Well, I’ve been training a relatively short period of time, and am currently doing the Gironda system plan CT posted.
I also have a kilo of BCAAs coming in from Bulknutrition as I was wondering about the claim as well. I’m going to give it a shot.
Currently at 218 lbs, so I’ll post here with results if you want.
California,
I think the BCAAS will probably give you 8-16lbs of lean mass, but not 8-16lbs of muscle.
Lean mass and muscle are not the same thing. Muscle is only muscle. Lean mass can be muscle, it can be bone, it can be glycogen storage weigt, water weight, etc…
If they were that effective, don’t you think the word would have spread by now?
It will be interesting to hear what results you get though, maybe the stuff is that powerful, but I would be scared to spend all of that moola and not get the claimed results.
I put a question up in CT’s locker room thread.
[quote]Carbon-12 wrote:
I put a question up in CT’s locker room thread.[/quote]
CT’s answer kind of confirms what I posted above. Supposedly there are advantages to gaining lean mass even if it isn’t all muscle, so the protocol is probably still worth trying.
Don’t forget that in one of his articles CT was talking about “dry” muscle tissue… which of course greatly confuses the issue.
A better idea is to eat the rights amounts of food by planning it out. Then you use BCAA during and post workout to aid in recovery.
If you gain 1 pound a week, it adds up pretty quick!
I realize you guys ARE discussing the BCAA plan, but I think the 5 grams during 5 grams after w/ surge is a better protocol.
[quote]Dedicated wrote:
Half an hour later Four scoops of Metabolic Drive Complete in sixteen ounces fat free milk, scoop of Greens Plus, either a banana or raspberries or blueberries in shake. Two Flameout.
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4 scoops w/ milk and fruit? That must be more of a pudding than a shake. I put 2-3 scoops in w/ fruit and oatmeal and I use a tad over 24 oz of WATER.
[quote]naughtybox wrote:
Dedicated wrote:
Half an hour later Four scoops of Metabolic Drive Complete in sixteen ounces fat free milk, scoop of Greens Plus, either a banana or raspberries or blueberries in shake. Two Flameout.
4 scoops w/ milk and fruit? That must be more of a pudding than a shake. I put 2-3 scoops in w/ fruit and oatmeal and I use a tad over 24 oz of WATER.[/quote]
It’s thick, but I like it thick. It’s not a pudding consistency though, it flows well and tastes great.
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Here’s what CT wrote in his Locker Room thread: [quote]“Keep in mind that is only part of the cell volumization stack that I use with my clients.”[/quote]
Why didn’t he say that in the first article? There was NO such reference in the first article.
[quote]The actual stack is:
BCAA 5-10g
Creatine 5g
Glutamine 5g
Taurine 5g
Glycerol/glycerine 1-2 teaspoon
Taken 5 times a day.
Out of the 8lbs gain, around 5-6lbs was due to an increase in cell hydration/volumization because of the creatine, glutamine, taurine and glycerol.[/quote]
That certainly puts things in perspective. I wish the article had been a bit clearer on that point. OF COURSE a person taking creatine is going to gain 5-6 pounds. But the article/ad wasn’t about creatine, it was about BCAAs.
[quote]hockechamp14 wrote:
A better idea is to eat the rights amounts of food by planning it out. Then you use BCAA during and post workout to aid in recovery.
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This would be a helluva lot cheaper too.
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Here’s what CT wrote in his Locker Room thread: “Keep in mind that is only part of the cell volumization stack that I use with my clients.”
Why didn’t he say that in the first article? There was NO such reference in the first article.
The actual stack is:
BCAA 5-10g
Creatine 5g
Glutamine 5g
Taurine 5g
Glycerol/glycerine 1-2 teaspoon
Taken 5 times a day.
Out of the 8lbs gain, around 5-6lbs was due to an increase in cell hydration/volumization because of the creatine, glutamine, taurine and glycerol.
That certainly puts things in perspective. I wish the article had been a bit clearer on that point. OF COURSE a person taking creatine is going to gain 5-6 pounds. But the article/ad wasn’t about creatine, it was about BCAAs.[/quote]
Are you going to cry about it now?
Come on people, even if you gained 8 pounds, how much more money are you going to be spending on MORE BCAA’s if your diet sucks.
[quote]hockechamp14 wrote:
Come on people, even if you gained 8 pounds, how much more money are you going to be spending on MORE BCAA’s if your diet sucks.[/quote]
My diet is perfect. Even if it weren’t, I’d not seek advice from a 17-year-old parrot.
When you’ve accomplished something or can demonstrate you know something that has not been written at T-Mag, let us know. Until then, go do your parroting elsewhere.
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
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That certainly puts things in perspective. I wish the article had been a bit clearer on that point. OF COURSE a person taking creatine is going to gain 5-6 pounds. But the article/ad wasn’t about creatine, it was about BCAAs.[/quote]
It is an ad, you should not be surprised. At least you were smart enough to not take it at face value.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:
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That certainly puts things in perspective. I wish the article had been a bit clearer on that point. OF COURSE a person taking creatine is going to gain 5-6 pounds. But the article/ad wasn’t about creatine, it was about BCAAs.
It is an ad, you should not be surprised. At least you were smart enough to not take it at face value.[/quote]
Of course I’m skeptical. Which is why I initiated this thread.
Still, there’s a difference between hype and materially misleading someone. The ad said: Use BCAAs, gain 8-16 pounds. It did not say use BCAAs and creatine, gain the same weight. There is a HUGE difference there.
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:
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That certainly puts things in perspective. I wish the article had been a bit clearer on that point. OF COURSE a person taking creatine is going to gain 5-6 pounds. But the article/ad wasn’t about creatine, it was about BCAAs.
It is an ad, you should not be surprised. At least you were smart enough to not take it at face value.
Of course I’m skeptical. Which is why I initiated this thread.
Still, there’s a difference between hype and materially misleading someone. The ad said: Use BCAAs, gain 8-16 pounds. It did not say use BCAAs and creatine, gain the same weight. There is a HUGE difference there.[/quote]
sorry guys but i agree with californialaw here, it always bugs me when people talk about stuff, but don’t give you all the details.
then you go out and buy the thing, only at the end of it to realize you totally wasted your money because the other components needed weren’t there. it’s just like buying something to put together, only they don’t tell you that you need a ton of other things to actually make it work.
Come on, how many people seriously supplementing aren’t on creatine year round anyway?
I am not sure it’s even safe to assume offhand that very much of the weight gain is due to initial creatine loading anyway.
Strap your balls on Nancy, give it a try, and see what happens. Alternately, perform mental masturbation until the cows come home and be none the wiser for your troubles.
Also agreeing on this point, the article was seemingly deliberately misleading, especially in that it said that the gains were nearly drug-like. That certainly seemed to imply an actual muscle gain of that amount.
Regardless, BCAAs do certainly appear to have a very valuable role in recovery and growth and additional supplementation may yield results beyond what would normally be expected with a stable diet.
Personally, I’m still going to give the protocol a shot just for shits and giggles. I have a kilogram of BCAAs I just received and nothing to lose by trying it out.
[quote]vroom wrote:
Come on, how many people seriously supplementing aren’t on creatine year round anyway?
I am not sure it’s even safe to assume offhand that very much of the weight gain is due to initial creatine loading anyway.
Strap your balls on Nancy, give it a try, and see what happens. Alternately, perform mental masturbation until the cows come home and be none the wiser for your troubles.[/quote]
Nah, too many people would rather whine about being ripped off.
[quote]vroom wrote:
Strap your balls on Nancy, give it a try, and see what happens. Alternately, perform mental masturbation until the cows come home and be none the wiser for your troubles.[/quote]
You are a wise man. Doing research before making a $250 purchase is indeed the height of folly.
Thank you for your valuable insight!
Lets not forget that you can get a 100% refund on the BCAA’s if you are not satisfied with the results. The refund is valid for up to 90 days after the purchase, which is well beyond 8 weeks. You could even do it for 12 weeks and see if it worked…and if it didnt you could get a refund.
Hell, you could balls to the wall with the BCAA’s, the full on 10 pills 5 times a day and return them if it didnt work. Don’t be a douche and return them for no reason, but there is always that insurance policy against being mielead.