CT'S Semi-Guest Forum

CT, first off thanks for being so generous with your time an hosting this impromptu guest forum!

  1. I was wondering if you have any thoughts on how one might incorporate the Bulgarian Lifting routine you talked about in your last newsletter into traditional Westside training for say a 3 or 4 week mini-cycle?

  2. I am primarily interested in functional strength right now, I eat at or a little above maintenance as I don’t want to gain more weight…thus I am wondering if doing assistance lifts in the 8-12 rep range is a waste of time for me and I should just stick to the 3-6 or 20’s-30’s ( recovery, bullet proofing)?
    Also along this same line since with WS I don’t get much direct calve or bi work one day a week I have been hitting these muscles using a rotation of your Advanced Tempo Contrast and Extreme Drop Set #2 so these muscles could get some direct stimulus to carry them through the week without enroaching on the rest of my program. Is such a practice alright even if one is shooting mainly for strength and is not eating for more mass? Or am I doing more harm than good?

  3. A. Just out of curiosity I was wondering what some of your other interests might be outside of training/sports?
    B. Now that you have gone from oly lifting to competiting in bodybuilding what do you think you might try next? Sumo Wrestling!

Thanks again for your time!

[quote]Boss14 wrote:
CT,
While squating tonight i was told that i tend to “slide forward” when im coming out of the hole on my olympic squat. Its not that my trunk goes forward, its more like my weight shifts towards the balls of my feet, but my heels stay on the ground. Is this a flexibility issue or maybe a strength issue such as a weak posterior chain?
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Many of my athletes tend to squat that way. It’s more a question of motor habit than imbalances IMHO because when I tell them to focus on keeping the weight on their heels (actually trying to push with the heels) they don’t have a problem.

However it it possible that your quads are too strong for your hamstrings and glutes so your body, which will always look for the strongest muscles to do any actions, will shift the weight forward to use more of the stronger quads.

Indeed include more hamstring work (which is never a waste anyway) however really focus on pushing with the heels through the floor as you go up.

[quote]Boss14 wrote:
When incorporating some of the eccentric and isometric techniques for hypertrophy, as well as regular lifting, in a program how do you determine how much of each one you use in a week. Would it be best to choose one type, lets say isometric methods and use it for a week then switch to eccentric methods for the next week or would it be better to use them for seperate days in the same week just for different bodyparts? With all the different options sometimes i don’t know where to put the regular lifting and how much of it to do. [/quote]

With athletes I use a 3-days split. The whole body is worked on all 3 workouts. Day 1 is concentric emphasis, Day 3 is eccentric emphasis and Day 5 (or 6) is isometric emphasis.

For a bodybuilding-type program you can include all three methods within one session for each muscle (e.g. performing 3 exercises, one emphasis per exercise).

[quote]boonville410 wrote:
hey CT,
i have 3 questions/concerns:

  1. i hate training right now. overtraining, gambling, bad grades, women, and an extremely stressful job have lead to little training and a 30 pound fat gain in the past few months. after i lift or do cardio my eyes burn and i usually get a sore throat or sick like symptoms. i’m ready to get back into it and would like to finally lose all this fat. what should i do/what precautions should i take?
    [/quote]

Man, this is almost impossible to answer! For your motivation there is nothing I can do over the net, try to find something that will ignite your fire. Maybe it will be a training video like the Westside tapes or Ironmind competition lifting tapes, maybe the movie “Pumping Iron” will do the trick.

Reading training books might also help you out.

But most of all, set specific goal to achieve, write them down and post them around your house as a reminder.

If you have a specific goal, along with several short term goals to achieve, your motivation will be higher.

If you get flu-like symptoms chances are that your body is in a highly catabolic state. PERFECT (not correct or proper) nutrition is thus of the utmost importance. Drop ALL sugary foods, ALL fast foods, ALL processed foods (and that means no cheat days until your body is better). Stick to clean carbs like veggies (a TON of it! Eat at least 2-3 portions 6 times per day), some fruits, oatmeal, rice (preferably brown), unprocessed (integral) whole-wheat bread. Also include a significant amount of protein from quality foods: chicken and other fowls, fish and shellfish, ostrich, lean cuts of meat, whey protein, eggs, low fat cottage cheese. Also ingest some good fats, fish oils, flax oil and CLA are good choices (I recommand around 3g of fish or flax oil/day and 6g of CLA/day).

Supplementing with a Power Drive + cafeine (200-400mg) twice per day will help with your motivation, well being and focus in the gym.

[quote]boonville410 wrote:
2. i prefer to lift in the morning. the gym is empty and you can do jump squats and such without all the stupid looks. what do you recommend for pre-workout nutrition? i usually like to get up and go.
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I also train early in the morning because my days are so busy.

Try to wake up 30-45 minutes earlier to get in a quick meal before training. Eating solid food at that time might not be easy or ideal as it may interfere with your training performance. I recommand a serving of SURGE combined with 2 servings of Power Drive + 200-400mg of cafeine. 30 minutes afterwards you can start your training.

The Surge will provide you with all the nurtrients you need to avoid a catabolic state during your workout and to have energy in the gym. The Power Drive + cafeine stack will give you a much needed boost in the morning.

[quote]boonville410 wrote:
3. can you tell me about how you got to where you are today? did you do any interning, work experience? do you or any other coaches offer internship positions? i’m studying exercise science and aspire to strength train pro athletes, preferably hockey players.

Merci beaucoup,
Tim [/quote]

Most strength coaches do offer interships. However most charge a lot of money for it (Charles Poliquin charges around 3000$/week). I have had two interns so far, but I take them on a limited basis.

I published a good article on the subject in my most recent newsletter … here it is:

Trading places
How to make your mark as a strength & conditioning expert
By Christian Thibaudeau

For some of us, strength training is such a passion that we decide to make it our livelihood. Many peoples have a lot of knowledge when it comes to building muscle, strength and power. Yet, how many actually become “famous” strength coaches? Very few indeed! Sadly, the guys at the top are not always the better coaches: however they all have a lot of drive to make their mark and know how to market themselves.

I feel that I’m well placed to give you a few tips on how to make it as a strength expert. Not that I consider myself to be one of the top strength expert or a Guru of some sort. However I have achieved a fairly high level of success and recognition in a very short period of time. Becoming a reputable and successful strength coach is a lot like playing chess: you must think about your every moves and try to predict what will happen next.

So I am about to give you a few tips on how to get to the top and how to stay there when you reach it.

How to reach the top

Getting a break

I’ve said it many times I?ll say it again: the “secret” to being a successful coach is to get one big break. Your break could be getting a job writing for a quality training publication like T-mag, it could be training a young athlete who goes on to become a star and it can even come from an already established training authority who chooses to take you under his wing.

The thing is that you never know where your break is going to come from. So really, you should maximize your opportunities to get a break: get to work with as many athletes as you can, even if that means working for free at first, get in touch and establish good relations with any top strength coach you can. Basically you have to get your foot in the door anyway you can.

I worked for free during my first two years in the strength training world. The local athletes and organizations do not have a lot of money. And face it, if you are not a “big name” coach, pro athletes (who can pay a lot) will not hire you. But to get a good reputation you must produce athletes and most of all you must get to know athletes. During these first two years it was very hard for me to conciliate everything: training, career, studies. In fact I almost burned myself out at first. I took so many clients that I had a lot of trouble keeping myself organized. But I have no regrets because the more athletes you get to work with the more you hone your skills as a strength coach. Working with a lot of athletes will also increase your chance of getting a break. One of the young athletes you are training today could become a star tomorrow. He could also find himself training with sport superstars: word of mouth is very powerful! The more peoples talk about you, the greater are your chances to succeed.

Knowledge

You can have all the drive in the world, if you are not qualified as a strength coach you won?t last very long. It?s very important that you be able to produce results. While you don?t need a Ph.D. in exercise science to do so, you must acquire as much theoretical and practical knowledge as possible. This means reading everything you can on training, but reading it with a critical eye. It also means developing a feel for athletes. It?s one thing to plan a session on a piece of paper; it?s another to actually train athletes in the gym. The only way to develop that feel is to get to train as many athletes as possible.

Contacts

When you are trying to come up in the strength training field you cannot afford to be an asshole. A lot of wannabe trainers act superior and condescending to other coaches or regular peoples. This is big mistake! If you never know which athlete could become a superstar, you also don?t know which coach could become very influential in the future. I remember working with a local strength coach and self-proclaimed guru and he once told me in a fist of rage that he would ruin my career. Obviously that was before I started working for T-mag, training elite athletes and having a good reputation. The problem is that I?m now much more influential than he is. I?m not a vindictive guy, in fact if he wanted to work with me again I?d probably agree, but some other guys are vindictive and will remember if you jerked them around.

Some coaches can get away with being egocentrics and condescending, but this is only if they have the right to do so: once you are on top you can afford to be more self-confident and cocky. However I still believe that genuine good guys like Charles Staley, John Davies and I will have the edge in the long run. Never underestimate the power of respect and good relations. Cultivate them, if peoples feel that you?re a good guy they will often go out of their way to help you.

Establishing good working relations entails that you first need to create a relationship! You must go out and get to know peoples. Be genuine and frank. If you lie to them at first and they find out, you?re toasted!

Image

While enlightened athletes know that looks doesn?t equate knowledge, the vast majority of athletes judge you according to your physique. As a strength coach, having a muscular but lean physique is the best business card you could have. When I started my career I was still competing in Olympic lifting. At one point I was 230-240lbs on 5?9?. I was very strong and fairly muscular: but I did not have a pleasing or aesthetic physique. Deep down, most athletes want to look good, it?s human nature. So if your physique seems unattractive to them chances are that they will not really trust you. They will think: ?if he knows so much about how to get in good shape, how come he isn?t?. You cannot underestimate the influence of your physique on how peoples perceive you. I knew a weightlifting coach, great coach and great guy. However when he tried to go ?mainstream? he failed because he was grossly out of shape and obese. Now, he was a fantastic and knowledgeable coach but he just turned off most ?regular? athletes he approached.

Along the same lines I firmly believe that a strength coach should be able to do what he asks of his athletes. Obviously I?m not talking about being as good as them. However if you ask your athletes to do the Olympic lifts you must be able to do them yourself, and do them with adequate technique. If you ask your athletes to run several 400m sprints (which are hellish work) you better be able to do it. Some coaches will often workout with their athletes from time to time. John Davies is known for doing this and so am I. If your athletes see you train hard they will have an easier time accepting the grueling work you ask of them. As former Navy Seal commando Richard Marcinko would say: ?Leaders lead from the front, not from the back?.

Having an important sports background is also important. No need to have reached the elite level in many sports, but I believe that the more different sports you practiced, even if just for fun, the better coach you?ll be. For one thing you will be able to better understand the physical demands of a sport if you practiced it. Myself I have participated at the competitive level in football, hockey, soccer, rugby, golf, Olympic lifting, powerlifting, strongmen competitions and basketball. I have also done some skiing (alpine and cross-country), badminton and gymnastics.

One last point that is linked to the preceding one is that to be a good strength coach you must have a certain level of strength yourself. I?m not talking about being a world class strength athlete. But you must be stronger than most peoples in a wide variety of lifts. Being strong is much like your physique: it can enhance or break the confidence an athlete has in you.

Material presentation

It is very important to be professional, even if you?re not yet established as a true pro. This means giving out well designed, visually appealing programs and business cards. If an athlete hires you as his coach and you give him a hand written program on some piece of paper, how professional will you look? Not very! All of my programs as visually attractive: my programs are 25-30 pages long, include pictures of all the exercises used in the program; I use myself as a model so that my athletes know that I can do the lifts I ask of them. The cover page is a high quality semi-hard/glossy paper and there is a kick ass color logo on it. The back page is also semi-hard and glossy, giving the program a ?softcover book? feel. I?ll tell you that I?ve gotten a lot of jobs simply based on the attractiveness of my program. There is nothing wrong with it: if you know that you?re good, you must get your message across in any way possible.

Having a visually stimulating business card, a card that stands out of the pack, will also be a great tool. If you leave you card in a gym or anywhere else you must attract the attention of as much persons as possible.

Like it or not, one of the most important thing to become a strength training success is presenting yourself and your material in the best way possible. This is because of what?s known as the Pygmalion effect: the way peoples see you will influence what they?ll think of you. If they see you as a true pro, someone who cares about his athletes and someone who?s in shape they will trust you all the more!

Marketing yourself

I used to believe that strength coaches who marketed themselves aggressively were nothing more than sellouts. I even referred to the type as ?bandits?. However I now understand that there is an important need to market yourself if you want to be a success. Nobody will hire you if you are a ?nobody? who never leaves the basement! You must get your name out there, get some recognition. Writing for a quality magazine is a good start but not everybody can achieve that at first. But every strength expert can write a small information brochure/booklet and distribute it freely in gyms. If you include a lot of quality info, make it snappy and interesting your name will get around!

Basically try to get your name out as much as possible. Take any opportunity you have to have peoples talk about you. Do not be ashamed of marketing yourself, you are not a sellout: you know that you have something to say and you want as much peoples as possible to hear it!

You too can make it

A lot of young coaches are intimidated by the top dogs in the field. I once was like that too. Somehow I did not believe that I could become part of the elite myself. It?s only when I told myself ?screw them, I can make it? that I started to have success. Confidence brings success which brings confidence. The current strength training Gurus are peoples just like you, if you put them on a pedestal you are doomed to fail as you will always consider yourself to be inferior: you are not! Most training authorities are at the top because they had one big break or had a fantastic drive to succeed: if you have that you too can make it.

Once you reach the top

When you achieve a certain degree of success you must make your name a fixture in the mind of athletes and bodybuilders. When peoples think of strength coaching they think of John Davies, Charles Staley, Ian King or even Christian Thibaudeau. To get your name to become synonymous with the profession you must make important contributions to the field: write books and articles, produce videos, give seminars. The more productive you are, the more ?mythical? you become. Remember that image is important in getting the job and knowledge is important to get the job done!

A lot of trainers become arrogant and demanding as soon as they have some success. I still believe that being a good guy and having solid, positive work relationships with other coaches is one of the keys to long term success.

Along the same line, when you reach the top remember your big break and give something back. For one, I?ll do anything in my power to help a future strength coach to make a name for himself. Don?t be afraid of other peoples? success.

Another thing you should do as you become more successful is to be more selective with your clients. When you start out you need to work with as much athletes as possible. However as you become a big name you need to be associated with success stories. You simply cannot survive failures: only accept athletes who are hard workers, disciplined and talented, these will get much more out of your training and as a result you will look better. Furthermore, if you maintain a huge client base when you become part of the elite you really cannot give all your attention to each athlete. Elite athletes need to be closely supervised because the slightest improvement can mean the difference between winning and losing, between 100 000$ a year and 1 000 000$ a year.

I am myself at the mid-point between the two: I?m slowly reducing my client base. However I still have non-elite athletes: these are the guys that first hired me when I was a ?nobody? so I repay them for their confidence by continuing to work with them.

Conclusion

Obviously the strength coaching profession is not for everybody. However if it?s your passion and just know that it?s what you want to do, go for it! The tips contained in this article will help you achieve your goals. But you still have to do the work. Opportunities won?t come up on themselves.

[quote]snippdawg wrote:
CT, first off thanks for being so generous with your time an hosting this impromptu guest forum!

  1. I was wondering if you have any thoughts on how one might incorporate the Bulgarian Lifting routine you talked about in your last newsletter into traditional Westside training for say a 3 or 4 week mini-cycle?
    [/quote]

I really don’t like mix and matching routines. The westside routine is a complex program specifically structured to deliever maximum powerlifting results. It’s the INTERACTION between the various elements of the program that makes it effective. As such I wouldn’t try to hybrid it too much, you only risk decreasing your rate of progress.

The better option is to rotate westside with another routine (in your case the bulgarian split) every 3-4 weeks. This will provide a nice change of pace and will allow for continuous progress.

[quote]snippdawg wrote:
2. I am primarily interested in functional strength right now, I eat at or a little above maintenance as I don’t want to gain more weight…thus I am wondering if doing assistance lifts in the 8-12 rep range is a waste of time for me and I should just stick to the 3-6 or 20’s-30’s ( recovery, bullet proofing)?
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Nothing is a waste of time. But in your case I would stick with:

  1. Heavy weights
  2. Moderate weights lifted explosively
  3. Light weights lifted ballisitcally (actual projection in the air)
  4. Light weights performed under control for a high number of repetitions (20+) to increase blood flow and help with recovery

[quote]snippdawg wrote:

Also along this same line since with WS I don’t get much direct calve or bi work one day a week I have been hitting these muscles using a rotation of your Advanced Tempo Contrast and Extreme Drop Set #2 so these muscles could get some direct stimulus to carry them through the week without enroaching on the rest of my program. Is such a practice alright even if one is shooting mainly for strength and is not eating for more mass? Or am I doing more harm than good?
[/quote]

Yes, it’s alright (and probably even beneficial) as long as you stick with only those two small muscle groups and use such methods only once a week.

[quote]snippdawg wrote:
3. A. Just out of curiosity I was wondering what some of your other interests might be outside of training/sports?
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I’m a HUGE movie buff. I also love reading (I once read the complete "LOTR series in one sitting - 20 hours of reading in a row!). Don’t laugh but I also really like to take long walks with my girlfriend, great way to talk about our day and relieve stress.

[quote]snippdawg wrote:

B. Now that you have gone from oly lifting to competiting in bodybuilding what do you think you might try next? Sumo Wrestling!

Thanks again for your time! [/quote]

I’d be a little on the thin side for a sumo! Maybe I’ll try to become a strength coach :wink:

Thanks for your answer to the first question-- AWESOME!

  1. I read that you were/are a rugby player. What position did you play? I play hooker, and I would like to build a superbly strong neck. I have tried some of the exercises you reccommended for the racecar driver, but I currently do not have access to a neck harness. I can do several no-handed neck push ups, and many neck bridges. I also “made up” my own exercise in which I place a plate on my forehead and extend the neck from a lying position. Any more advanced exercises would be great.

Also, any advice on rugby training in general/program design would be great, especially in-season, with practices 3x week. I consider myself a moderate/advanced trainee, so you don’t need to go into detail, just point me in a good direction.

Thanks

RIT JARED

Question for CT and Glenn Pendlay:
When performing a power clean what are the main points one should remember in regards to perfect technique?

CT, Thanks for your time. What would you recommend for a good warm-up prior to weight training?

CT,
First of all, thank you for all the free advice you provide on the forums and your newsletter. Keep crunching out new books and videos, and I will keep purchasing them.

Now for my question. I just purchased the Shoulder Horn, and am wondering what your protocol for its use whould be.

Thanks again,
Rick

thanx for being here CT,
what do u think of Mag-10 during ur mutation series?? and at what phase would u recommend using it?? or do u think it’s better to save it for a bulking program such as ABBH or OVT ?? thanxx,

It’s there, but the text formatting is screwed. All of the chest/upper back routine is crammed onto each line with no spacing breaks.

I doubt the t-staff have time to fix it, but all it would require is some
tags…

hth

[quote]CLTmuscle wrote:
CT,
I PM’d you about this, but I will ask here too. In the Mutation series Part 2 the article that was posted is missing the Monday Chest and Upper Back workout. Can you please post this so we can all work and gain from your knowlege.
Thanks[/quote]

Awesome CT, thank you SO much. I really appreciate the time you’re taking to answer.

That makes sense. My only other question (if you have the chance), is how you determined your starting caloric level?
And are you maintaining these numbers every week, or are you gradually dropping your overall caloric intake (while maintaining the same ratios every day)…

[quote]ChrisThibaudeau wrote:
As of now I am myself ingesting between 300 and 400g of protein per day. I’m around 200 so we’re talking 1.5-2.0g/lbs of bodyweight.

My protein intake is influenced by my carbs intake. When I decrease my carbs, I increase my protein the same amount (so the caloric total is the same). Carbs are protein-sparing, so the more carbs you ingest, the less protein you need.[/quote]

I have some a couple questions regarding the Mutation Series part II.

First off, my training partner had trouble do the extended sets on bench in particular. He would nail all 5 reps on the first part, but by the last set he could not get 1 single rep on the extended parts. I had to help him get the weight up, though not much. The first set or two seemed a bit light for his 5RM, but the last two he barely got all 5 reps. Would you increase the weight the following week?

I was able to get atleast one rep on all 4 extended sets but only got 4 on the first part of the last set. I was going to add just a slight increase. Is this adviseable?

Also, we seemed to take forever with the workout, but yet it seemed we hardly wasted any time between sets. As soon as one ended his extended 5 we would quickly change weight and the other would go (those first 2 exercises took around 40 minutes… However, the A and B exercises seemed to take up so much time that we supersetting the C and D so we could get out of the gym. Is there anything you might suggest to change up the workouts to allow for a partner and usually only having access to one set of equipment (ie bench, leg press machine etc)?

CT- I paid by PAYPAL last Thurs for the .pdf . .is it the same wait as books in print ? It comes by e-mail not post right ?
Can you tell I’m a little eager ??

Thanks for replying
Mike :slight_smile:

Hey Christian. Thanks for doing your “Beast Evolves” program. It motivated me to make a change. I have posted a thread in this forum titled “My Own Beast Evolves”. Please read this post and give me any comments, suggestions, or questions. Thanks for your help.

CoachMike,

I ordered CT’s books on CD and it took two weeks to get here from Canada. It’s worth the wait, though. I think U.S. Customs is suspicious about stuff from Canada. I ordered a fitness product a while back and it took 2 weeks to get here. When it finally came, I noticed it came from a Canadian distributor.

We here in the U.S. need to keep a close watch on those Canadians! :slight_smile:

CT

I was wondering what your thoughts are for individuals that would like to compete in Strongman contests. I’ve trained as a bodybuilder and powerlifter for the past 6 years and have always incorporated finishers into my workouts but was wondering what kind of recommendations you have for strongman training.

Also, I’m 6ft. tall and 260 pounds. My bodyfat was around 15% the last time I checked so I could stand to lose a few pounds. Should I focus on shedding some fat and raising my GPP levels first before getting into strongman training?

Thanks CT! I really appreciate your time.

BB

Hi CT,

Sorry just a bodybuilding question.

I’m so pale from these Canadian winters that I’d REALLY like to get some good healthy looking brown color going. Do you advocate the tanning salons, or do you have a longer-term-healthier way to get your nice brown sheen??

Sir,

I am a newbie when it comes to actually doing the work. I’ve done a lot of studying of you guys and have a ton in my brain. Now I just need to do it…

Whenever I try to bring my diet under control, which predictably means upping my protein, fruits, and veggies while cutting down on the white and fluffy junk stuff, my body reacts very badly. I get headaches, a little shaky and light headed. My sinuses go nuts. Have you heard/seen this before? Could this be an allergy thing to the protein?

Thanks for your help.

Jason

CT-

You have written up A LOT of great programs be it in your book, your newsletter or right here at T-Mag…

If you had 16 weeks to get someone as big and strong as possible, which of the programs that you’ve written would you use and in what order?

Thank you for your time.

[quote]philtwine wrote:
Question for CT and Glenn Pendlay:
When performing a power clean what are the main points one should remember in regards to perfect technique?[/quote]

There are many many technical points to master.

But fundamentally, if the athlete can …

  1. Keep a “beach posture” (chest out, lower back arched, shoulders back)

  2. Keep the bar close to the body at all times (which require that you pull the bar up and back, by extending the legs and back while pushing the hips bckward)

  3. Explode violently by doing a simultaneous hip extension, trunk extension, knee extension and shrug…

You will be on the right path.