[quote]1000rippedbuff wrote:
None if it was bad, mostly it was about awareness and reaction. The med balls were used because most xfit gyms don’t have pads and that’s fine, its just to give something to hit.
I’ll say it was good food for thought in terms of self defense.[/quote]
I don’t have your experience in martial arts, but this was my thinking behind it. I actually think it is a good idea.
This is hysterical. They’ll teach these douchebags justtttt enough to get themselves killed.
Thinning the herd, as I say…
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
This is hysterical. They’ll teach these douchebags justtttt enough to get themselves killed.
Thinning the herd, as I say…[/quote]
I was hoping more kipping accidents would have done that by now.
Someday there will be crossfit taichi.
I think it?s pretty obvious MMA guys should learn how to kipping fight to increase their work capacity.
I’d ask the people who are ripping on Tony Blauer for setting up his course for the crossfit community: Do you expect everyone who wants to know a little about self defense to become an expert martial artist? That only comes with significant time in and a lot of rough sparring. Most aren’t willing to do that, even within those who 'train mma."
That being said, knowing the basics of avoidance, ‘don’t go to a second crime scene’ and ‘what mindset you have to have to better your chances to survive such and encounter’ and the legalities of potentially fighting for your life isn’t useless either, which is what most of this was about. I think what most people on here are thinking in terms of self defense is what it takes to successfully assault another person, which has nothing to do with self defense.
All it has to do with is helping your average person who has no interest in learning to actually fight, how to potentially save their own life, which is fine. I think if you are serious about, yes, you need to become a true martial artist. But most people lack the sand for that. And those who think a gun is the trump card, and this is coming from someone who carries a gun EVERYDAY, most situations in which you attempt to use a gun where self defense is warranted will get YOU ARRESTED AND PUT IN PRISON.
Most of the time it isn’t warranted and you have to have the physical ability to protect that gun. Anyone who is downplaying this and isn’t an accomplished martial artist is missing the boat. Especially if you think the gun is your trump card.
[quote]1000rippedbuff wrote:
I’d ask the people who are ripping on Tony Blauer for setting up his course for the crossfit community: Do you expect everyone who wants to know a little about self defense to become an expert martial artist? That only comes with significant time in and a lot of rough sparring. Most aren’t willing to do that, even within those who 'train mma."
That being said, knowing the basics of avoidance, ‘don’t go to a second crime scene’ and ‘what mindset you have to have to better your chances to survive such and encounter’ and the legalities of potentially fighting for your life isn’t useless either, which is what most of this was about. I think what most people on here are thinking in terms of self defense is what it takes to successfully assault another person, which has nothing to do with self defense.
All it has to do with is helping your average person who has no interest in learning to actually fight, how to potentially save their own life, which is fine. I think if you are serious about, yes, you need to become a true martial artist. But most people lack the sand for that. And those who think a gun is the trump card, and this is coming from someone who carries a gun EVERYDAY, most situations in which you attempt to use a gun where self defense is warranted will get YOU ARRESTED AND PUT IN PRISON.
Most of the time it isn’t warranted and you have to have the physical ability to protect that gun. Anyone who is downplaying this and isn’t an accomplished martial artist is missing the boat. Especially if you think the gun is your trump card.[/quote]
If self defense is actually warranted as defined by your state’s laws, you will not be arrested and put in prison. That is why the self defense laws are there in the first place. Depending on your state of course, but in my state if you reasonably fear for your life or fear imminent bodily harm, you are warranted in using your weapon.
That being said, a gun is a trump card for many people. Elderly, women, etc, it is asinine to think they could physically protect themselves or keep their gun from being taken from them by a full grown male with nothing but their hands. An elderly or female criminally assaulted by a male is warranted in self defense every single time.
Now, I agree I think anyone can benefit from some simple self defense instruction with regarding to martial arts. I for one enjoy grappling/ jiujitsu as I think they both apply most practically to real world confrontation.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
I think it?s pretty obvious MMA guys should learn how to kipping fight to increase their work capacity.
Not sure if trolling
[quote]1000rippedbuff wrote:
I’d ask the people who are ripping on Tony Blauer for setting up his course for the crossfit community: Do you expect everyone who wants to know a little about self defense to become an expert martial artist? That only comes with significant time in and a lot of rough sparring. Most aren’t willing to do that, even within those who 'train mma."
That being said, knowing the basics of avoidance, ‘don’t go to a second crime scene’ and ‘what mindset you have to have to better your chances to survive such and encounter’ and the legalities of potentially fighting for your life isn’t useless either, which is what most of this was about. I think what most people on here are thinking in terms of self defense is what it takes to successfully assault another person, which has nothing to do with self defense.
All it has to do with is helping your average person who has no interest in learning to actually fight, how to potentially save their own life, which is fine. I think if you are serious about, yes, you need to become a true martial artist. But most people lack the sand for that. And those who think a gun is the trump card, and this is coming from someone who carries a gun EVERYDAY, most situations in which you attempt to use a gun where self defense is warranted will get YOU ARRESTED AND PUT IN PRISON.
Most of the time it isn’t warranted and you have to have the physical ability to protect that gun. Anyone who is downplaying this and isn’t an accomplished martial artist is missing the boat. Especially if you think the gun is your trump card.[/quote]
You like jumping to conclusions and making assumptions huh?
There’s only one reply I have to your post: either really learn to defend yourself, or get the fuck out. These half-assed self-defense seminars “teach” people how to “throw a punch” or “grapple,” and give the attendees just enough confidence that they don’t run when they should, which is right away.
They are utterly worthless.
[quote]Bauber wrote:
If self defense is actually warranted as defined by your state’s laws, you will not be arrested and put in prison. That is why the self defense laws are there in the first place. Depending on your state of course, but in my state if you reasonably fear for your life or fear imminent bodily harm, you are warranted in using your weapon.
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Hahaha man I wanna live where you live. Land of Sunshine and Rainbows.
You vastly underestimate the ability of lawyers and the courts to turn your seemingly invincible case of “self-defense” into aggravated assault, attempted murder, or worse.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
I think it?s pretty obvious MMA guys should learn how to kipping fight to increase their work capacity.
That was the funniest fucking thing I’ve seen in a long time!
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]Bauber wrote:
If self defense is actually warranted as defined by your state’s laws, you will not be arrested and put in prison. That is why the self defense laws are there in the first place. Depending on your state of course, but in my state if you reasonably fear for your life or fear imminent bodily harm, you are warranted in using your weapon.
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Hahaha man I wanna live where you live. Land of Sunshine and Rainbows.
You vastly underestimate the ability of lawyers and the courts to turn your seemingly invincible case of “self-defense” into aggravated assault, attempted murder, or worse.
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I do not vastly underestimate anything. And I never said it was invincible. You have to use your brain and know the law and do whatever it takes to protect your loved ones and yourself within the confines of the law in your particular state.
I know a thing or 2 about lawyers and courts, especially in my area. Self defense cases are ones I study closely as I have a great interest in them. You are much more likely to get found guilty by the media or some anti-gun group than by the court system where justifiable self defense was used.
In most situations, evidence about the defendant or victimâ??s character and past actions is generally not admissible in a criminal trial. The idea is that you cannot attempt to convict a person of a charge by showing he was a bad person in the past â?? he is on trial for a specific charge and only facts relevant to that charge can be introduced as evidence.
However, for homicide cases where the defendant claims the murder was committed in self defense, the defendantâ??s homicide lawyer may be able to bring in evidence of the victimâ??s character. If the deceased victim was a clear badass with a history of stabbing people and violently beating people in bars â?? this information could be considered relevant. The victimâ??s history of violence could show the state of mind of the defendant i.e. that he was scared of the victim. It might also show that the victim was the initial aggressor in the fight.
To claim self defense in a homicide case, you need to show that you had a reasonable belief that your life was in danger and you cannot be the original aggressor. If you started the fight, the only way to assert self defense is to show that you withdrew from the fight in an obvious way â?? such as running away â?? and then had to defend yourself from the victimâ??s attack.
If the victim was known to be violent, you may be able to bring in evidence of the victimâ??s character in your efforts to prove self defense. Finally, if you do claim self defense for a homicide charge, it is the state which has the burden of proof â?? this means the state must prove you were not acting in self defense.
I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6. And I would gladly take prison time for protecting my family from bodily harm or death. And any lawyer worth his salt should be able to prove you were acting in self defense as long as you didn’t go full retard or step outside confines of the law in some major way.
Now, can it still go badly for you? Of course, I would never say it could not go badly for you even if you acted correctly. To deal in absolutes is a folly when it comes to court decisions. But, I would not let that deter me from doing my duty as a man.
[quote]mapwhap wrote:
Other than that…WHAT THE F…K is up with Glassman’s hair these days!!! Holy shit…talk about a mid-life crisis. He looks ridiculous. Kinda like a gimpy version of Jimmy Buffett.[/quote]
The BOK threw in a lifetime supply of Safeway Gin with their sponsorship deal.
Apparently that was one of the major hold up’s in the beginning.
Yeah I heard that dude, Tony Blauer, on a podcast (I think it was Joe Rogan’s). The dude is legit. Crazy, but definitely knows what he’s doing when it comes to self-defense.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]1000rippedbuff wrote:
I’d ask the people who are ripping on Tony Blauer for setting up his course for the crossfit community: Do you expect everyone who wants to know a little about self defense to become an expert martial artist? That only comes with significant time in and a lot of rough sparring. Most aren’t willing to do that, even within those who 'train mma."
That being said, knowing the basics of avoidance, ‘don’t go to a second crime scene’ and ‘what mindset you have to have to better your chances to survive such and encounter’ and the legalities of potentially fighting for your life isn’t useless either, which is what most of this was about. I think what most people on here are thinking in terms of self defense is what it takes to successfully assault another person, which has nothing to do with self defense.
All it has to do with is helping your average person who has no interest in learning to actually fight, how to potentially save their own life, which is fine. I think if you are serious about, yes, you need to become a true martial artist. But most people lack the sand for that. And those who think a gun is the trump card, and this is coming from someone who carries a gun EVERYDAY, most situations in which you attempt to use a gun where self defense is warranted will get YOU ARRESTED AND PUT IN PRISON.
Most of the time it isn’t warranted and you have to have the physical ability to protect that gun. Anyone who is downplaying this and isn’t an accomplished martial artist is missing the boat. Especially if you think the gun is your trump card.[/quote]
You like jumping to conclusions and making assumptions huh?
There’s only one reply I have to your post: either really learn to defend yourself, or get the fuck out. These half-assed self-defense seminars “teach” people how to “throw a punch” or “grapple,” and give the attendees just enough confidence that they don’t run when they should, which is right away.
They are utterly worthless.
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Did you read my reply at all??? I believe I said the EXACT SAME THING except what I put in the second paragraph which is teaching people the principles of avoidance, etc, and certain actions to take if something happens (don’t let them take you anywhere regardless of consequence) which was 99% of what this is about. In the sense of learning to strike, grapple or assault someone, yeah, its next to worthless.
[quote]Bauber wrote:
[quote]1000rippedbuff wrote:
I’d ask the people who are ripping on Tony Blauer for setting up his course for the crossfit community: Do you expect everyone who wants to know a little about self defense to become an expert martial artist? That only comes with significant time in and a lot of rough sparring. Most aren’t willing to do that, even within those who 'train mma."
That being said, knowing the basics of avoidance, ‘don’t go to a second crime scene’ and ‘what mindset you have to have to better your chances to survive such and encounter’ and the legalities of potentially fighting for your life isn’t useless either, which is what most of this was about. I think what most people on here are thinking in terms of self defense is what it takes to successfully assault another person, which has nothing to do with self defense.
All it has to do with is helping your average person who has no interest in learning to actually fight, how to potentially save their own life, which is fine. I think if you are serious about, yes, you need to become a true martial artist. But most people lack the sand for that. And those who think a gun is the trump card, and this is coming from someone who carries a gun EVERYDAY, most situations in which you attempt to use a gun where self defense is warranted will get YOU ARRESTED AND PUT IN PRISON.
Most of the time it isn’t warranted and you have to have the physical ability to protect that gun. Anyone who is downplaying this and isn’t an accomplished martial artist is missing the boat. Especially if you think the gun is your trump card.[/quote]
If self defense is actually warranted as defined by your state’s laws, you will not be arrested and put in prison. That is why the self defense laws are there in the first place. Depending on your state of course, but in my state if you reasonably fear for your life or fear imminent bodily harm, you are warranted in using your weapon.
That being said, a gun is a trump card for many people. Elderly, women, etc, it is asinine to think they could physically protect themselves or keep their gun from being taken from them by a full grown male with nothing but their hands. An elderly or female criminally assaulted by a male is warranted in self defense every single time.
Now, I agree I think anyone can benefit from some simple self defense instruction with regarding to martial arts. I for one enjoy grappling/ jiujitsu as I think they both apply most practically to real world confrontation.[/quote]
The thing with a gun is that there are times when you can use it and times you can’t and for grandma by the time it is legal, it is probably too late. Take the George Zimmerman case, by all accounts it was a clean case of self defense, but he spent over a year of his life defending himself in the legal system. In his case he had no legal justification to pull out his gun until Trayvon was on top of him beating the snot out of him. In that sort of situation, the vast majority of people aren’t going to have the wherewithal to grab the gun and fire. And those are the same people who are going to avoid learning the rough aspect of martial arts. Think of the old lady in that situation with a gun. Would she fare any better.
Keep in mind that just showing a gun is illegal with out intent being in immanent danger. And most of the time immanent danger doesn’t happen until you are in exactly the same situation as zimmerman. People who are really out to do harm don’t let you know its going to happen until they have the upperhand and that is usually when you are injured.
[quote]1000rippedbuff wrote:
Take the George Zimmerman case, by all accounts it was a clean case of self defense, but he spent over a year of his life defending himself in the legal system. In his case he had no legal justification to pull out his gun until Trayvon was on top of him beating the snot out of him. In that sort of situation, the vast majority of people aren’t going to have the wherewithal to grab the gun and fire. And those are the same people who are going to avoid learning the rough aspect of martial arts. Think of the old lady in that situation with a gun. Would she fare any better.
Keep in mind that just showing a gun is illegal with out intent being in immanent danger. And most of the time immanent danger doesn’t happen until you are in exactly the same situation as zimmerman. People who are really out to do harm don’t let you know its going to happen until they have the upperhand and that is usually when you are injured.
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hmm, you have made some good points overall but I have to disagree with you when you say that the George Zimmerman situation was a “clean” case of self defense. He ended up spending 18 months defending himself because it wasn’t a clear cut case. It wasn’t like Trayvon just walked up to him and started beating the shit out of him necessitating Zimmerman to pull out his gun and open fire. Trayvon did not initiate the situation, George did. Zimmerman was told to stay put and he didn’t.
Additionally, the perpetrator does NOT have to have the upper hand before you have the legal right to feel that your life is in danger. I have worked with a criminal defense attorney in the past and self defense cases are notoriously difficult for either side. Contrary to what is said by fightingirish, attorneys do NOT have an easy time turning this into homicide etc. He was quite off with his remarks.
[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:
[quote]1000rippedbuff wrote:
Take the George Zimmerman case, by all accounts it was a clean case of self defense, but he spent over a year of his life defending himself in the legal system. In his case he had no legal justification to pull out his gun until Trayvon was on top of him beating the snot out of him. In that sort of situation, the vast majority of people aren’t going to have the wherewithal to grab the gun and fire. And those are the same people who are going to avoid learning the rough aspect of martial arts. Think of the old lady in that situation with a gun. Would she fare any better.
Keep in mind that just showing a gun is illegal with out intent being in immanent danger. And most of the time immanent danger doesn’t happen until you are in exactly the same situation as zimmerman. People who are really out to do harm don’t let you know its going to happen until they have the upperhand and that is usually when you are injured.
lol. It was clear self defense, he only got charged because of political pressure.
And not to rain on your little imagination parade, but Travon initiated the confrontation. Zimmerman was headed back to his car. Travon circled around Zimmerman, and cut him off in order to “go teach this creepy cracker a lesson” in Travon’s own words.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:
[quote]1000rippedbuff wrote:
Take the George Zimmerman case, by all accounts it was a clean case of self defense, but he spent over a year of his life defending himself in the legal system. In his case he had no legal justification to pull out his gun until Trayvon was on top of him beating the snot out of him. In that sort of situation, the vast majority of people aren’t going to have the wherewithal to grab the gun and fire. And those are the same people who are going to avoid learning the rough aspect of martial arts. Think of the old lady in that situation with a gun. Would she fare any better.
Keep in mind that just showing a gun is illegal with out intent being in immanent danger. And most of the time immanent danger doesn’t happen until you are in exactly the same situation as zimmerman. People who are really out to do harm don’t let you know its going to happen until they have the upperhand and that is usually when you are injured.
lol. It was clear self defense, he only got charged because of political pressure.
And not to rain on your little imagination parade, but Travon initiated the confrontation. Zimmerman was headed back to his car. Travon circled around Zimmerman, and cut him off in order to “go teach this creepy cracker a lesson” in Travon’s own words. [/quote]
Well, not to get into the political side of it, which I believe was a clean case of self defense, but regardless, just put it into context that everything Zimmerman said was true. Up until he was on the ground getting pummeled, there was no legal reason to use the firearm, which is my whole point.
