e.g. a certain mass-murderer Anders Brevik) as their hatred has turned onto Muslims and away from Jews. I guess some people just need someone to hate.[/quote]

Hitler and the Nazis were and still are wildly popular all across Arabia. Mein Kampf is still a top selling book there. The Labour and Tory parties are the ones who are filling the country with millions of Nazi sympathizing muslims. Britain could not fight and win the Battle of Britain today because of the massive fifth column of muslims living there. Yet despite what is actually happening you choose to call the BNP Nazis.

Denial is not a river in Africa.