[quote]corstijeir wrote:
Having seen some of it in person I’d say yes. Besides you can easily split that cost between a few people to have someone else do your programming that has clear results ( see the conjugate black team’s standings )[/quote]
Unless I am missing something, Crossfit Conjugate team is only 37th in the Central east, hardly noteworthy from a team perspective.
[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:
Colucci, I also have to chuckle at the “dropped out with a stress fracture at mile 30” combined with pulling 600 within a few days. Not only is he superhumanly fast and strong, but he heals like Wolverine![/quote]
Not weighing in on the claims as a whole, but this is believable. Stress fractures are usually not nearly as bad as to keep you away from heavy weights completely. Also, it’s pretty well known that a lot of the Eastern Bloc guys in Oly lifting from years past were catching weights on collarbones with repeated stress fractures. And other similar things. I haven’t hoisted world class weights but I’ve done the same thing, after a motorcycle wreck that left me with a stress fracture (fortunately not a true break). It can be done, and done repeatedly.
[quote]LiftingStrumpet wrote:
[quote]corstijeir wrote:
[quote]LiftingStrumpet wrote:
[quote]JTO3221 wrote:
was wanting a idea of how to incorporate westside while doing crossfit yes you read that right keep the sarcastic comments to your self probably the better question would be how to use west side for your olympic lifts with bands and chains i look at Crossfit as Gpp work like conditioning i just love the competition aspect of it maybe wods in A.M and speed work at night for my lifts? thanks for the serious answers ahead of time open to all advice[/quote]
This thread has taken an interesting turn. For the OP’s original question (are you still here, OP?), I highly recommend you check out the Outlaw Crossfit website and their Outlaw Way programming. They use conjugate methods with the Olympic lifts and provide WODs that compliment the daily lifting.
I think that’s about as close to your original question as you’re going to get.
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That or signing up on wodfollow so they could follow crossfit conjugate, the guys that you know started the whole conjugating crossfit training :P[/quote]
Interesting. I wasn’t familiar with them. Outlaw does have the advantage of providing their public programming for free. Is the Crossfit Conjugate programming good enough to justify the $45 month price?
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I frankly do not consider Outlaw Way that fucking impressive from a strength or olympic lifting perspective. I have no idea if Cx Conjugate is worth the money or not, though. I just know that looking at Outlaw’s programming does not give me the sense that they are actually that great at Oly lifting or strength. Neither do the results from the couple guys I know personally who are following their programming in hopes to improve Olympic competition numbers.
Of course I realize that Cx competitions have a lot more variability, and so since I don’t follow their Cx placements I have no idea how they are in their sport competitions. I do know, having watched some of them compete on the Oly platform, they just aren’t fucking all that great.
I would take their Oly programming with a grain of salt.
[quote]JTO3221 wrote:
was wanting a idea of how to incorporate westside while doing crossfit yes you read that right keep the sarcastic comments to your self probably the better question would be how to use west side for your olympic lifts with bands and chains i look at Crossfit as Gpp work like conditioning i just love the competition aspect of it maybe wods in A.M and speed work at night for my lifts? thanks for the serious answers ahead of time open to all advice[/quote]
The first thing you need to do is learn to use punctuation. That will solve all your powerlifting problems.
[quote]Ecchastang wrote:
[quote]corstijeir wrote:
Having seen some of it in person I’d say yes. Besides you can easily split that cost between a few people to have someone else do your programming that has clear results ( see the conjugate black team’s standings )[/quote]
Unless I am missing something, Crossfit Conjugate team is only 37th in the Central east, hardly noteworthy from a team perspective. [/quote]
They are also a relatively new team and have made tremendous progress. I’m not saying they are the greatest team or even that conjugate crossfit is the perfect method of crossfit programming.
However to the original question the best answer IMO is to see what Crossfit Conjugate is actually doing if the OP really wants to combine the two.
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
[quote]LiftingStrumpet wrote:
[quote]corstijeir wrote:
[quote]LiftingStrumpet wrote:
[quote]JTO3221 wrote:
was wanting a idea of how to incorporate westside while doing crossfit yes you read that right keep the sarcastic comments to your self probably the better question would be how to use west side for your olympic lifts with bands and chains i look at Crossfit as Gpp work like conditioning i just love the competition aspect of it maybe wods in A.M and speed work at night for my lifts? thanks for the serious answers ahead of time open to all advice[/quote]
This thread has taken an interesting turn. For the OP’s original question (are you still here, OP?), I highly recommend you check out the Outlaw Crossfit website and their Outlaw Way programming. They use conjugate methods with the Olympic lifts and provide WODs that compliment the daily lifting.
I think that’s about as close to your original question as you’re going to get.
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That or signing up on wodfollow so they could follow crossfit conjugate, the guys that you know started the whole conjugating crossfit training :P[/quote]
Interesting. I wasn’t familiar with them. Outlaw does have the advantage of providing their public programming for free. Is the Crossfit Conjugate programming good enough to justify the $45 month price?
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I frankly do not consider Outlaw Way that fucking impressive from a strength or olympic lifting perspective. I have no idea if Cx Conjugate is worth the money or not, though. I just know that looking at Outlaw’s programming does not give me the sense that they are actually that great at Oly lifting or strength. Neither do the results from the couple guys I know personally who are following their programming in hopes to improve Olympic competition numbers.
Of course I realize that Cx competitions have a lot more variability, and so since I don’t follow their Cx placements I have no idea how they are in their sport competitions. I do know, having watched some of them compete on the Oly platform, they just aren’t fucking all that great.
I would take their Oly programming with a grain of salt.[/quote]
OP asked for suggestions on incorporating Westside into Olympic lifting and Crossfit. Outlaw programming does that. I agree their athletes don’t do very well in pure Olympic meets, but they have some athletes who do pretty well in Crossfit. Elisabeth Akinwale and Daniel Tyminski are two Games athletes who come to mind.
[quote]LiftingStrumpet wrote:
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
[quote]LiftingStrumpet wrote:
[quote]corstijeir wrote:
[quote]LiftingStrumpet wrote:
[quote]JTO3221 wrote:
was wanting a idea of how to incorporate westside while doing crossfit yes you read that right keep the sarcastic comments to your self probably the better question would be how to use west side for your olympic lifts with bands and chains i look at Crossfit as Gpp work like conditioning i just love the competition aspect of it maybe wods in A.M and speed work at night for my lifts? thanks for the serious answers ahead of time open to all advice[/quote]
This thread has taken an interesting turn. For the OP’s original question (are you still here, OP?), I highly recommend you check out the Outlaw Crossfit website and their Outlaw Way programming. They use conjugate methods with the Olympic lifts and provide WODs that compliment the daily lifting.
I think that’s about as close to your original question as you’re going to get.
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That or signing up on wodfollow so they could follow crossfit conjugate, the guys that you know started the whole conjugating crossfit training :P[/quote]
Interesting. I wasn’t familiar with them. Outlaw does have the advantage of providing their public programming for free. Is the Crossfit Conjugate programming good enough to justify the $45 month price?
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I frankly do not consider Outlaw Way that fucking impressive from a strength or olympic lifting perspective. I have no idea if Cx Conjugate is worth the money or not, though. I just know that looking at Outlaw’s programming does not give me the sense that they are actually that great at Oly lifting or strength. Neither do the results from the couple guys I know personally who are following their programming in hopes to improve Olympic competition numbers.
Of course I realize that Cx competitions have a lot more variability, and so since I don’t follow their Cx placements I have no idea how they are in their sport competitions. I do know, having watched some of them compete on the Oly platform, they just aren’t fucking all that great.
I would take their Oly programming with a grain of salt.[/quote]
OP asked for suggestions on incorporating Westside into Olympic lifting and Crossfit. Outlaw programming does that. I agree their athletes don’t do very well in pure Olympic meets, but they have some athletes who do pretty well in Crossfit. Elisabeth Akinwale and Daniel Tyminski are two Games athletes who come to mind. [/quote]
I understand that, it was definitely an option for him and relevant to the thread. My comment was directed towards the OP rather than you in regards to his evaluation of their programming on that angle. I assume that since he is asking the question either a) his olympic lifting sucks in comparison to his WODs or b) his squat/DL strength sucks in comparison to his WODs. That’s why we were asking him for further information so that we could hone in on his problem area and goal better.
So from my perspective, if he is asking the question because either of those things suck in comparison to his WODs, then he needs to focus on strength training and not WODs and I think part of that is not worrying over much about blending the two training systems together to one cohesive whole.
It may sound odd to say that, but the fastest way to fix his problem is to focus on it exclusively, not try to keep progressing on his WODs. This is where I have a problem with Outlaw–their training does not sufficiently focus on the strength IMHO. In General. It is more of a true hybrid program and while that might reap results I believe they will be inferior results based on their athletes performances in strength competitions.
As an example of what I am talking about, say somebody comes to me with an extremely weak rotator cuff and scapular dysfunction (winging scapula for example). They complain of shoulder pain but want a training program to help them bench more. Now, the single most effective thing they can do is stop benching entirely for a short period of time (say 4-6 weeks) and focus all of their energy on fixing what’s wrong. This is what I would tell them. A hybrid program might allow them to continue training bench in some form but it will aggravate their weaknesses and slow the improvement process drastically.
With the OP’s question it is a similar situation. Naturally of course he doesn’t have to stop doing WODs entirely, as I assume he is healthy and in condition. However he is infinitely better off focusing not on a hybrid template for BOTH items in the short term, but on an exclusive strength training regimen. Crossfit athletes in general are prone to get too distracted by conditioning to the point it detracts from strength goals. This is the opposite problem of that which Powerlifters face where they tend to get tunnel vision on strength and lose site of conditioning and health/muscular balance.
This of course is a best guess, because he still has not gotten back to us on his lifts, his specific goals, and his specific weaknesses.
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
With the OP’s question it is a similar situation. Naturally of course he doesn’t have to stop doing WODs entirely, as I assume he is healthy and in condition. However he is infinitely better off focusing not on a hybrid template for BOTH items in the short term, but on an exclusive strength training regimen. Crossfit athletes in general are prone to get too distracted by conditioning to the point it detracts from strength goals. [/quote]
Agreed 100%
Chad Smith published an article detailing a “Westside inspired” template for xfit on the juggernaut site.
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
So from my perspective, if he is asking the question because either of those things suck in comparison to his WODs, then he needs to focus on strength training and not WODs and I think part of that is not worrying over much about blending the two training systems together to one cohesive whole.
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I see now where you’re coming from. It’s the dirty secret of Crossfit. Competitive Crossfitters don’t really train using Crossfit most of the year.
[quote]LiftingStrumpet wrote:
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
So from my perspective, if he is asking the question because either of those things suck in comparison to his WODs, then he needs to focus on strength training and not WODs and I think part of that is not worrying over much about blending the two training systems together to one cohesive whole.
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I see now where you’re coming from. It’s the dirty secret of Crossfit. Competitive Crossfitters don’t really train using Crossfit most of the year.[/quote]
Damn straight it is.