[quote]Hussayn wrote:
After reading everyone’s comments, i was aiming more to soontobeIFBB’s suggestion. I don’t know why i started the deca so late…
The cycle will look like this:
W1-12 700mg/week E3D Frontloaded
w1-10 400mg/ND Frontloaded
W1-4 40mg/day Bol
has anyone here ever front loaded before and felt it’s ‘theoritcal’ benefits? I read some say it’s effective, others say it’s ineffective…
Also, DH, why do you suggest short short yet multiple cycles rather than longer cycles?
Would it not be more effective to cycle longer due to the time it takes for test-e to take effect?
The reason i’m saying this is because i don’t like dbol’s bloat & deadly back pumps after a month. Even on dbol, i find it takes 1.5 weeks to feel its effects…[/quote]
Do youn not realise that the frontload is designed so that you dont have to wait 5-8 weeks to build levels by achieving them from day one? No?
[quote]The Phantom wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
What about frontloading the test and deca and start the dbol in week 3 or so? Why not have all three working together for as long as possible? That’s what I plan to do when/if I try test/deca/dbol
This has probably been discussed ad nauseum so forgive me if it has, but I wouldn’t frontload without concurrently running another compound to take care of the quick buildup of SHBG that will inevitably occur. Something like proviron or masteron would be my DOC.
Again, we need more feedback from those that have frontloaded.
I know Bill Roberts feels the fear of SHBG is hyped. According to him elevated SHBG has only a minute effect on free T. An effect that is rendered infinitesimal with on cycle test blood level.
I for one have had significantly elevated SHBG for at least 5 years off cycle and I have had low free T during that period as well. Bill says that the elevated SHBG is more a symptom of low free T than the other way around. Many disagree.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
This has probably been discussed ad nauseum so forgive me if it has, but I wouldn’t frontload without concurrently running another compound to take care of the quick buildup of SHBG that will inevitably occur. Something like proviron or masteron would be my DOC.[/quote]
Agreed totally. Any heavier bulking cycle I like to run proviron or masteron. Others disagree but I have always had good success with these compounds.
I don’t know if I had bum Proviron on my cycle, but I didn’t notice one iota of positive effect. Not even libido. Cycle was
W1-10 580mg test e/w (E3D)
w1-5 30mg dbol/d
w1-6 25mg Proviron/d
w7-10 50mg Proviron/d
w1-10 250 iu hCG/d
w1-10 Adex in doses varying from 0.25EOD to 0.5mg/d to treat a flare-up of sensitive nips.
I appreciate the feedback. I have heard such good things about Proviron but after my experience was ready to write it off. Now I will try another source in the future.
My proviron was ineffective as well. I only noticed that i looked slightly more vasular on my hands.
Since Cortes brought up the topic of SHBG, i’ve been reading that Winstrol does reduce SHBG levels. Is using winstrol as effective as proviron or masteron in combating SHBG?
Yes, but you are going to have to inject something that likely hurts like hell, or take an oral that is said to be pretty harsh on your liver. I like masteron instead, plus the hardness, vascularity, and strength that comes with it make it a wonderful drug. Pharm grade proviron does work well, too, but you don’t get any of the above benefits, really, and if I was going to spend that kind of money anyway, I would just spend a bit more for masteron.
I forgot to ask, should i run the masteron throughout the cycle or only in the begining?
As i understand, SHBG spikes will only occur in the begining of my cycle…
